Well I read in an interview in the now gone Color magazine with Omar (from foundation, started Doomsayers) that the 1st time he surfed was on a shortboard at Pipe on a day big enough for the pros to be out. He got tons of rides apparently. Pretty wild. Anyway i took the opportunity from looking at the title you can go about your bizness. (edit oh wait this is political. The only political statement I'm allowing myself to go at will be please lets not push any nuclear wars please and thanks!!!!