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has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« on: August 04, 2022, 09:32:22 PM »
how do my PALS feel about the current state/ trend of skateboard filming aka, "stylistic camera operating choices and vision?" It seems that the most prominent trend in filming is 16:9 ultra crop... How do you feel about this? What era of skateboard videography do you enjoy the most, OR, do you think is the best?

What era of filming is best suited for modern day skateboarding?

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2022, 09:50:09 PM »
overrated but its type hard to not do the zoom shit while filming hd
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2022, 11:01:03 PM »
Personally I think yes but accept that it's down to different tastes. One thing tho is until maybe 2010 almost nobody had good cameras so those that did really put a lot of effort in to be good at filming. The world was also a lot harsher so some slightly dodgy filming was almost met with violence, these days everyone's nice.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 12:16:14 AM »
Videographers are avoiding death lens angles because skaters could potentially break their equipment. Fisheye lenses are also non-existent.
Therefore, the zoom in, pan down, film the board, miss the spot trend is in full effect.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2022, 12:59:44 AM »
In my opinion HD is just a lot less forgiving. I prefer the SD era over HD as long as you set your whitebalance correctly.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2022, 01:59:40 AM »


Anything else is too much fanfare 4 me no thnx

Great thread !

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2022, 02:44:29 AM »
I am totally biased since my most cherished time watching skate videos (before and after sessions as a kid) started around the time Mouse came out. So VX is the pinnacle of skateboarding videography for me, especially the era when filmers became really good at it. I filmed with a VX2000 myself for a few years, which connects me to the aesthetic even more.

That being said, I can appreciate HD, even more recent post-Strobeck footage, however I feel it is much harder to make all that zooming look good and most filmers fail miserably. So itís not so much the aesthetic that I reject, but all the shit footage that is being put in videos. Strobeck does it quite well, you still get a sense for the spot and style, which is completely lost in shaky zooms when people fuck it up.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2022, 03:32:57 AM »
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2022, 04:23:33 AM »
Maybe you are just getting old.

I'm about to be 25 and honestly my brain is fried from so many videos. I've seen way too many hpx face zoom in thumbnails of random teenagers recently that I just simply do not bother.

Honestly, my favorite clip of this year is the Kader one. Short and sweet, and very tasteful/powerful skateboarding. No filler. Just barn burners.

The best era will always be the shit you grew up on.



Anything else is too much fanfare 4 me no thnx
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2022, 05:08:57 AM »
overrated but its type hard to not do the zoom shit while filming hd


That's complete bullshit. There are plenty of people who can and do completely fine. If you can't handle proper framing then you have no business operating a camera, much less professionally. That's literally film making 101.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2022, 05:30:14 AM »
I'm not a fan of the zoom in on the face, zoom out, zoom in realllllly tight on the board, zoom back out shit.
Strobek shit makes me feel sea sick, and also I'm not dying to watch artsy, slow motion shots of shirtless 15 year old boys smoking joints.
I don't like stairs and gaps being filmed from the middle, cam has to do a 30mph pan and lose all perspective on size of the gap.
I don't like it when they film from wayyyy too close. That dude Chase from Berrics films everything so low and close it's like you might as well just set the camera on the ground facing up and tell everyone to do their tricks directly over it.

Everything else is cool. Love VX, but I don't mind HD at all.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2022, 05:31:44 AM »
If you cant see the whole spot and skater it's filmed bad.
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 06:09:01 AM »
Its the watering down of skateboarding.   Everyone has a camera in their pocket.   Social media has people thinking their tricks warrant filming.   Everyone with camera in their pocket presents this perception that its ok to film terrible tricks and film them terribly.


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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2022, 08:49:30 AM »
With some of these videos lately Id be much happier with a stationary shot on a tripod. You get no feeling for how big, small, crusty, smooth etc with all these tight crops the only way to know is if you're already familiar with the spot.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2022, 09:07:57 AM »
I don't know if you could call it "worse", but it's definitely changed.

My favorite era would be 2004 - 2011 VX footy.  I guess I feel like videos were just filmed with a smoother style more simple camera movements back then. 
Examples like Bag of Suck, Jason Hernandez or Jon Miner videos.

I feel like VX footy in 2020's is just all death lens stuffed into the sneaker. 
It used to be an unwritten law to never cut a skaters head in a line and it seems like the VX was held higher up and less upward tilt/more level with the ground.

Idk, I guess I'm becoming a sucker for nostalgia.

I don't have anything against HD footy, but everything is just trying to fit the Strobeck aesthetic now. 
For HD stuff, I think HVX footage looks the best, and filming styles like Chris Theisen's Perpetual Motion video or the Alien Workshop Life Splicing stuff.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2022, 09:23:10 AM »
Yes. It should be more like that Fred Gall part that just came out. It was beautiful. Mariaís part was filmed pretty decent as well I thought. Seems like too many people try to overdo the artsy stuff and it just takes away the focus from the actual skating.


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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2022, 09:27:26 AM »
strobecc effect is massive and cus of that half of the tricks i see are out of frame and also almost everything is shot longlense  which gets dull as fuck quick man
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2022, 09:28:44 AM »
Yes
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2022, 09:54:57 AM »
Filming is a lot better since the fish eye days for sure

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2022, 10:08:25 AM »


Anything else is too much fanfare 4 me no thnx

Great thread !

Me and the boys setting up to film a session.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2022, 10:31:43 AM »
I like modern filming.  It looks sick but has downsides.  Things can get so zoomed in it makes me nauseous to watch on my TV and begs to be watched on a phone or tablet.  Itís hard to appreciate the era youíre currently in because youíre living it but I think these videos will have a style to them in the future we can appreciate.

I personally miss more lightweight cameras that moved.  Everyoneís filming with that giant cinderblock camera so fisheye is planted most of the time.  I miss the sense of movement smaller cameras like VX and DSLRs/mirrorless provide.  Filmers were active which was fun on the sesh.  rolling long lens and lines were more common.  I just love the way skateboards move through space doing lines and cruising.  Itís much more stunt and gimmick oriented now.  HD 4:3 was fun. 

The zoom in with a camcorder style now is throwback and letís the filmer get a lot more clips when things get hectic.  Youíre not setting up tripods and getting angles which really places you in the action and helps when busts are a factor.  Skaters are freed up and 1 filmer can get multiple dudes and b roll very easy.  They can walk around to get other angles.  Theyíre in the moment.  Itís a welcome change.

VX it was hard to see because it was blurry and 480i.  A lot of guys stood out by their style and spot selection.  Videos kinda started looking the same with VX with the warm tones but it got better as time went on.  My main complaint is that videos look so much the same now.  The art direction is gone.  Itís much more about fashion.  What are you wearing in the clips and what tricks are you doing.  Zooming in on little logo hits and footwear to show off product.  I get it, sell stuff, but I miss the focus being more on the skating. 

You just donít see stuff like pyramid country, magenta, bronze, workshop videos anymore.  Thereís a lot less creativity in the editing.  Videos blur together and give you this ďeveryone rips all over the worldĒ feel.  Iíd like to see more art direction to help videos stand out.  Editing is easy and cheap these days and there are tons of crazy assets and artists out there to work with.  I donít get it.  Sure letís dump all the footage with clean colors in a 15 minute part to some trendy music and no art like we did last time.  Even the WKND skits were a nice mixup for me.  Anything to break up the generic formula.  Bag of suck, yeah right, zero videos, mind field, really sorry they all looked and felt so different from each other.  Even something like frog gets me hyped because at least itís different.

Iím glad we moved away from the Ty evans approach.  Itís just not fun to go skate with a filmer setting up perfect angles and roll up clips and getting b roll like that.  We donít need all that camera gear and kick outs HURT when youíve spent that time to set up.  It would be cool to see some more vintage camera stuff going on but that got so played out.  Also to note is the end of 16mm and 8mm b roll which also got super fucking played out. 

More videos like that huf tour video please.
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2022, 10:36:25 AM »
Most VX filmers and editors are absolutely ass nowadays but I think people overlook it for nostalgiaís sake

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2022, 11:10:22 AM »
no, there are just a lot more bad filmers these days
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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2022, 11:19:09 AM »
I tried to remain neutral and just accept that the trends changed and people just like different things now but just watched a random vid and couldn't believe it. https://youtu.be/oxNayz4ANt4
Anyone who says filming is in anyway better than it was the generation before has to just be lying. Even as shitty as the people I knew were at skating if you filmed someone's manual this bad you were getting made fun of. Certainly weren't posting it for everyone to see like it was something good.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2022, 11:22:56 AM »
The standards for filming is so low nowadays. Alot of the newer filmers only make it in the industry because they are fortunate enough to own a Xtreme lense and have a lot of free time to pursue it.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2022, 11:57:50 AM »
Sk9 filming has drastically improved.   Drone cameras.  Remember the running suit camera?  Yeah.  That might have been a lil too spensive to sustain much of a skateboard companies budget.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2022, 12:41:50 PM »
I donĎt know what you are talking about. There are still a lot of great Filmers. The primitive videos are always filmed well and they are in hd. The Plan B video was filmed well, too. The last Patrick wallner helas Clip was filmed and edited real well. Taste and technique is more important as ever, even though technology has vastly improved and made it easier to produce moving images in high quality. Ty Evans uses all the latest technology, but his clips still feel just about as fresh as a can of warm Mountain Dew.

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2022, 02:06:44 PM »
my impression of strobeck's style is that he's saying the skating is garbage and not worth capturing

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Re: has sk8 board filming gotten WORSE!?
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2022, 02:07:41 PM »
Anyone inspired by Fat Bill sucks at filming. Otherwise thereís still good homies documenting out there
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2022, 02:37:00 PM »
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overrated but its type hard to not do the zoom shit while filming hd
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That's complete bullshit. There are plenty of people who can and do completely fine. If you can't handle proper framing then you have no business operating a camera, much less professionally. That's literally film making 101.


sometimes depending on the trick, spot and environment a clip can feel boring without the zoom. plus i always ask whoever im filming how they want it to look and most would prefer the cropped look. i definitely dig proper framing though as i get older
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