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Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« on: August 23, 2024, 02:07:56 PM »
I was wondering how the quality of product have evolved as time went on, like wheels trucks and decks.

Like what did a wheel in 1985 feel like compared to a wheel in 1995 or a wheel in 2005.

Kook me if you must just been curious about this for a minute. Especially interested in how bushing quality has been.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2024, 07:15:39 PM »
The Independent stage 7’s I had in 1997 also had terrible axle slip,  it the tracker b-52s I had took the cake because in those the axle could come out completely. It was just loose in those. Can’t remember if my 90s ventures slipped as well.
Kingpin clearance was worse back then mostly as well.
Bones changed the wheel game around 2000 with the stf’s. 95 an and 97a were a little more common in the 90s as well.
Bones Swiss were always great.
I would say decks broke much easier back in the day as well. Maybe the shapes and conclaves had something to do with it, but I could snap
Multiple decks tails off on the 7.5s of the day.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2024, 07:49:30 PM »
I remember board snap on kicks/ tail
And venture kingpins snap. Saying that though,  I loved my old featherlites and snap boards

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2024, 08:25:40 PM »
Kingpins use to snap all the time! It was such a regular occurrence. Thunder, venture, krux , destructo,silver, Indy, I broke em all. Then it sort of stopped happening. I haven’t broken a king pin since like 2012. I do wonder what changed.

Same with decks, they are better now, but there was no marketing. The standard deck just got better.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2024, 08:45:01 PM »
80 wheels > everything (thanks to regulations).

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2024, 09:01:30 PM »
80 wheels > everything (thanks to regulations).

This cannot be overstated. Santa Cruz Speedwheels in particular were amazing in the mid to late 80s. 92s, 95s and 97s. My personal favs were OJ Freezstreets. Power sliding has not felt the same since. SC and SMA decks were also great quality and Indy stage 5s were superb.

In the BPSW era all product became very disposable, not least wheels.

As we bounced out of  the BPSW era, in the mid-90s Spitfire wheels were pretty great until somewhere in the very early 2000s. Like Xen said, the story goes EPA regulations changed and wheel quality went to complete shit with flat spots a plenty.

This was until the advent of SPF/ STF and a lot later Formula Four.

I feel like we are now entering a new Golden Age of Urethane and I am glad to still be skateboarding through it.

However, I will never forget how great Speedwheels felt in my salad days.

Edit* Just listen to these 95as slide on curbs and in pools.


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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2024, 11:11:27 PM »
What were the regulations with wheels that made them worse?

Crazy to think we've basically had 3 skate generations since formula 4s came out. I remember pre formula 4 all wheels felt pretty much the same and would flatspot if you looked at them wrong.

As twist said kingpins used to break constantly. Venture and Indy (stage 9) baseplates in the 00s used to break constantly too. For maybe a year when they came out theeve were by far the best trucks then Indy went to stage ten and thunder made the 149 and I never went back. Interestingly looks like venture didnt change their baseplate design but I haven't heard of people breaking them nearly as much as back then.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2024, 09:19:26 AM »
Wheels, I have to say Darkstar has to be mentioned, those were the first ones that I recall that didn't flatspot bad  and were really hard, designed for sliding on ledges...they lead to the STF's, then the SPF's...F4's, then Dragon/X's.....

I have a set of ditch techs which are softer SPF's as well as some old stock OJ team riders from the early 90's, they both feel like shit....

The QC on trucks has gotten so much better, and there were so many brands too. 

Boards...I'd say it's about what you expect, PS had the best stuff in the 80's, through the Giant years, and we've seen BBS more or less take over.  I'd say Rodney moving shapes away from the football to the popsicle was a big deal too.....

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2024, 09:44:04 AM »
What were the regulations with wheels that made them worse?


That is the question.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2024, 10:14:05 AM »
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What were the regulations with wheels that made them worse?

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Probably environmental concerns with manufacturing the product. From what I recall vans had to go overseas to make vulc shoes because of new regulations that prohibited the vulc process in California.

That is the question.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2024, 10:25:53 AM »
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80 wheels > everything (thanks to regulations).
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This cannot be overstated. Santa Cruz Speedwheels in particular were amazing in the mid to late 80s. 92s, 95s and 97s. My personal favs were OJ Freezstreets. Power sliding has not felt the same since. SC and SMA decks were also great quality and Indy stage 5s were superb.

In the BPSW era all product became very disposable, not least wheels.

As we bounced out of  the BPSW era, in the mid-90s Spitfire wheels were pretty great until somewhere in the very early 2000s. Like Xen said, the story goes EPA regulations changed and wheel quality went to complete shit with flat spots a plenty.

This was until the advent of SPF/ STF and a lot later Formula Four.

I feel like we are now entering a new Golden Age of Urethane and I am glad to still be skateboarding through it.

However, I will never forget how great Speedwheels felt in my salad days.

Edit* Just listen to these 95as slide on curbs and in pools.



Man, the sound of those wheels..you can just feel them...grippy, slidey, they just worked - clear disticntiones between 95/97/99 (100/101 weren't that popular at the advent of real street as they were just too hard). There was never a need for this wheel or that wheel, get the duro you like and go, no one gave a shit about shape either, flatspots would roll out super easy. They did cone/wear super fucking easy tho. Slime balls were king for so long...OJ Street razors...

As for EPA regs, this hit just about everything in the 80s, plastics esepcially, chemical mixtures and WASTE was the issue...of course something planetairly evil made skate wheels fucking amazing :P

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2024, 11:16:16 AM »
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80 wheels > everything (thanks to regulations).
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This cannot be overstated. Santa Cruz Speedwheels in particular were amazing in the mid to late 80s. 92s, 95s and 97s. My personal favs were OJ Freezstreets. Power sliding has not felt the same since. SC and SMA decks were also great quality and Indy stage 5s were superb.

In the BPSW era all product became very disposable, not least wheels.

As we bounced out of  the BPSW era, in the mid-90s Spitfire wheels were pretty great until somewhere in the very early 2000s. Like Xen said, the story goes EPA regulations changed and wheel quality went to complete shit with flat spots a plenty.

This was until the advent of SPF/ STF and a lot later Formula Four.

I feel like we are now entering a new Golden Age of Urethane and I am glad to still be skateboarding through it.

However, I will never forget how great Speedwheels felt in my salad days.

Edit* Just listen to these 95as slide on curbs and in pools.


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Man, the sound of those wheels..you can just feel them...grippy, slidey, they just worked - clear disticntiones between 95/97/99 (100/101 weren't that popular at the advent of real street as they were just too hard). There was never a need for this wheel or that wheel, get the duro you like and go, no one gave a shit about shape either, flatspots would roll out super easy. They did cone/wear super fucking easy tho. Slime balls were king for so long...OJ Street razors...

As for EPA regs, this hit just about everything in the 80s, plastics esepcially, chemical mixtures and WASTE was the issue...of course something planetairly evil made skate wheels fucking amazing :P

I didn't live through the 80' era of wheels (born in '94) but I've been a gear nerd for as long as I can remember. A couple of years before the dragons came out I was hunting for a good ~95a wheel and found some NOS Street Razors. I want to say they were either 92 or 93a but even being roughly 25 years old the wheels slid great, held speed well and did the job.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2024, 01:42:24 PM »
This discussion made me take my 60mm 95 a OJ combos out for a spin on my Natas with Stage 4s. These are reissue wheels but still felt pretty great.

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2024, 05:23:53 PM »
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The luxury of being an adult with money to get whatever I want outweighs the kid who skated whatever he could get back then, but I also wonder how much harder (or easier) people went on their gear back then, be it pre teens, then teens, then early adult to now older adult life and skateboarding accordingly.

Boards lasted way longer in the 80s purely because most of us didn't do the sort of things we were trying in the 90s, but also because they were made better too.  90s boards were not something I really want to think about - some lasted, most didn't from what I recall.  How long depended on what was tried, but learning flip tricks meant boards had a very limited life.

Trucks also had mixed quality, but I do think they still lasted longer than anything else, as was the way, kingpins and bushings problems aside, bushings just being way harder in general, or at least trucks just not having the same amount of ease of turn as modern trucks do now.  Kingpins broke and were easily replaced as they were not pressed into the baseplate, just a hex head sitting in there.  Don't recall a lot of issues with axle slip, but I know there were some.

Wheels were a funny one for me - often skating a set of wheels down to almost nothing and loving street stuff, then getting new wheels and skating parks and transition for a while a lot more because they were just too big to easily slide curbs like I did on the older way smaller wheels, so it cycled around a bit in the mid to late 90s.  Never really recall flatspot issues, even though I know I did have some dramas now and then, but again I don't recall the good well known brand names until later in the 00s.


I still have some of the old parts, or even some old completes from various eras and some things still skate well, but other things leave me thinking "What were we doing?" or "How could we skate this stuff back then?" maybe more so with how tight the trucks were, or the concave or shape of boards, but also thinking that was 20+ years ago, 30+ for some things, even 40+ for a few things, so from that perspective, everything has come such a long way, it is hard to even contemplate going back to old product now for a lot of things.


Last thing, not part of the original question, but shoes also played a huge part of everything through that entire time.  Some shoes over the years have been so thin and basically a rubber pad under foot and almost nothing more, whereas other shoes got so tech that they had almost nothing in common with original skateboard shoes, so depending on what era you were used to, some people swear by some shoes and others swear by a totally different type of shoe, eg Osiris D3 vs Vans Era vs Converse all star vs Airwalk 540 and on and on.

Sure could go on about it a lot more, but I will leave it at that, even though I feel like I haven't even scratched the surface with most of the products I had over the years, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, to current / last decade of gear.

I do like where we are now the most though, the variation and quality of product is the best it has ever been.




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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2024, 06:43:25 PM »
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The luxury of being an adult with money to get whatever I want outweighs the kid who skated whatever he could get back then, but I also wonder how much harder (or easier) people went on their gear back then, be it pre teens, then teens, then early adult to now older adult life and skateboarding accordingly.

Boards lasted way longer in the 80s purely because most of us didn't do the sort of things we were trying in the 90s, but also because they were made better too.  90s boards were not something I really want to think about - some lasted, most didn't from what I recall.  How long depended on what was tried, but learning flip tricks meant boards had a very limited life.

Trucks also had mixed quality, but I do think they still lasted longer than anything else, as was the way, kingpins and bushings problems aside, bushings just being way harder in general, or at least trucks just not having the same amount of ease of turn as modern trucks do now.  Kingpins broke and were easily replaced as they were not pressed into the baseplate, just a hex head sitting in there.  Don't recall a lot of issues with axle slip, but I know there were some.

Wheels were a funny one for me - often skating a set of wheels down to almost nothing and loving street stuff, then getting new wheels and skating parks and transition for a while a lot more because they were just too big to easily slide curbs like I did on the older way smaller wheels, so it cycled around a bit in the mid to late 90s.  Never really recall flatspot issues, even though I know I did have some dramas now and then, but again I don't recall the good well known brand names until later in the 00s.


I still have some of the old parts, or even some old completes from various eras and some things still skate well, but other things leave me thinking "What were we doing?" or "How could we skate this stuff back then?" maybe more so with how tight the trucks were, or the concave or shape of boards, but also thinking that was 20+ years ago, 30+ for some things, even 40+ for a few things, so from that perspective, everything has come such a long way, it is hard to even contemplate going back to old product now for a lot of things.


Last thing, not part of the original question, but shoes also played a huge part of everything through that entire time.  Some shoes over the years have been so thin and basically a rubber pad under foot and almost nothing more, whereas other shoes got so tech that they had almost nothing in common with original skateboard shoes, so depending on what era you were used to, some people swear by some shoes and others swear by a totally different type of shoe, eg Osiris D3 vs Vans Era vs Converse all star vs Airwalk 540 and on and on.

Sure could go on about it a lot more, but I will leave it at that, even though I feel like I haven't even scratched the surface with most of the products I had over the years, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, to current / last decade of gear.

I do like where we are now the most though, the variation and quality of product is the best it has ever been.

How often did you slide your wheels down down to almost nothing? And how long did they last? Was there anything in the 80s or 90s that were like F4S?

Cany anyone speak on the quality of Bones and Spitfire on the time?

Seems like people like OJs back then. Did they flatspot? Did they slide well/easily? Did they chunk?

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2024, 08:24:19 PM »
There was a point where all the axles slipped so bad that tracker just made a truck with a free-floating axle. I was dumb enough to buy them, probably 92-93. I even bought the ones with E-clips instead of actual nuts to hold them on. Big pants small wheels wasn't the only dumb thing we were doing back then. ::)

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2024, 04:33:40 PM »


How often did you slide your wheels down down to almost nothing? And how long did they last? Was there anything in the 80s or 90s that were like F4S?

Cany anyone speak on the quality of Bones and Spitfire on the time?

Seems like people like OJs back then. Did they flatspot? Did they slide well/easily? Did they chunk?


The older (bigger and softer) wheels didn't seem to flatspot anywhere near as much as the newer (smaller and harder) wheels coming from the 80s to the 90s and 00s, so I guess something changed there, or just the fact that softer wheels are way less likely to flatspot on anything.  Maybe even more so the newer tech tricks causing more issues, eg blunt and nose blunt slides seemed to always end up with some issues when getting them for anything more than a short distance.

As to how long they lasted, it was maybe a lot longer than now, but I think that also comes down to how much we skated and if or when we needed to replace wheels as a last resort, compared to now, wearing wheels down a couple of mm and swapping them out because I can, or because I have another half a dozen sets of the same ready to go whenever I feel like setting up new wheels.  Back then, there were no spare sets and very limited anything else, at least for myself and friends who I skated with.  We usually bought second hand or hand me downs from older skaters, so sometimes never even knew what brand or any other info, just that they were bigger than what we had on.  I remember even skating a set that had solid flatspots just because they were bigger than what I had and they came from someone who we all looked up to, but maybe that was me being more young and foolish than anything else.


There were no wheels at all like current options back then, even though some did come and go, fancy superthane or other technologically advanced formulas or names, but really I keep thinking it was such a different market too, way less information about duro options, more about whatever was available at the time.

Spitfire was called other names like shitfire by some people because they said they sucked, but they still kept riding them.  Bones was not really a thing, more so Powell as a brand and they really only made softer wheels for the longest time, or at least that is what comes to mind, but the smaller harder Powell wheels did skate well enough, but did still flatspot too coming out of the 90s with sets I picked up in more recent years of old stock.

OJs were big and soft, or at least some seemed more that way, just like Powell wheels, but I am sure there were smaller and harder sets going round - I just don't recall seeing any.


It really was such a whole different world, almost primitive in the technology and parts we had compared to now, but we made do and kept going, so thinking back, we really didn't know any different, so that whatever we got was it and we skated it til it was done, squeezed the last drop out of everything, so to speak.


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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2024, 05:31:33 PM »
I still have a set of Trackers with the plastic baseplate and the axles are horribly uneven from slipping.
Being a kid with no money I tended to take it easy on my gear, if that was even possible.

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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2024, 06:36:40 PM »
There was a point where all the axles slipped so bad that tracker just made a truck with a free-floating axle. I was dumb enough to buy them, probably 92-93. I even bought the ones with E-clips instead of actual nuts to hold them on. Big pants small wheels wasn't the only dumb thing we were doing back then. ::)

Indys were the worst, having to smack your truck every few mintues was fucking horrible. Trackers sucked and Gullwings were heavy (until the graphite ones, and the built in riser street shadows <- these kicked ass. Had that gullwing groove, a plastic/composite plate so it was light but the plates was also tall so no need for risers) and turned great: https://www.ebay.com/itm/395531673586?_nkw=Vintage+1980%E2%80%99s+Gullwing+Street+Shadow&itmmeta=01J66576JEQJTB56EFQN3TGD40&hash=item5c17865ff2:g:ULcAAOSw0lNmk6AT&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAABAHoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKlALMx3G8dj%2Fg9miaTARwK18LXwyXOw%2B%2FWcC7MUNLMHO3kvSJOc%2B6G%2Fafotf1j65CKHl5UGQsuaEVZG551QJlfRTvx9joqmPzGEHw3F1ra9Nae%2F6eODGud7odrkofPT1g4cZy7ONemhuzq8Rgwyuj%2Be8gZjd3ZzdNChFqsvFRblMLXOf%2BRsTUgQBIicl9flYaxDjC%2BHpGmTWoS%2BW3AOCywcPrr76fDu2ftLuIBz7uqWk8erBhqA3YThYoxdkg%2FZBy5OdJBxLLrRV3cQqTEsEWuNLSbY04aUSMFR5VYEiR41Nks1%2FKH6%2FmesZMJJ5hDPWp8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6bpnMWxZA

You had Swiss (still pricey back then), NMB (shit) or GMNs (best aside from Swiss). Sealed Metal shields, you rode them until they fell off.

Grip was grip, didn't matter. No perforations, this grit, that grit it was chunky af too.

Bolts were long, pan head too (shudder) and broke all the damn time until Shorty's changed the game. Lots of copper colored bolts too early on.

Kingpins broke all the damn time too once we started jumping down shit. Grind clearance wasn't even a consideration, you didn't worry about it you just barged and ground that shit down.

For the most part, all wheels sucked until the advent of 'street wheels' small at 55mm by yesteryear's standards (when most ran 60+) Mini cubics and shit all asymetrical too...ugh...it wasn't until Slimballs, Alva Rock IIs,  Vision Blurrs and shit for symmetrical wheel, then the OG OG spits hit the scene ('87)...bet no one else remembers how they color coded their duros back then.

Bushings seemed to last (again, the regulations hit and they started splitting/crumbling).

Decks chipped waaaaaaay more and super easily...vert designs on street didn't take impact well.

Thank the maker for New Deal changing the game...shame the were  reboot under dwindle and didn't make a full comeback.

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2024, 07:48:05 PM »
66mm 95a California Pro wheels

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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2024, 11:10:24 PM »
There was a point where all the axles slipped so bad that tracker just made a truck with a free-floating axle. I was dumb enough to buy them, probably 92-93. I even bought the ones with E-clips instead of actual nuts to hold them on. Big pants small wheels wasn't the only dumb thing we were doing back then. ::)

I recall football shape and small wheels had us learning all kinds of flip tricks! Until the board snapped from any trick off the sidewalk

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2024, 07:51:17 AM »
Kingpins use to snap all the time! It was such a regular occurrence. Thunder, venture, krux , destructo,silver, Indy, I broke em all. Then it sort of stopped happening. I haven’t broken a king pin since like 2012. I do wonder what changed.

Rodney Mullen switched us over to grade 8 steel button head instead of grade 5 hex head when he designed the first Tensor truck.

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2024, 07:52:41 AM »
After wheels got so small that the axles stuck out, we spent half the '90s bashing trucks against the sidewalk. A friend of mine was almost arrested because the cop thought he was going on some sort of rampage (albeit, going ape shit on a very specific part of the skateboard). This must have looked strange to the general public, but trucks sure turned better when no one cared about kingpin clearance.

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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2024, 08:47:01 PM »
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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2024, 10:41:59 PM »
On kingpins, I also think how tightly they are set now ie. no vibration makes a huge difference and also possibly why some of the new inverted kp’s come loose…..

Axels still slip but I don’t think it’s like it used to be. 

I recall delams a lot more, also you had so much shit on your board it rattled a lot. 

Fully screened boards was better, and I like to think the bearings were better.  That’s the only things I can think of….

Maybe stickers too….

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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2024, 11:26:21 PM »
Maybe more fashion over function but in the 00s to maybe early 10s people really liked skinny wheels and wanted them especially hard. Core wheels too and I remember autobahn being pretty popular. Maybe the skinnyness +hardness of wheels contributed to how bad they seemed to flatspot in my memory.

People were also really obsessed with having very white wheels. People would keep wheels in the freezer to make them harder and out of sunlight to keep them from turning yellow.

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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2024, 03:11:37 AM »
Maybe more fashion over function but in the 00s to maybe early 10s people really liked skinny wheels and wanted them especially hard. Core wheels too and I remember autobahn being pretty popular. Maybe the skinnyness +hardness of wheels contributed to how bad they seemed to flatspot in my memory.

People were also really obsessed with having very white wheels. People would keep wheels in the freezer to make them harder and out of sunlight to keep them from turning yellow.

I remember that ! I had some 48 element wheels graphic in so white shows only . Those were skinny as! And whiter than a mothafucka too

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Re: Evolution of product Ex. Wheels Trucks Decks
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2024, 01:52:39 PM »
Maybe more fashion over function but in the 00s to maybe early 10s people really liked skinny wheels and wanted them especially hard. Core wheels too and I remember autobahn being pretty popular. Maybe the skinnyness +hardness of wheels contributed to how bad they seemed to flatspot in my memory.

People were also really obsessed with having very white wheels. People would keep wheels in the freezer to make them harder and out of sunlight to keep them from turning yellow.

Surely on the east coast and Midwest it would be hard to run those types of wheels? I mean even in some spots of California it's hard to run anything smaller than like a 54 if you want speed and not have to push every 5 seconds. But I like big wheels, I skate 58mm conical full spitfires that I have dyed black and white in a swilrl pattern.

Also never understood the white wheels thing, always loved the color of the beige/brown color of wheels.

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2024, 01:54:12 PM »
On kingpins, I also think how tightly they are set now ie. no vibration makes a huge difference and also possibly why some of the new inverted kp’s come loose…..

Axels still slip but I don’t think it’s like it used to be. 

I recall delams a lot more, also you had so much shit on your board it rattled a lot. 

Fully screened boards was better, and I like to think the bearings were better.  That’s the only things I can think of….

Maybe stickers too….
Are there any specific reasons you think bearings were better? I'm curious.

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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2024, 01:56:11 PM »
Has anyone noticed that boards chip way less now than in the 2000s? Ive thought it could be because i skate less gaps these days, or the more full kicks, but i swear the wood/glue quality has improved.  Could just be me though