I feel that Vans puts way less effort into their skate line than people think. Other than the Crockett High, which is a cupsole chuck taylor with vans accents, and finally making a skate line that wasn't crap most of their shoes are basically the same model with a few twists. They put way more effort into the holographic checkerboard slip ons or baby shoes that look like sharks.
Vans doesn't seem like a company that values rider input beyond a few silhouette options. Not like you see from NB where riders tune midsoles, insoles, materials, etc. They don't have the history but have an interest in making continually better products.
Also has anyone ever bought skate stuff at a Vans store? In HS you could pay the dude there $20 and he would drop you off a deck in the trash bin out back cuz they just never kept inventory.