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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #90 on: September 23, 2022, 05:24:25 AM »
I feel like they should at least keep the forged mids. Gives lower truck guys an Indy option that isn't heavier than the standards and is more than 1.5mm difference in height from the std forges.
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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #91 on: September 23, 2022, 08:32:47 AM »
I’m jumping on these just for fun, they were on sale here too….the Ace lo’s weight didn’t bug me too bad and actually the inverted kingpin has grown on me.  I have krux that I could drop in too. 

Maybe the insane demand lead to companies trying new things and now they’re dialling back seeing what worked.

Worst case scenario I just set them up with an old deck and sell it.   

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #92 on: September 23, 2022, 08:48:15 AM »
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I have a set of 144 standards that are pretty ground down and I was thinking of getting a set of mids to replace them. I've been preferring more of a mid truck height (thunder / Ace height) lately and it seems like Indy mids are on sale everywhere. The only thing holding me back are the various kingpin and baseplate issues I've seen here. How have these lasted for people that skate them? Are they on sale for a reason? I was thinking of just going with forged hollows but they're like double the price lol.
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The small vocal community [on slap] certainly isn't the reason they're on sale; if I had to guess, they're just a niche segment in the truck market and I don't think the IKP sways a lot of 'indy' people...a 'mid' without the IKP would probably sell better (looking at you royal standard/ultra/ACE/Thunder)...and with indy, you already have so many plate/material options with 55mm and 53.5mm height trucks...do you really need a 52mm option?


Plus out of the gate they got bagged on for the heavyweight design of adding more meat to the hanger to maintain IKP clearance...weird design choice...standard [cast] indy mids are heavier than standard indys...,the reynolds hollows come closer to regs indy and the forged hollows mids come pretty close to the regular forged hollows.

A few folks have had the kingpin loosen over time (I have not, on any truck with the IKP...), and ever fewer have reported the shaft nut loosening in the plate issue (I'd argue ACE sees more loose pins by comparison), but that might be relative to the amount of people skating them? I usually see the Tiagos on sale, never the reynolds (hollows).

Personally, the 50.5mm forged hollow mid is where it's at...zero complaints and they've become my [current] favorite truck.

Mids were cool and had their advantages for sure. I just preferred the pop feel of the Forged Hollows over them. I had the shaft nut and loosening issue and never rode my replacements.

As for being on sale: I asked 2 shops local to me why they don't stock Mids and they both said that they had an initial run that didn't sell well. I am guessing that most people that want Indys don't want what they perceive is a low truck (even tho it isn't), don't care about IKP, and probably don't even know that forged trucks are lower when they buy them. When they find out they're not lighter they probably just buy what they're used to. Outside of Slap your average skater is quite clueless about gear details a lot of times. I had a dude tell me Thunders were low and he was on Ace's that were 1mm higher. A dude I see at the skatepark has 1 cast hollow Indy and 1 regular. Shit like that.

So definitely a good truck and fun to ride. I didn't think their pop feel was that great for the decks that I was on and I don't need an IKP. If you don't like them, get a cheap pair of closeout or used Indy standards and swap the hanger onto the plates.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2022, 09:14:17 AM »
I’m jumping on these just for fun, they were on sale here too….the Ace lo’s weight didn’t bug me too bad and actually the inverted kingpin has grown on me.  I have krux that I could drop in too. 

Maybe the insane demand lead to companies trying new things and now they’re dialling back seeing what worked.

Worst case scenario I just set them up with an old deck and sell it.   


Is it the og krux pin? I'm still trying to track down the thread on slap that show how they correct the top washer fit with bushings as it doesn't actually fit inside the top bushing they way you'd think it does; you'd need a bigger hole in the top part of the bushing.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2022, 02:17:15 PM »
I don't think they have any intent of getting rid of the mids especially with Reynolds and Tiago having pro model mids. Probably just going to adjust production appropriately. The forged mids probably have the best kingpin clearance of any truck of that height.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #95 on: September 23, 2022, 03:11:51 PM »
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I’m jumping on these just for fun, they were on sale here too….the Ace lo’s weight didn’t bug me too bad and actually the inverted kingpin has grown on me.  I have krux that I could drop in too. 

Maybe the insane demand lead to companies trying new things and now they’re dialling back seeing what worked.

Worst case scenario I just set them up with an old deck and sell it.   

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Is it the og krux pin? I'm still trying to track down the thread on slap that show how they correct the top washer fit with bushings as it doesn't actually fit inside the top bushing they way you'd think it does; you'd need a bigger hole in the top part of the bushing.

Yah I think so.  I put them in everything about 5 years ago, my aces, thunders…..I found it worked ok.  I’m not really holding my breath on perfection because it sounds like some people are having issues.  I thought about revisiting thunders and putting in risers too….

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #96 on: September 23, 2022, 04:34:53 PM »
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I’m jumping on these just for fun, they were on sale here too….the Ace lo’s weight didn’t bug me too bad and actually the inverted kingpin has grown on me.  I have krux that I could drop in too. 

Maybe the insane demand lead to companies trying new things and now they’re dialling back seeing what worked.

Worst case scenario I just set them up with an old deck and sell it.   

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Is it the og krux pin? I'm still trying to track down the thread on slap that show how they correct the top washer fit with bushings as it doesn't actually fit inside the top bushing they way you'd think it does; you'd need a bigger hole in the top part of the bushing.
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Yah I think so.  I put them in everything about 5 years ago, my aces, thunders…..I found it worked ok.  I’m not really holding my breath on perfection because it sounds like some people are having issues.  I thought about revisiting thunders and putting in risers too….

It will still work, but if it was actually inside the top bushing you'd gain so much more clearance.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #97 on: September 23, 2022, 06:01:09 PM »
Do you guys think Tiago or Reynolds actually skate the mids despite having pro model mids? I’m not aware of any Indy team riders that ride mids honestly

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #98 on: September 23, 2022, 06:45:32 PM »
I mean if you follow them on IG you can frequently see their boards. Reynolds posts his in his story all the time and you can see the IKP and fatty hangers. Tiago same story. Carlos Ribeiro skates them and there's a dude on Creature that does. I'm sure if we see gold truck footy we will know for sure.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2022, 08:39:28 PM »
I suspect they are blowing out trucks the same way they are blowing out everything in skating….over supply. 

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #100 on: September 23, 2022, 09:11:50 PM »
Flex the truck super hard so the wheel touches the deck and see if the bushings are spilling over. I had a few sets of aftermarket Indy bushings where the bottom washer was kinda small and this happened as did a friend. The top washer was also kinda sharp.

Grip(tape) the inside of the washer.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #101 on: September 24, 2022, 07:45:54 AM »
That won't help the sharp top as the metal is just super thin too. The bottom washer is physically too small. When you put the bushing in it is already touching the angled part. I dunno why they even give you washers.

Another weird thing I noticed on my last sets of Indy bushings was that the blues don't feel harder than the orange anymore.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #102 on: September 24, 2022, 03:10:50 PM »
I am going to make a bold/controversial statement.

People have been doing sick Smiths, Feebles, Hurricanes, etc. on curbs, ledges, rails, and vert for decades at this point...all  without IKPs, and as such, IKPs are little more than unnecessary gimmick. Go a tad faster. Adjust your technique. Maybe add a smidge of wax, because 30+ years of skate history demonstrably shows that standard kingpins are not a real problem (and yes, I've skated IKPs--I actually had a set Indy forged plate IKPs in the prototype stage...and quickly went back to regular forged plates).   
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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #103 on: September 24, 2022, 04:11:50 PM »
I respect that view and mostly agree, but when the truck is axled you can still get 2 types of tools onto an IKP. Nothing is worse than having a truck near end of life chew a bushing and it's gnarly to get a rounded nut off.

I had an issue with my early mid IKP but the replacement plates had no issue. If it could be done right then cool, but yeah- definitely not a must have feature.

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #104 on: September 24, 2022, 05:23:20 PM »
I always thought IKP's were big in the pool rider scene, was kinda surprised their foray into it was on a mid. At least they sell just the plates on their own, which makes sense for a dude who likes his hanger grooves and doesn't feel like shelling out for entire new trucks

If they do these stage 4 reissues with hollow axles that'd be sweet to put on the IKP baseplate

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Re: The Indy Thread
« Reply #105 on: September 24, 2022, 05:32:12 PM »
I always thought IKP's were big in the pool rider scene, was kinda surprised their foray into it was on a mid. At least they sell just the plates on their own, which makes sense for a dude who likes his hanger grooves and doesn't feel like shelling out for entire new trucks

If they do these stage 4 reissues with hollow axles that'd be sweet to put on the IKP baseplate

Chances are that stage IV geo may be incompatible with other plates...that said, the way that stage XI hangers sit on the mid plates they might be a fit...stage 4 hangers on that forged mid plate....