Will Vans Keepsake be released? (poll)

[GuessAgain?]

Kinda having a hard time believing that a VF Corp company is having this much trouble clearing music. The video premiered almost two months ago.

A good pal of mine works for a company that has many VF corp brands as clients for marketing, socials, pr etc. in the European market. He's been telling me they're kind of in a bit of a meltdown and slashing content budgets massively, having a pretty big shuffle about of staff too. In saying that I'm pretty Vans is one of the only VF brands he doesn't work with.

Pretty sure this cost of living situation is hitting the mid-level retailers pretty hard and they're cutting costs wherever possible. Not sure if its the same in the US though 🤷‍♂️

[manysnakes]

so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot. 

[skunty]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

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Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

it's basically it, except I don't think muting actually is an option anymore. I think their options are 1) do nothing 2) claim the revenue and let it stay up 3) force them to take it down 4) force them to take it down and ask youtube to penalize them aka a strike and as strikes accumulate you can get suspended or banned.

The wknd video has the album covers in the vid description, telltale sign the content identification system caught it, and the music rights holders are probably claiming the revenue from it.

[pizzafliptofakie]

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Kinda having a hard time believing that a VF Corp company is having this much trouble clearing music. The video premiered almost two months ago.

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A good pal of mine works for a company that has many VF corp brands as clients for marketing, socials, pr etc. in the European market. He's been telling me they're kind of in a bit of a meltdown and slashing content budgets massively, having a pretty big shuffle about of staff too. In saying that I'm pretty Vans is one of the only VF brands he doesn't work with.

Pretty sure this cost of living situation is hitting the mid-level retailers pretty hard and they're cutting costs wherever possible. Not sure if its the same in the US though 🤷‍♂️

The thing with me is, and this is coming from a big Vans guy, is that most of their videos have the safest edits possible that feel like they were intended to play in the background of a mall shop. I have no doubt that licensing is a huge pain in the ass but it seems very strange they would hype a video up so much, host an event for it, then go silent on it for months. I feel like a company like Vans would sooner grab some royalty free instrumental to fill in the blanks than shoot themselves in the foot marketing-wise.  And no, I don't have any alternate theories about it. I just think it's weird.





Also someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this big tour they're doing intended to market the video? I saw them posting about showing it on the first stop, but as far as I've seen they haven't shown it since.

[KGB]

No. They just spent all that time and money filming so you could make a stupid poll about it.

[skate_or_dingus]

IS ELVIS PRESLEY ALIVE?!

[No Wave Comply]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

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Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

I'm a Rick Beato viewer. I like his breakdown of well known classic rock and prog songs, etc. His signature Gibson Les Paul Special is pretty nice looking too. I'd be all about it if I had $2400 to throw at a new guitar (surprise surprise, I do not have even close to that much disposable income).

[Lou Strux]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

[close]

Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

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I'm a Rick Beato viewer. I like his breakdown of well known classic rock and prog songs, etc. His signature Gibson Les Paul Special is pretty nice looking too. I'd be all about it if I had $2400 to throw at a new guitar (surprise surprise, I do not have even close to that much disposable income).

There's always the Bastien route: start a gofundme for that sweet axe!

After all you may have been through, its possible you deserve this.

[No Wave Comply]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

[close]

Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

[close]

I'm a Rick Beato viewer. I like his breakdown of well known classic rock and prog songs, etc. His signature Gibson Les Paul Special is pretty nice looking too. I'd be all about it if I had $2400 to throw at a new guitar (surprise surprise, I do not have even close to that much disposable income).

[close]

There's always the Bastien route: start a gofundme for that sweet axe!

After all you may have been through, its possible you deserve this.

You're right. I may have been through a lot and it is quite possible that I do deserve this totally unnecessary extra guitar that's gonna hang on my wall and rarely be played, let alone through my amp. Anyone want to Gofundme a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 and/or Korg Arp 2600 reissue and my medical bills?

[tadej Pog]

Can someone turn Versacekid nollie 3 over hydrant a new Fred Gall?

[camel filters]

No. They just spent all that time and money filming so you could make a stupid poll about it.

Fuck you.

[manysnakes]

So is this just shelved?

[Murge]

It’s like new star wars. They’re waiting for CGI to evolve enough they can make 5050 shoves look like another trick. Other wise vans marketing cow will look like a flop.

[MyUserName]

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No. They just spent all that time and money filming so you could make a stupid poll about it.

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Fuck you.

This is the type of classic Slap reply I’ve been missing these last few years.

[No Wave Comply]

So is this just shelved?

This has become the SLAP conspiracy for 2023.

It's seriously not adding up though.

Justice for Nelly Morville.

[j....soy.....]

It keeps premiering in Vancouver….

[323-BALM]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

[close]

Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

[close]

I'm a Rick Beato viewer. I like his breakdown of well known classic rock and prog songs, etc. His signature Gibson Les Paul Special is pretty nice looking too. I'd be all about it if I had $2400 to throw at a new guitar (surprise surprise, I do not have even close to that much disposable income).

(Beato)

[Sangriawaterfall]

Vanity fair probably has nightmare zoom meetings

[lurker_and_poster]

Vanity fair probably has nightmare zoom meetings

No matter the music rights. If some major cooperate didn’t release something- it’s never the fault of some guy at the marketing department who have slept on music rights. It’s from my experience always upper management not making decisions.
Music rights is just a cheap excuse

[Terminal]

Hey, lets keep caring about what VF corp do. FFS....

[EdLawndale]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

[close]

Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

[close]

I'm a Rick Beato viewer. I like his breakdown of well known classic rock and prog songs, etc. His signature Gibson Les Paul Special is pretty nice looking too. I'd be all about it if I had $2400 to throw at a new guitar (surprise surprise, I do not have even close to that much disposable income).

[close]

There's always the Bastien route: start a gofundme for that sweet axe!

After all you may have been through, its possible you deserve this.

[close]

You're right. I may have been through a lot and it is quite possible that I do deserve this totally unnecessary extra guitar that's gonna hang on my wall and rarely be played, let alone through my amp. Anyone want to Gofundme a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 and/or Korg Arp 2600 reissue and my medical bills?

https://youtu.be/vd4zwINEcLY?si=8-PdcEh1Urf7QtVJ

[el chino]

It keeps premiering in Vancouver….

bootleg it for us

[GS77]

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It keeps premiering in Vancouver….

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bootleg it for us

[No Wave Comply]

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so artists and labels ultimately choose between earning ad revenue from unlicensed usage of their music or just flat-out muting it whenever it appears (ie the ramones)?

[close]

Yeah, that is basically it. I don’t know about the Ramones, but I know that Axel Rose does that for all GnR music. I won’t claim to understand the nuts and bolts, but the music producer turned YouTuber Rick Beato has talked about this a lot.

[close]

I'm a Rick Beato viewer. I like his breakdown of well known classic rock and prog songs, etc. His signature Gibson Les Paul Special is pretty nice looking too. I'd be all about it if I had $2400 to throw at a new guitar (surprise surprise, I do not have even close to that much disposable income).

[close]

There's always the Bastien route: start a gofundme for that sweet axe!

After all you may have been through, its possible you deserve this.

[close]

You're right. I may have been through a lot and it is quite possible that I do deserve this totally unnecessary extra guitar that's gonna hang on my wall and rarely be played, let alone through my amp. Anyone want to Gofundme a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 and/or Korg Arp 2600 reissue and my medical bills?

[close]

https://youtu.be/vd4zwINEcLY?si=8-PdcEh1Urf7QtVJ

Excalibur. Beato axe > Jimi Hendrix axe.

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bootleg it for us

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Such a good episode. Jerry bullied into bootleging movies for Kramer's friend. Bad boy Costanza. Etc.

[manysnakes]

[heinzketchup]

is there a nick michel part? he just had a whole vans line dropping and im thirsty for some footage

[pbj]

Haven't seen this theory thrown around as much but there's been ~10 major company full lengths to drop in the last 2 month period, I wouldn't blame Vans for waiting until it doesn't inevitably get buried under the latest new release.

[Noble Experiment]

Probably saving it til November or December to help push one of their skaters for SOTY.

[Shtonk]

Music rights issue sounds real funky when you know that Vans have their own prelicensed library that everyone who makes videos  for them has their arms twisted to use. Either Shari and whoever's part it is pull more weight than top level snowboard and surfboard pros where all the music is from their library, or it is certified bullshit. I'm voting numero dos.

[dallou]

I hope Nelly has a full part