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Rules for fixing/altering spots
« on: November 23, 2022, 08:03:04 PM »
I wanted to use the collective mind of slap to figure out the standards for how much a spot can be manipulated in a pro part.

I prefer to see footage with almost no evidence of spot manipulation, but I realize this is idealistic and most spots need to be fixed to some extent. A moderate amount of bondo is standard and building fake features (especially when they aren't clearly DIYs) seems largely looked down upon. I personally hate seeing footage with big pieces of plywood used for drop ins and landings, but lots of pros do it. Drop in ramps seem clearly off limits, but somehow Wallenburg got a pass on that because Thrasher decided it was ok.

Thoughts? I assume this has been discussed at some point, but I couldn't find the thread.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2022, 08:10:15 PM »

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2022, 08:17:41 PM »
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2022, 08:23:10 PM »
https://youtu.be/edCqF_NtpOQ

Is that the voice Steve Berra heard when he built his ledges?

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2022, 08:24:30 PM »
Do as little as possible to get the trick. I agree on the plywood but sometimes you just gotta do it. People have hit clipper without plywood so when I see plywood there is a difference.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2022, 08:28:43 PM »
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Is that the voice Steve Berra heard when he built his ledges?
Lol that is the problem with that whole point of view. If you go to the limit you end up having to excuse, or maybe even respect berras spot making at least from a quality of product point of view.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2022, 08:49:46 PM »
Iím glad the trend of landing handrail tricks on plywood is over. Always ruined the trick.

If you can see the spot manipulation it ruins the clip.


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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2022, 09:09:31 PM »
Iím glad the trend of landing handrail tricks on plywood is over. Always ruined the trick.

If you can see the spot manipulation it ruins the clip.

So it's ok if you can't see it?

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2022, 09:12:28 PM »
Greco used to drive around with a stair rail in his car. I forgot what video he used it in around 2010 before or after

Heard many other stories of getting a spot perfect before doing some epic shit

The Wizard was exposed from behind the curtain a long time ago. Enjoy the ride

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2022, 09:18:14 PM »
Using concrete to create a small transition on a very steep bank in the street can be questionable. I can't think of any specific examples right now

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2022, 09:34:00 PM »
Greco used to drive around with a stair rail in his car. I forgot what video he used it in around 2010 before or after

Heard many other stories of getting a spot perfect before doing some epic shit

The Wizard was exposed from behind the curtain a long time ago. Enjoy the ride

Was it his ender rail in the Deathwish video (switch dark slide?) it always looked like a fake rail to me, still love this part


http://youtu.be/eZGFLzmeq0w

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2022, 09:38:36 PM »
Plywood is visually offensive but only when landing on it.

A plywood roll-in is fine.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2022, 10:14:56 PM »
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Iím glad the trend of landing handrail tricks on plywood is over. Always ruined the trick.

If you can see the spot manipulation it ruins the clip.
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So it's ok if you can't see it?

Iíll give you an example. In lower Manhattan there is/was a cobblestone quarter pipe planter. When I watched tricks go down there I wondered how anyone could skate it. When I saw it in person there was thin set applied between the cobblestones to make it more skate-able. You donít notice on video but this fix allows for better tricks to go down. Make sense?

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2022, 10:16:42 PM »

Plywood is visually offensive but only when landing on it.

A plywood roll-in is fine.
Chris Dobstaff used a 4x6 sheet of plywood to make a gap after a kinked hubba in Subject To Change. It made the clip that much better
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2022, 10:40:12 PM »
What if someone has already altered it?  Take a sledge hammer to it to make it right? 

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2022, 10:45:45 PM »
there are no rules in skateboarding. just to not be a poser. ive learned that on tiktok.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2022, 11:19:49 PM »
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Greco used to drive around with a stair rail in his car. I forgot what video he used it in around 2010 before or after

Heard many other stories of getting a spot perfect before doing some epic shit

The Wizard was exposed from behind the curtain a long time ago. Enjoy the ride
[close]

Was it his ender rail in the Deathwish video (switch dark slide?) it always looked like a fake rail to me, still love this part


http://youtu.be/eZGFLzmeq0w
Grecos baker 3 part also features many of berras spots. People gave suciu shit for his mini rails but at least I don't think he made them himself. Mariano also had a few suspiciously small spots. Pause as he pops his switch 3 flip nosegrind in pretty sweet it looks like a tech deck spot. (still it's a switch 3 flip nosegrind so can't complain too much)

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2022, 12:49:35 AM »
Drop in ramps seem clearly off limits, but somehow Wallenburg got a pass on that because Thrasher decided it was ok.

Thoughts? I assume this has been discussed at some point, but I couldn't find the thread.

Didn't the school ppl mod Wallenburg first by installing the disabled ramp in the upper run up?
I'd liken the Wallenburg drop in ramp to cutting the chain(s) of a rail. These mods get a pass cause they already been skated prior, so why let some some dumb lil deterrent or schoolyard renovations stop progression?

Sawcon rails definitely dungeon tier

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2022, 08:01:07 AM »
idk for me its always "the more spots the better" so i say build ramps right up onto handrails like tyrone olson
i think you need to be open to criticisms but no one else did those t bone olson rails since... i thought they made for some cool clips in his part too some of the most talked about shit from that video
its obviously not as cool as doing it without the alteration. but think about it for a second. most of those cali spots you see on videos are absolutely perfect and are better than skatepark obstacles we have in canada / east coast. so when you see a trick out there vs. one done out here it should mean something to you. they even alter those a fuck ton , they bondo every single crack etc. so its absolutely perfect. the more i got into snowskating, the more i realized how important spot preparation is even on skateboard.
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2022, 08:14:38 AM »
i used to adhere to the golf rule of "play it as it lies", but life is short.  keep it subtle so you don't ruin the spot or make it a bust, otherwise go to town
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2022, 10:25:42 AM »
I really donít care. You could give me all the bondo and plywood help in the world I still wouldnít be able to do any of this. Roll I scare fine too- the trick isnít ability to push quickly.

The only thing I have a problem with is Berra trying to hide what he was doing. If you make it obvious to think itís fine

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2022, 01:19:57 PM »
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2022, 02:04:42 PM »
Are you not allowed to bondo cracks? Some cracks are just insurmountable, if it bothers you that much then buy a chisel, never heard of that and I grew up skating crust

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2022, 02:26:32 PM »
Itís like the Supreme Court said about pornography, you know it when you see it.

But, the greatest thing about skateboarding is that there are no rules, nothing is off limits, itís just you on your board having fun letting everything else slip away and you are there in that exact moment and every split second counts.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2022, 03:33:37 PM »
I found out that them there half pipes weren't already just there, and someone had to build those sonofaguns and I don't like it. Not one bit

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2022, 03:41:27 AM »
i used to adhere to the golf rule of "play it as it lies", but life is short.  keep it subtle so you don't ruin the spot or make it a bust, otherwise go to town

by this logic, then you cant even wax a ledge. i think rub brick, cement, bondo, wood, all that is fair game. people in LA build ramps right up onto the ledge and it gets a pass for fucks sakes. the line is drawn when you are faking tricks by hiding ramps etc.

even steve berras stuff is fine tbh its just a movie set skatepark. what is the difference of paying off a security guard at a spot so you can skate some perfect ass rail? ronnie creager basically did the exact same thing in menikmati and he gets a pass. daewons deca parts were all just in parking garages with benches he clearly brought there and they were amazing. its all about what you do with the spot, otherwise its hard for people to care about it. no one cared about steves tricks cause they were so standard. its like , you had the chance to skate there all day all night but that was all you could get as a professional? that doesnt seem very professional to me compared to daewon or ron. you can tell they logged ridiculous hours at those spots.
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2022, 04:09:31 AM »
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i used to adhere to the golf rule of "play it as it lies", but life is short.  keep it subtle so you don't ruin the spot or make it a bust, otherwise go to town
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by this logic, then you cant even wax a ledge. i think rub brick, cement, bondo, wood, all that is fair game. people in LA build ramps right up onto the ledge and it gets a pass for fucks sakes. the line is drawn when you are faking tricks by hiding ramps etc.

even steve berras stuff is fine tbh its just a movie set skatepark. what is the difference of paying off a security guard at a spot so you can skate some perfect ass rail? ronnie creager basically did the exact same thing in menikmati and he gets a pass. daewons deca parts were all just in parking garages with benches he clearly brought there and they were amazing. its all about what you do with the spot, otherwise its hard for people to care about it. no one cared about steves tricks cause they were so standard. its like , you had the chance to skate there all day all night but that was all you could get as a professional? that doesnt seem very professional to me compared to daewon or ron. you can tell they logged ridiculous hours at those spots.
The Steve s.m thing comes up so often this is a decent enough take on it. Another example would be MJ yeah right and that's my all time fav part so yeah it's not fair. I think with so much time passed now it's best just to think of berras part as an experiment where we found the line of what's less accepted. Guy, jeron, Greco, Koston all also skated so.ilar or the same spots around the same time and copped it less.

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2022, 06:38:45 AM »
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Greco used to drive around with a stair rail in his car. I forgot what video he used it in around 2010 before or after

Heard many other stories of getting a spot perfect before doing some epic shit

The Wizard was exposed from behind the curtain a long time ago. Enjoy the ride
[close]

Was it his ender rail in the Deathwish video (switch dark slide?) it always looked like a fake rail to me, still love this part


http://youtu.be/eZGFLzmeq0w
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Grecos baker 3 part also features many of berras spots. People gave suciu shit for his mini rails but at least I don't think he made them himself. Mariano also had a few suspiciously small spots. Pause as he pops his switch 3 flip nosegrind in pretty sweet it looks like a tech deck spot. (still it's a switch 3 flip nosegrind so can't complain too much)

I've always though about this, that spot looks suspiciusly too perfect and haven't seen it on any other video (as far I remember), but also isnt the only rail on the spot, I dont picture them placing 3 more rail just to make it more believable... but maybe they could

On this topic, I have the same feeling with a square rail Koston skates in FF right before the ender (sw back overcrook, nollie fs 180 to sw feeble back to regs... ), in this case it looks like the a "fake spot" cause it has two original round rails on the sides and they placed the square one right in the middle of the spot.
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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2022, 08:14:00 AM »
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Greco used to drive around with a stair rail in his car. I forgot what video he used it in around 2010 before or after

Heard many other stories of getting a spot perfect before doing some epic shit

The Wizard was exposed from behind the curtain a long time ago. Enjoy the ride
[close]

Was it his ender rail in the Deathwish video (switch dark slide?) it always looked like a fake rail to me, still love this part


http://youtu.be/eZGFLzmeq0w
[close]
Grecos baker 3 part also features many of berras spots. People gave suciu shit for his mini rails but at least I don't think he made them himself. Mariano also had a few suspiciously small spots. Pause as he pops his switch 3 flip nosegrind in pretty sweet it looks like a tech deck spot. (still it's a switch 3 flip nosegrind so can't complain too much)
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I've always though about this, that spot looks suspiciusly too perfect and haven't seen it on any other video (as far I remember), but also isnt the only rail on the spot, I dont picture them placing 3 more rail just to make it more believable... but maybe they could

On this topic, I have the same feeling with a square rail Koston skates in FF right before the ender (sw back overcrook, nollie fs 180 to sw feeble back to regs... ), in this case it looks like the a "fake spot" cause it has two original round rails on the sides and they placed the square one right in the middle of the spot.
Yeah I also think that was a specially made rail. From memory it maybe had a base you could see was bolted down. I think the only other trick on it was Mikey Taylor who at that time was another Berrics regular

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Re: Rules for fixing/altering spots
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2022, 08:15:37 AM »
Someone bondoíd an entire runway up to that Manhattan ollie over top handrail spot. Iíd really like to know who did it. Itís a fucking hilarious amount of bondo.