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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2023, 05:40:17 PM »
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No, he didnít have one unless you count Menikmati. Honestly I respect the man but his refusal to put together a real part always came off as kinda lame and disrespectful. If Guy could put in the work for Mouse, Penny could have put out at least one good part. Not cool collecting big checks to barely show up.
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He made every company he rode for a boatload of money. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he made Flip and eS MORE money because of how illusive he was/is.
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I never bought a thing related to him because even though Iím a fan I didnít feel like he deserved my money.
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Youíre a fan but you donít want to support him? No shade but I donít get it
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I liked his skating but Iíd rather support other skaters who worked harder. Just felt rude to be like ďhe never cared about filmingĒ.
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This is a bit of a stretch. It's not that he didn't care about filming. He's just someone that skated regardless of whether there was a camera or chance of getting clips involved.
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Isnít this basically the same thing?

Iíll try to explain it differently. Imagine youíre a Lakers fan and you buy season tickets because you live Lebron. You attend every game. Lebron shows up every eighth or ninth game and plays amazingly. Not because heís injured or canít play. In fact every time you show up to a game you hear heíd actually been in the arena earlier playing, and doing the most amazing shit, sorry you missed it. Lebron loves basketball so much, but he plays whenever he feels like it, not when fans expect. Would you feel like buying tickets was a good idea?
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This is a poor analogy because basketball is both a sport based on statistics/winning and publicly performative whereas skateboarding is an art form based on style and largely on spontaneity. No one who financially supported Penny specifically missed out on anything because, thankfully, there is no metric of how much one should skate or film. Plus, Penny filmed a lot, especially considering the circumstances, itís just spread out all over the place.

Also, just generally, less is more, in my opinion.
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How is skateboarding an art form but not publicly performative? Yhat doesnít make sense.

There is a metric- video parts. We hear people on here all the time saying someoneís career doesnít count because they rarely put out parts- Luan Olivera or Rayssa Leal for instance. Or how itís not ok that Beatrice Domond got a board without putting out a full part. Everyone is giving Penny a pass because he was a generational talent, or because it would be really sick to be so good that you donít have to bother with hall the bullshit that lesser pros do. Thatís fine. But I donít know why I should try to convince myself that he deserves my money or that itís really awesome that we didnít see a ton of footage from him. Thatís ridiculous. No one here actually prefers that he never put out a great part.

This is one of the wackest takes I think I've ever read on Slap. Can't believe you just compared Penny to these three
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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2023, 05:50:38 PM »
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No, he didnít have one unless you count Menikmati. Honestly I respect the man but his refusal to put together a real part always came off as kinda lame and disrespectful. If Guy could put in the work for Mouse, Penny could have put out at least one good part. Not cool collecting big checks to barely show up.
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He made every company he rode for a boatload of money. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he made Flip and eS MORE money because of how illusive he was/is.
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I never bought a thing related to him because even though Iím a fan I didnít feel like he deserved my money.
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Youíre a fan but you donít want to support him? No shade but I donít get it
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I liked his skating but Iíd rather support other skaters who worked harder. Just felt rude to be like ďhe never cared about filmingĒ.
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This is a bit of a stretch. It's not that he didn't care about filming. He's just someone that skated regardless of whether there was a camera or chance of getting clips involved.
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Isnít this basically the same thing?

Iíll try to explain it differently. Imagine youíre a Lakers fan and you buy season tickets because you live Lebron. You attend every game. Lebron shows up every eighth or ninth game and plays amazingly. Not because heís injured or canít play. In fact every time you show up to a game you hear heíd actually been in the arena earlier playing, and doing the most amazing shit, sorry you missed it. Lebron loves basketball so much, but he plays whenever he feels like it, not when fans expect. Would you feel like buying tickets was a good idea?
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This is a poor analogy because basketball is both a sport based on statistics/winning and publicly performative whereas skateboarding is an art form based on style and largely on spontaneity. No one who financially supported Penny specifically missed out on anything because, thankfully, there is no metric of how much one should skate or film. Plus, Penny filmed a lot, especially considering the circumstances, itís just spread out all over the place.

Also, just generally, less is more, in my opinion.
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How is skateboarding an art form but not publicly performative? Yhat doesnít make sense.

There is a metric- video parts. We hear people on here all the time saying someoneís career doesnít count because they rarely put out parts- Luan Olivera or Rayssa Leal for instance. Or how itís not ok that Beatrice Domond got a board without putting out a full part. Everyone is giving Penny a pass because he was a generational talent, or because it would be really sick to be so good that you donít have to bother with hall the bullshit that lesser pros do. Thatís fine. But I donít know why I should try to convince myself that he deserves my money or that itís really awesome that we didnít see a ton of footage from him. Thatís ridiculous. No one here actually prefers that he never put out a great part.
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This is one of the wackest takes I think I've ever read on Slap. Can't believe you just compared Penny to these three

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2023, 06:08:20 PM »
didn't Reynolds make his own a Penny compilation videotape that he would watch all the time? maybe that's the edit we need to see. that or an edit by MemoryScreen.

I think that might have been P-Rod. I recall him saying something about that when he was telling a Penny story on video about their time together on ťS. That's not to say Reynolds didn't do it too but this is the one I remember hearing about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaBKpn3sFp8
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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2023, 07:03:52 PM »
If you think Tom Penny needs a magnum opus part, you donít understand what makes Tom Penny Tom Penny.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2023, 07:29:57 PM »
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No, he didnít have one unless you count Menikmati. Honestly I respect the man but his refusal to put together a real part always came off as kinda lame and disrespectful. If Guy could put in the work for Mouse, Penny could have put out at least one good part. Not cool collecting big checks to barely show up.
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He made every company he rode for a boatload of money. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he made Flip and eS MORE money because of how illusive he was/is.
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I never bought a thing related to him because even though Iím a fan I didnít feel like he deserved my money.
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Youíre a fan but you donít want to support him? No shade but I donít get it
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I liked his skating but Iíd rather support other skaters who worked harder. Just felt rude to be like ďhe never cared about filmingĒ.
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This is a bit of a stretch. It's not that he didn't care about filming. He's just someone that skated regardless of whether there was a camera or chance of getting clips involved.
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Isnít this basically the same thing?

Iíll try to explain it differently. Imagine youíre a Lakers fan and you buy season tickets because you live Lebron. You attend every game. Lebron shows up every eighth or ninth game and plays amazingly. Not because heís injured or canít play. In fact every time you show up to a game you hear heíd actually been in the arena earlier playing, and doing the most amazing shit, sorry you missed it. Lebron loves basketball so much, but he plays whenever he feels like it, not when fans expect. Would you feel like buying tickets was a good idea?

The reason this is a poor analogy is because you're not buying front row tix to SLS to watch Penny, you're buying (or not buying, in your case) his gear and the tools he uses to skateboard so well -- the products he endorses. A more apt analogy would be to compare it to you refusing to buy LeBron's signature shoes and jerseys, etc....and let's get serious, you're buying all that shit.
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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2023, 07:42:46 PM »
http://youtu.be/PXM8V2pKL0w

This is prime Penny. Still probably the best line of all time. Iím just glad that even as a young dumb kid watching 411 I knew that it didnít get better than this.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #96 on: May 25, 2023, 02:03:25 AM »
http://youtu.be/PXM8V2pKL0w

This is prime Penny. Still probably the best line of all time. Iím just glad that even as a young dumb kid watching 411 I knew that it didnít get better than this.

This line is soooo good!!!

A lot of people say Gino has the best style of all time, I really like him and his style is really great, but I don't really know if he has better style than the style Penny had in this line/era.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #97 on: May 25, 2023, 08:37:06 AM »
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http://youtu.be/PXM8V2pKL0w

This is prime Penny. Still probably the best line of all time. Iím just glad that even as a young dumb kid watching 411 I knew that it didnít get better than this.
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This line is soooo good!!!

A lot of people say Gino has the best style of all time, I really like him and his style is really great, but I don't really know if he has better style than the style Penny had in this line/era.

Pretty sure this was also the first backside tailslide I saw on a handrail, for sure in a line.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #98 on: May 25, 2023, 11:19:58 AM »
Am I wrong or did I read here a long time ago that when he was shutting down the chain to bank he Switch Frontside 360 flipped it but they withheld the footage and were trying to market Geoff more than Penny? Or was I having a weird fever dream and that never happened...

Also that contest run I always loved how he pushed up while on the bank, so stylish

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #99 on: May 25, 2023, 11:51:55 AM »
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No, he didnít have one unless you count Menikmati. Honestly I respect the man but his refusal to put together a real part always came off as kinda lame and disrespectful. If Guy could put in the work for Mouse, Penny could have put out at least one good part. Not cool collecting big checks to barely show up.
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He made every company he rode for a boatload of money. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he made Flip and eS MORE money because of how illusive he was/is.
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I never bought a thing related to him because even though Iím a fan I didnít feel like he deserved my money.
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Youíre a fan but you donít want to support him? No shade but I donít get it
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I liked his skating but Iíd rather support other skaters who worked harder. Just felt rude to be like ďhe never cared about filmingĒ.
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This is a bit of a stretch. It's not that he didn't care about filming. He's just someone that skated regardless of whether there was a camera or chance of getting clips involved.
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Isnít this basically the same thing?

Iíll try to explain it differently. Imagine youíre a Lakers fan and you buy season tickets because you live Lebron. You attend every game. Lebron shows up every eighth or ninth game and plays amazingly. Not because heís injured or canít play. In fact every time you show up to a game you hear heíd actually been in the arena earlier playing, and doing the most amazing shit, sorry you missed it. Lebron loves basketball so much, but he plays whenever he feels like it, not when fans expect. Would you feel like buying tickets was a good idea?
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The reason this is a poor analogy is because you're not buying front row tix to SLS to watch Penny, you're buying (or not buying, in your case) his gear and the tools he uses to skateboard so well -- the products he endorses. A more apt analogy would be to compare it to you refusing to buy LeBron's signature shoes and jerseys, etc....and let's get serious, you're buying all that shit.
Come on man this is lame nitpicking , you can understand the analogy. We buy skatersí stuff because we watch their videos and decide we like how they skate. No one intentionally buys product from someone theyíve never seen skate. So skaters have to perform or people generally donít buy their shit. But Penny had convinced nearly everyone itís a good thing that he didnít put out much during his peak. I disagreed and people are throwing a hissy fit.

And sure, Beatrice and Luan arenít perfect comparisons but Rayssa is every bit as big of a deal as Penny.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #100 on: May 25, 2023, 12:53:46 PM »
Am I wrong or did I read here a long time ago that when he was shutting down the chain to bank he Switch Frontside 360 flipped it but they withheld the footage and were trying to market Geoff more than Penny? Or was I having a weird fever dream and that never happened...

Also that contest run I always loved how he pushed up while on the bank, so stylish

I heard that rumor too, that he did even more tricks that session, but I don't think it's very likely. It was a shared part with Rowley and Penny had the "ender."

Also at that time marketing wasn't as professional as it is know, this was even way before the X-Games.
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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #101 on: May 25, 2023, 01:12:42 PM »
And guys, you donít need to get so butthurt about my 90s consumer habits that you run out and buy stuff. Iím just some guy on the internet, my opinion doesnít matter. Iím a Penny fan and Iíve said multiple times heís the best skater Iíve ever seen IRL.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #102 on: May 25, 2023, 01:49:57 PM »
I don't think anyone really cares as much as you'd like to believe we do. Tbh, Idek what you're going on about.
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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #103 on: May 25, 2023, 02:21:19 PM »
High 5 is his magnus opum, perfect introduction to American spots, every trick is a classic clip and peak style. Nobody else came close in 95.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2023, 08:10:23 PM »
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Am I wrong or did I read here a long time ago that when he was shutting down the chain to bank he Switch Frontside 360 flipped it but they withheld the footage and were trying to market Geoff more than Penny? Or was I having a weird fever dream and that never happened...

Also that contest run I always loved how he pushed up while on the bank, so stylish
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I heard that rumor too, that he did even more tricks that session, but I don't think it's very likely. It was a shared part with Rowley and Penny had the "ender."

Also at that time marketing wasn't as professional as it is know, this was even way before the X-Games.

It was debunked and I think that poster stopped posting after that a la VK420

My vote goes to Uno. High 5 was fucked up tricks ahead of its time, Menikmati doesnít count, TSA was good but not his best, Sorry trilogy was after his peak. Uno was just special in the fact that something like that has never been done, will never be done, was on a whim, and every single trick was executed perfectly all the while during his peak style. Shit was bonkers watching that for the first time.


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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #106 on: May 25, 2023, 11:33:55 PM »
Thanks for making me revisit all that stuff. Every time I watch a new clip I change my mind about what I think his magnum opus is. This is definitely some of the most beautiful skating ever caught on camera, especially with the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x_6cMLJs
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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #107 on: May 26, 2023, 12:36:18 AM »
some more peak penny
Absorb the sheer dopeness of The Oxford Don himself, Sir Tom Penny, in this 16mm footage filmed for a 411 ťS Footwear commercial in the mid-90ísÖ

https://youtu.be/u3aKHd1QQ7k

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #108 on: May 26, 2023, 05:00:53 AM »
some more peak penny
Absorb the sheer dopeness of The Oxford Don himself, Sir Tom Penny, in this 16mm footage filmed for a 411 ťS Footwear commercial in the mid-90ísÖ

https://youtu.be/u3aKHd1QQ7k

It's so typical Tom Penny that he almost lands the frontside 360 flip twice and doesn't bother again.

I also remember this line in a parking garage (not the one with the launch ramp) where he casually boardslides the hood of a random car, but can't find it right now. 

Btw here is that picture Wig Worland took of his blind side nollie flip over the Meanwhile 2 gap in London but that was never filmed, just like his only 540 on vert in Copenhagen or Malmo after drinking a couple of bottles of wine. All those stories add more to his legacy than any part ever could imho.




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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #109 on: May 26, 2023, 06:56:59 AM »
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Showing my age here, but for me it was his TSA Life in the Fast Lane part.
Probably not the best part he ever released, but for it's time and place in my life it was massively influential,
blew my fucking mind.
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Wasn't there for it, but that's my fav part of his as well.

Double same

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #110 on: May 26, 2023, 08:47:39 AM »
lets put it this way, if he decided to have one we couldnt afford it

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #111 on: May 26, 2023, 08:52:22 AM »
Sorry guys, my phone was bugging last night.  Didnít mean to repeatedly post

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2023, 09:05:14 AM »
His magnum opus was created by skaters themselves and not by the companies. It's 11 minutes of prime Penny collected from his diffuse coverage. The Rolling Stones and Moby are playing in the background.

Penny is for the people. He just roams around the world blowing minds and the industry makes bank off the table scraps he leaves behind.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2023, 09:58:59 AM »
G-d bless Tom Penny

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2023, 05:54:28 PM »
I know this. I had quit skating for a long time and my buddy moved back from the air force and was like you should skate again. He gave me old 411's and I remember basically knowing Penny was better than everyone and it was just from little ads. One with 2 Little kickers over a chair,the industry line and him fronside flipping a huge rail.I was like this dude is different. I had never seen flip tricks like that over rails. That's prime penny to me..i dont think sorry era and beyond is close really.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2023, 10:23:46 PM »
BTW, I heard there's a rumor that Penny was on meth during the mid 90's in California.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2023, 11:37:14 PM »
No, he's overrated.

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Re: Does Tom Penny really has a magnum opus part???
« Reply #119 on: May 27, 2023, 05:48:23 AM »
Just going to leave this one here. Just incase you haven't seen it.

https://youtu.be/THyo84BI_mw

Still mad I didn't go to that demo in 95ish.