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people hate to see queer people winning. god forbid any kind of representation of queer folks skateboarding. that shoe looks killer
I don’t think anyone even really cares about that. People are just sick of lesser-talented skaters getting shine because they’re more “marketable” because they’re gay or trans or a girl or whatever. Let the skating do the talking Jesus fuck
The standard set by cis-Hetero males should not be the same standard we judge everyone else by particularly those who didn’t have a place in the industry before five years ago. Leo rips and skates consistently. This is hardly a similar situation to another skater.
IF THERE ARE STILL ANY TRANS SKATERS ON THE BOARD PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN ON THIS - I'd love to know how you feel and not how people with a hero complex tell us we need to feel. (not looking at you Atiba, every post I've seen you make has been made with grace)
By this logic, what standard should be used to judge a Leo part against? If Leo identifies as a man, do you not think he'd want to be judged as such? Anything else would be viewed as lesser than, no? Should there be different standards for trans skaters, or for each gender? Not being facetious, seriously asking as this part (there were a few great tricks in there) was subpar for current pro level men or women. You aren't following enough women skaters if you aren't aware of that. For some reason this part is off limits unless you have something nice to say because Lacey transitioned to Leo? So a part isn't allowed to be criticized in that situation or it's hateful? Maybe judging parts is always hateful but you're ok with it in other cases? You are only allowed to judge parts of people who are the same sex/gender as you? How is it any more hateful to make critical comments on this part than comments in any other post (anyone looked at a Pine thread) that are considered totally acceptable? The math just doesn't add up. You skate and post footage, the shit gets judged. That's how it's always been. If you say you can't judge trans skaters against men or women because those aren't fair comparisons, are you saying trans skaters aren't capable of pro-level parts or that the bar is lower for the skills required of a trans skater to go pro? That is how it's coming across, and if I were trans I'm not sure how I'd feel about knowing that was how I was viewed. But that is basically what most of you are saying.
Imo, Leo would have been better served taking the few exceptional standout clips and throwing them in that other part that came out with the shoe as the enders and then there would have been this mystique surrounding their skating similar to getting a few PJ clips here and there and it being enough to keep the legend alive. And where is the footage of the front board up the guard rail, the one thing I was actually hyped to see? If it wasn't a make, and it was used, are we allowed to criticize that the way we have other pros for using stills that weren't makes in the past, or if you identify a certain way do you get a pass on that?
Wow, this is a very thought-provoking and well put together post. I'd gnar it if I could wax poetic.
There is so much to unpack here about standards and critiquing of skating. The only thing I could say in this moment is that far too often it seems, skaters as a whole tend to hate far too often when commenting on other's skating.
When the language within the critique is kept neutral it can be fascinating to read as feedback, and can help progress and refine skating styles. However, quite often, the commentary veers towards strong, unnecessary levels of negativity.
I enjoyed several tricks Leo's part but probably wouldn't watch it multiple times. There have been parts recently I didn't really enjoy any of the tricks, the song, etc. Am I going to log on to SLAP or comment on Youtube spewing hate at this part which had didn't meet my expectations for trick selection, song choice etc? No, because they don't deserve hate and it doesn't help anyone.
Is the hate for a skater's video part and trick selection/style ever reasonably justified? Why is it so common place?