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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist

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Mm I remember it being a plot point in the show Silicon Valley which was based on actual events that are currently a minor sticking point in sino/American relations.   Uber I remember being one app specifically that was worried about China stealing their shit while deadlocking them from opening up in their country. 

Apparently it’s not apps, but straight up stealing American patents to create the same product with slightly altered logos to create market confusion.

Amazon is currently flooded with this shit and is half way to wish.com in a lotta ways.

[Atiba Applebum]

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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I don’t think there’s anything of worth to copy from US applications unless you’re a shitty Silicon Valley venture capitalist

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Mm I remember it being a plot point in the show Silicon Valley which was based on actual events that are currently a minor sticking point in sino/American relations.   Uber I remember being one app specifically that was worried about China stealing their shit while deadlocking them from opening up in their country. 

Apparently it’s not apps, but straight up stealing American patents to create the same product with slightly altered logos to create market confusion.

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Amazon is currently flooded with this shit and is half way to wish.com in a lotta ways.

Apparently it’s also state sponsored hackers stealing things engineering plans and jet specs so they can close the gap a lot quicker

[ChuckRamone]

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

[SneakySecrets]

So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

[Atiba Applebum]

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

Is TikTok that different from Vine?   There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though.  IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.   

[ChuckRamone]

So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

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Is TikTok that different from Vine?   There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though.  IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.

Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.

You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.

[manysnakes]

You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

[ChuckRamone]

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

It's kind of astounding how Americans have repeatedly been lied to to manufacture consent for wars. They realize it after the fact, such as the invasion of Iraq, then completely forget it happened, or they think "THIS TIME they're telling us the truth."

[Atiba Applebum]

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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

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Is TikTok that different from Vine?   There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though.  IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.

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Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.

You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.

I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said.   Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China?   If so, please let me know the outlet.  From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.

Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?   

Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?

Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs. 

I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman.   I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.

[Atiba Applebum]

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

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It's kind of astounding how Americans have repeatedly been lied to to manufacture consent for wars. They realize it after the fact, such as the invasion of Iraq, then completely forget it happened, or they think "THIS TIME they're telling us the truth."

Americans weren’t monolithically in favor of invading Iraq.   Many many of us hated it and protested against it, but shockingly weren’t heeded by the  hawkish neocons running the government

[ChuckRamone]

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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

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Is TikTok that different from Vine?   There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though.  IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.

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Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.

You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.

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I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said.   Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China?   If so, please let me know the outlet.  From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.

Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?   

Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?

Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs. 

I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman.   I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.

Everything you think you know about China is heavily spun propaganda, including all the points in your post. For instance China is not "flooding" America with fent. Illegal manufacturers of fent get some of the ingredients for it from China but China can't control what those people do with those chemicals and is not directly exporting fent to the US.

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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

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Is TikTok that different from Vine?   There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though.  IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.

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Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.

You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.

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I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said.   Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China?   If so, please let me know the outlet.  From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.

Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?   

Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?

Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs. 

I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman.   I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.

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Everything you think you know about China is heavily spun propaganda, including all the points in your post.

So the Chinese government are blameless actors in all aspects of domestic and international affairs and don’t deserve any scrutiny?  You don’t think that take is heavily spun propaganda from the Chinese government?

[Lou Strux]

So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

Yo… I don’t wanna derail all this important political debate, but how about you link us to your OnlyFans profile so I can get at them nudes too.
Totally willing to pay, (unlike that Xi guy over in China.)
🤣🤣🤣

[SneakySecrets]

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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

But what’s your point?  That we should give em a freebie on this one for old time’s sake? 

I feel deeply for every historical wrong ever done to them but we’re talking about a predatory cell phone app in 2023, so I’m not sure how applicable any of that is.

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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

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But what’s your point?  That we should give em a freebie on this one for old time’s sake? 

I feel deeply for every historical wrong ever done to them but we’re talking about a predatory cell phone app in 2023, so I’m not sure how applicable any of that is.

My TikTok feed is food, travel stuff, music, some skating and animal rescues. I've never seen anything predatory or propagandistic. The algorithm feeds you stuff based on your preferences like any other SM app does. If you mean that it's addictive, that's true. But that's not what the US government is attacking TikTok for. And what do people think the Chinese government is going to do with this that's any different from what the US government does with app data? I don't like anyone having my data but they do and I don't trust the US government any more than I do the Chinese government.

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So some Chinese people taught a British guy about tea 200 years ago and now Xi Jinping gets access to all my data and nudes?

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Yes, because that's exactly what I said. The point I'm making is the West including the USA plundered and destroyed China, so it's been developing itself to get out of that state of destruction. China and India were the wealthiest civilizations in the world befor the West came in and pillaged them. And developing countries always copy to industrialize, even Japan did (the US constantly complained about the Japanese stealing US technology from the 60s to 80s).

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The ironing of the US trying to ban a Chinese app is just too delicious

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Why?   Isn’t the deal with the Chinese that they allow US apps for as long as it takes them to make counterfeit versions and then ban the US ones?

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Right now everyone is ripping off TikTok with IG reels, YT shorts, etc. Besides, it's the West that started IP theft in the first place ripping off papermaking, gunpowder, printing, and the compass, and even ripped off China's whole tea making trade secrets and transported them to India to create its own tea industry. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-british-tea-heist-9866709/

Not to mention crippled China for its "100 years of humiliation" with the Opium Wars and colonization which China has just started fully recovering from in the past few decades. Even Americans such as the Russell family were involved in that and they used the money to fund Ivy League schools.

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Is TikTok that different from Vine?   There isn’t some proprietary data that it invented to created little vids, so I ’s not IP theft, though.  IP theft is state sponsored hackers stealing plans to jets and other patented ideas in order to advance the gap China wants to overcome, which I’m not sure is justified to do to the US based off shit the British Empire did 200 years ago.

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Did you read this part? The US was involved in the opium trade in China too.

You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

The US really needs to focus on fixing up its own fucked up country and stop meddling in others' affairs.

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I really don’t see how you’re addressing anything I said.   Yes, I get my news from the West…am I supposed to get my news from China?   If so, please let me know the outlet.  From what I’ve gathered, news and the internet is heavily regulated by the government, so I don’t see how I’d get the unbiased truth there either.

Okay if the US was involved in opium, isn’t there some involvement with China and fentanyl flooding the US?   

Is not China meddling in other countries affairs in a different way by using large infrastructure projects in Africa as a carrot to make them vote alongside them or, like in Honduras’s case, make them rejecting the autonomy of places like Taiwan?

Also, I think state sponsors hackers raising US corporations patents is a pretty significant case of meddling in other country’s affairs. 

I have zero Sinophobia or think that China is some special kind of bogeyman.   I do think that their defense always boils down to a bad faith version of “well you guys in the West were plundering, murdering assholes for so many years, why can’t we have our turn to do that now that we have global power”.

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Everything you think you know about China is heavily spun propaganda, including all the points in your post.

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So the Chinese government are blameless actors in all aspects of domestic and international affairs and don’t deserve any scrutiny?  You don’t think that take is heavily spun propaganda from the Chinese government?

They deserve scrutiny but they're getting the majority of it because they are the US's number one rival at the moment. There are bad things happening in every country but the US's attention is not on them because they are not competitors. Even if China was guilty of everything the US says it is, what does it matter to the US? The US has so many problems to deal with but instead it's directing everyone's anger toward CHYNUH.

[newguy]

https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1640496874846138372

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time  Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore

I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world 

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

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do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time  Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore

I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world 

I actually do expect that the people who care enough to comment on congressional hearings to also be able to recognize that they are being lied to and that the interests of working Americans are not served by ratcheting up tension with China in order to create another Cold War. But yes, it’s hard to deny to effectiveness of American propaganda.

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

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do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time  Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore

I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world 

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I actually do expect that the people who care enough to comment on congressional hearings to also be able to recognize that they are being lied to and that the interests of working Americans are not served by ratcheting up tension with China in order to create another Cold War. But yes, it’s hard to deny to effectiveness of American propaganda.

reminds me of a quote read in a book from the 80s about soviet realism, a researcher on symbols or language saying that in the USSR propaganda was immediately obvious and easy to spot while in the US and co it was much harder to spot. They also talked about the famed « experts » journalists seem to find for almost any topic and point out the bullshit of it all. Circular reporting is also mentioned i think, considering that phenomenon kickstarted the stupid china genocide claims based on one evangelical nut from austria i’d say things havent changed too much.

[manysnakes]

https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1640496874846138372

lol

Hilariously China doesn’t punish citizens for VPN usage, just some occasional bellicose rhetoric about going after the providers when they do something which upsets the government.

[HeavyAndExpensive]

do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time  Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore

Aren't you the guy who basically said the world should give Putin what he wants and that it is all NATOs fault that Putin invaded Ukraine? Galaxy brain

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

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do you really expect washed out skaters posting on a forum to know anything about china? I usually roll my eyes at the terrible takes and move on because picking fights with dumb westerners is a waste of time  Shoutout to chuck for trying though, lord knows I cant do it anymore

I also love that Vine is seen to be good and tiktok bad and they’re both the same. It’s just conveniently disguised sinophobia and yellow peril bullshit, as always the american people proves to be most propagandised in the world 

Out of curiosity, where do all posters who are free from US/West’s propaganda machine reside?   

American politics and their people do not have a monolithic stance towards China.   Thinking that is likely a product of whatever propaganda you claim to be free from.    I’d say the vast majority of Americans don’t really feel any great alarm or threat about China.   Russia/Putin, North Korea, and to a much lesser extent Iran takes those places.   The voices that seem to get amplified to you wherever you’re from are often fringe Republicans, hardly encompassing the zeitgeist over here. 

I’m all in favor in keeping a beady eye on all technologies.   I know everyone has personal anecdotes about how the algorithm hasn’t affected them at all, but as 2016 showed us in America and in Britain with Brexit, social media can be weaponized when it needs to be in ways that are often subtle and like in both those cases are likely targeting less discerning individuals

[ChuckRamone]

Posting some examples of the way the Western media spins things about China

China is "dystopian" for rooting out CIA assets



The NYTimes discovers that China is using hamster ovaries for its vaccines. How weird!



Except that it's standard practice and when scientists point it out, NYTimes changes the headline for the article, though the original Tweet about it remains. Pointing it out at all was strange and implied something was unorthodox about it.



China is curing cancer too fast



And headlines that ask "But at what cost?" when it comes to anything good China does have become a running joke





They also love putting a grayish filter on any pics of China to make it look bleak and depressing, and centering security or cops in the frame to make it look super authoritarian.

[Ricky Vaughn]

Tik Tok:

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You guys get all your info about China from Western media and think you're experts on the country. Have any of you actually read any Chinese history or been to China? Just mindless repetition of "China bad" and yet you probably think Chinese citizens are all brainwashed. We're in a second Cold War with a country that's catching up to the USA. Just 6 years ago China wasn't even in the top 10 of countries the US might get into a conflict with. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvtY7g2/ Now all the news is "China must be destroyed."

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I have got to say, I find the Sinophobic rhetoric here to be pretty shocking. Is historical memory so short that people can't remember the Cold War? The War on Terror? It's crazy how easily we can be lead around by the nose, even by the politicians and a media we claim to despise.

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It's kind of astounding how Americans have repeatedly been lied to to manufacture consent for wars. They realize it after the fact, such as the invasion of Iraq, then completely forget it happened, or they think "THIS TIME they're telling us the truth."

Kind of a leap from discussing a ban of a social media app to manufacturing pretext for a war, no? 

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https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1640496874846138372

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Hilariously China doesn’t punish citizens for VPN usage, just some occasional bellicose rhetoric about going after the providers when they do something which upsets the government.

It's always projection.

[TheLurper]

Just so we know the stats on the Iraq War support:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/03/14/a-look-back-at-how-fear-and-false-beliefs-bolstered-u-s-public-support-for-war-in-iraq/

Looking back at the stats, it is amazing how many people believed Iraq was behind 9/11. I remember this being a thing and thinking, "How the fuck are adults so dumb?"

[newguy]

An article from VICE (https://archive.ph/xeyIX]=https://archive.ph/xeyIX]https://archive.ph/xeyIX) seems to suggest that there won’t be penalties for individual users:

    Rachel Cohen, communications director for Senator Warner, responded by telling Motherboard in an email “This legislation is aimed squarely at companies like Kaspersky, Huawei and TikTok that create systemic risks to the United States’ national security—not at individual users.” She added “The threshold for criminal penalty in this bill is incredibly high—too high to ever be concerned with the actions of someone an individual user of TikTok or a VPN.”

though of course that’s still not good, and the article also notes that the RESTRICT act is extremely broad, so in the future things may change. honestly it’ll be interesting to see how VPN companies deal with not being legally allowed to let users access banned foreign apps or even media, especially as they aren’t just for Americans. like, does NordVPN just issue a blanket ban on never letting people access TikTok in any country? could you even do that? somebody who knows about computers would have to tell me how feasible it would be

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An article from VICE (https://archive.ph/xeyIX]=https://archive.ph/xeyIX]https://archive.ph/xeyIX) seems to suggest that there won’t be penalties for individual users:

    Rachel Cohen, communications director for Senator Warner, responded by telling Motherboard in an email “This legislation is aimed squarely at companies like Kaspersky, Huawei and TikTok that create systemic risks to the United States’ national security—not at individual users.” She added “The threshold for criminal penalty in this bill is incredibly high—too high to ever be concerned with the actions of someone an individual user of TikTok or a VPN.”

though of course that’s still not good, and the article also notes that the RESTRICT act is extremely broad, so in the future things may change. honestly it’ll be interesting to see how VPN companies deal with not being legally allowed to let users access banned foreign apps or even media, especially as they aren’t just for Americans. like, does NordVPN just issue a blanket ban on never letting people access TikTok in any country? could you even do that? somebody who knows about computers would have to tell me how feasible it would be

Oh good, the government promises they won’t use it maliciously. Well then that settles that: I don’t know what everyone was so worried about.

As for your question, yes it would be trivial for Nord or other VPNs operating legally within the US to ban traffic to TikTok (or whoever else is the enemy of the month). They would comply immediately. I’m sure there will be ways around it using VPNs outside of the US, which is part of the reason why they’re threatening 20 years in prison and a million dollar fine for circumventing their draconian law.

But it’s all good because China is our greatest adversary! After the TikTok ban, the CCP is sure to fall as living standards in the US jump to 1956 levels.