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Re: books to read
« Reply #3270 on: July 02, 2020, 10:07:12 AM »
Posting this cause Ghislaine Maxwell just got arrested by the FBI:

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I feel like the cover makes it look pretty amateurish, and it's written by conservatives, but that aside it's a pretty good rundown of his life, death, & connections. GM is discussed at length as well.

This is a good book review of it:
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/06/jeffrey-epstein-death-capitalism-book-review

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« Reply #3271 on: July 02, 2020, 04:07:57 PM »


I'm 4/5ths of the way through this and so far it is brilliant.

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« Reply #3272 on: July 02, 2020, 09:23:01 PM »
Always been a fan, but as we descend further into our hell world I’ve been appreciating fantasy novels/series even more. Really nice to just turn the analytical side of the brain off and get lost in some solid worldbuilding. 

Gone through the Kingkiller Chronicles 1+2 and the Stormlight Archives 1-3 since quarantine kicked off, as well as the newest First Law book. Starting on the Farseer trilogy.

Anyone else switched to mostly pleasure reading? Any recommendations for non-Jerry Hsu sci fi/fantasy?

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« Reply #3273 on: July 03, 2020, 11:05:24 PM »
Any recommendations for non-Jerry Hsu sci fi/fantasy?

The Winds of Change and Other Stories by Isaac Asimov - read that last summer and it was a chill sci-fi/fantasy collection, first time I've actually read Asimov. You should give some of his stuff a shot!

I've been reading lately:

Stephen King's IT. Really liked it, but yeah there's some weird stuff in there.

The Only Plane in the Sky by Garrett Graff - an oral history of 9/11 - fascinating look at the day itself, just finished.

Cormack McCarthy, Blood Meridian - Solid western, very violent.

Unexplained: Supernatural Stories for Uncertain Times
by Richard MacLean Smith - Didn't really like this one, apparently it's based on a podcast? But I like the X-files so i finished it.

Surprise, Vanish, Kill - Annie Jacobsen. Halfway through, it's basically an interesting look at the history of the CIA.

About to start DUNE. Heard a lot of good things about it, and can't wait, especially with the movie coming out soon.

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« Reply #3274 on: July 04, 2020, 09:05:28 AM »
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About to start DUNE. Heard a lot of good things about it, and can't wait, especially with the movie coming out soon.

Dune is one of my favourites. Theres a really good channel on youtube called Quinns Ideas that explains it all really well too, if you want to really delve into the world.

I've just finished Henry Miller's Tropic of Cancer. Written really well but cant believe it came out in the 1930s, and he really really hates women.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #3275 on: July 04, 2020, 05:21:08 PM »
I’m on a James Baldwin kick

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« Reply #3276 on: July 05, 2020, 10:29:03 PM »
Last big book I finished was The Revisionaries by A.R. Moxon and it was good. A fun read for the most part and inventive, but it was about 600 pages and did not need to be that long. It did too much meta- stuff, focusing on the implications of writing / authorship / creation and those things didn’t gel, and ended up detracting from the totality of the novel. Which sucks because meta- narratives can be interesting and fun and I’m usually for them, but they just flopped here. I’m interested to see how he evolves since this is his first novel though.

Also blew through two novellas, You Should Have Left and The Hole, right after which we’re good ways to reset my reading after going after a big book.

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« Reply #3277 on: July 06, 2020, 01:53:00 PM »
On the SF/fantasy tip, I recently got The Fifth Season/Broken Earth trilogy. Haven't started it yet though.

I don't know if I'm 100% on this author, just based off interviews I've seen, but I'm still looking forward to getting into this:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/903554b54c0c11aa530aefff6ebeded720200706203826/b4a8cf337eb6aec8424b9ab6f87b1d7520200706203853/a55417

Who else is excited about Charlie Kaufman's book coming out tomorrow?

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« Reply #3278 on: July 06, 2020, 02:02:37 PM »
https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/john-dillinger-slept-here-paul-maccabee/1103781240

Cool book about Saint Paul’s underworld.  The old familia store was right in the area this stuff happened. 

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Re: books to read
« Reply #3279 on: July 07, 2020, 08:50:38 AM »
On the SF/fantasy tip, I recently got The Fifth Season/Broken Earth trilogy. Haven't started it yet though.

I don't know if I'm 100% on this author, just based off interviews I've seen, but I'm still looking forward to getting into this:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/903554b54c0c11aa530aefff6ebeded720200706203826/b4a8cf337eb6aec8424b9ab6f87b1d7520200706203853/a55417

Who else is excited about Charlie Kaufman's book coming out tomorrow?

I’ve got Chaos on my to-listen list for my audiobook apps so let me know how it is. What makes you iffy about the author?

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« Reply #3280 on: July 07, 2020, 07:10:49 PM »
The Mysterious Stranger, by Mark Twain.
At least when you're a washed-out hipster douchebag in NY, you can milk it at some decent looking, hard to skate spots. In LA you're just a tan-lined faggot in a school yard somewhere.

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« Reply #3281 on: July 09, 2020, 12:05:52 PM »

Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always


Damn dude you like books written by pedophiles?

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« Reply #3282 on: July 09, 2020, 04:22:25 PM »
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Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always
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Damn dude you like books written by pedophiles?

Let’s be real here, most creative art in circulation has been touched by a pedophile (figuratively) at some point.
At least when you're a washed-out hipster douchebag in NY, you can milk it at some decent looking, hard to skate spots. In LA you're just a tan-lined faggot in a school yard somewhere.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #3283 on: July 09, 2020, 05:33:15 PM »
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Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always
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Damn dude you like books written by pedophiles?
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Let’s be real here, most creative art in circulation has been touched by a pedophile (figuratively) at some point.

further realness, if you're over twenty you've hummed the bassline to thriller more than once and probably even broke it down on the dance floor to that sweet pedo sound.

just read roberto bolano "the skating rink" it's pretty good bolano. starts with a quote about skating that I imagined was about skateboarding, will put it in later can't remember right now.

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« Reply #3284 on: July 09, 2020, 07:30:08 PM »
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Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always
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Damn dude you like books written by pedophiles?
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Let’s be real here, most creative art in circulation has been touched by a pedophile (figuratively) at some point.
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further realness, if you're over twenty you've hummed the bassline to thriller more than once and probably even broke it down on the dance floor to that sweet pedo sound.

just read roberto bolano "the skating rink" it's pretty good bolano. starts with a quote about skating that I imagined was about skateboarding, will put it in later can't remember right now.

Fucking weird. SLAP defending pedophiles. And no I've never liked Michael Jackson

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« Reply #3285 on: July 09, 2020, 09:46:29 PM »
I just got Orwell’s 1984

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« Reply #3286 on: July 10, 2020, 08:26:19 AM »
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Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always
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Damn dude you like books written by pedophiles?

Why not?

I've got some good stuff in rotation, y'all. Was perusing the NYRB title list and they've got a ton of underrated/somewhat obscure books:


Just dipped into this one. Real good, so far, and not too long. After that:

Stoner.

Learned about this one in the NYRB list, but opted for the cheapy Wordsworth edition. Late eighteenth century novel about a Calvinist who believes he's one of the saved and sets out to murder the unsaved. Supposed to be pretty trippy.

Compilation of short pieces by an early-20th-century Austrian prodigy. The title piece is a fake letter to Francis Bacon about the eponymous narrator's language crisis. In another piece, a guy meets his Doppelgänger on the battlefield.

Finally.

Supposed to be funny. Love RLS.

More confessions; different sins.

Philosophy stuff

Kant is not fun to read, but I need to read this one.

Deleuze spices things up. I like him as a historian of philosophy.

Sterner rules. Trying to adopt his egoist ethic as my own.

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« Reply #3287 on: July 10, 2020, 08:53:36 AM »
I’ve had Stoner on my shelf for years and always forget about it. I have to get around to it sooner than later. Thanks for the reminder!

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« Reply #3288 on: July 10, 2020, 09:59:18 AM »
I’ve had Stoner on my shelf for years and always forget about it. I have to get around to it sooner than later. Thanks for the reminder!

NP, dude. I've put it off for too long, myself. Williams' prose doesn't quite pull you in, but I feel like it pays to stick with him.

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« Reply #3289 on: July 10, 2020, 01:12:12 PM »
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Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always
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Damn dude you like books written by pedophiles?
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Why not?

I've got some good stuff in rotation, y'all. Was perusing the NYRB title list and they've got a ton of underrated/somewhat obscure books:


Just dipped into this one. Real good, so far, and not too long. After that:

Stoner.

Learned about this one in the NYRB list, but opted for the cheapy Wordsworth edition. Late eighteenth century novel about a Calvinist who believes he's one of the saved and sets out to murder the unsaved. Supposed to be pretty trippy.

Compilation of short pieces by an early-20th-century Austrian prodigy. The title piece is a fake letter to Francis Bacon about the eponymous narrator's language crisis. In another piece, a guy meets his Doppelgänger on the battlefield.

Finally.

Supposed to be funny. Love RLS.

More confessions; different sins.

Philosophy stuff

Kant is not fun to read, but I need to read this one.

Deleuze spices things up. I like him as a historian of philosophy.

Sterner rules. Trying to adopt his egoist ethic as my own.


Why not? You're really asking why not get into the writings of a pedophile? What the fuck is wrong with you?

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« Reply #3290 on: July 10, 2020, 01:23:02 PM »
Dude, no one is defending him for his NAMBLA writings but if you have an interest in anarchism and you want to read about the political structure and theory behind it, you’re doing a great disservice by not being familiar with Hakim Bey. From there, you can have a discussion of how to develop the philosophy beyond his influence, whether that poisons a lot / all of his ideas, etc. and some anarchists have had that conversation.

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« Reply #3291 on: July 10, 2020, 03:16:43 PM »
Also, what might "getting into" the writings of a pedophile entail? Is the lust for prepubescent youth contagious? Can't one think about things in the abstract without poisoning one's mind?

Bey (birth name Peter Lamborn Wilson) never writes explicitly about man/boy love in his political stuff, though I guess it'd be up to the interpreter to gauge how much his visions of insurrectionary anarchism might be undergirded by his "libidinal" desires. I'm sure 99.9% of the readers he has inspired over the years have not had or wanted to have anything to do with pedophilia, and there are plenty of people out there (gay men, in the stuff that I've read - and here, I like to think I'm broadening my horizons, to think more thoroughly beyond the initial horror-reflex when faced with the existence of pederasty/pedophilia) who openly acknowledge that pederastic relationships played into their formative experience *edit* in positive ways (!). Of course, this has not been my experience in life, so I can't speak much further than that. I can think about it, though, and I'm not worse for wear.

I guess I sympathize with the argument that someone might refuse to support a pedophile writer financially, on moral/ philosophical grounds, but then again, being that just about all of Bey's stuff is available on anarchist websites for free, idk.

Why is there something "wrong" with someone who reads the words a pederast has written? Just about everybody in Ancient Greece was doing it, and their writers have been revered as foundational to western culture for thousands of years now.

Everybody and their mother has a favorite true crime podcast, and we're all fascinated by account of serial killers. Why no knee-jerk revulsion there?
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« Reply #3292 on: July 10, 2020, 03:24:22 PM »
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« Reply #3293 on: July 10, 2020, 08:41:39 PM »
peter zagreus, my take on why the special disgust for pedophilia is in a word, homophobia. As evidence of this, I direct anyone's attention to the plethora of "barely legal" straight porn that remains ever popular, and the fact that Lolita is so frequently referenced as a great contemporary novel.  Doubt they'd be teaching Lolito in creative writing workshops, but sounds ripe for slash fic if it isn't already.

To be clear, I am in no way advocating for the sexualization of children, just pointing out a gendered double standard in the modern attitude towards it. If you'd said that Bey married a 16 year old girl, would noses have bent and hackles raised I wonder.

my mother has no fav true crime podcast, but I suspect the success of "The girl who kicked the hornet's nest" owes much to its finding a way to present the graphic molestation of a minor in a way that middle class audiences could feel okay about watching.
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« Reply #3294 on: July 10, 2020, 08:59:15 PM »
peter zagreus, my take on why the special disgust for pedophilia is in a word, homophobia. As evidence of this, I direct anyone's attention to the plethora of "barely legal" straight porn that remains ever popular, and the fact that Lolita is so frequently referenced as a great contemporary novel.  Doubt they'd be teaching Lolito in creative writing workshops, but sounds ripe for slash fic if it isn't already.

To be clear, I am in no way advocating for the sexualization of children, just pointing out a gendered double standard in the modern attitude towards it. If you'd said that Bey married a 16 year old girl, would noses have bent and hackles raised I wonder.

my mother has no fav true crime podcast, but I suspect the success of "The girl who kicked the hornet's nest" owes much to its finding a way to present the graphic molestation of a minor in a way that middle class audiences could feel okay about watching.

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« Reply #3295 on: July 10, 2020, 09:11:08 PM »
There is definitely a homophobic angle, particularly when you remember that “gay = child molester” is a favorite scare tactic anti-LGBTQ people (despite the fact that the vast majority of child milestones regardless of victim identify as straight).

I will disagree on your Lolita point though. That novel is a great novel for many reasons despite the plot and anyone who has read it with a critical mind should recognize that it in no way, shape, or form is valorizing pedophilia. It instead shows the mastery of manipulation often behind pedophilia by a terrible person that Nabokov clearly hated. (Side note, several Nabokov scholars believe he was sexually abused to some degree by one of his uncles so even though Nabokov himself would hate taking this into account when analyzing Lolita, it definitely gives the story another layer.)

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« Reply #3296 on: July 10, 2020, 10:13:30 PM »
oyolar, lolita is indisputably well-written (if not particularly my cup of tea), I only meant to question whether it would have had the same success if it were "Lolito" and I believe it would not. I suspect the premise of a relationship between humbert humbert and a 12 year old boy would have gone over like a sack of rocks carrying kittens to the bottom of the brine, regardless of its literary qualities.

I generally like your recommendations on here, maybe I'll give Lolita another try sometime, I read it a long time ago and was pretty young.

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« Reply #3297 on: July 11, 2020, 08:20:01 AM »
Ah fair point and I get what you’re saying. Misread it the first time.

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Re: books to read
« Reply #3298 on: July 11, 2020, 09:07:30 AM »
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Hell yeah. Hakim Bey is always a fun read, but - full transparency - he was affiliated with NAMBLA and is definitely a proponent of man-boy love. Just FYI. I think most of his stuff is great.

I'm in grad school, so I have to pack in all my free reading over the summer. Right now I've got a bunch of stuff in rotation, including:
Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy
Revisiting a bunch of Henry Miller stuff
Philosophical works of Bataille, plus Blue of Noon
Carlyle's Sartor Resartus (sort of school related)
William Blake (hoping to read Northrup Frye in conjunction, but this might be asking too much)
Nietzsche, always
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Butchers Crossing I really liked and have Stoner on shelve aswell but not read it yet either,
first finishing up McCarthy's Border triology which has been great and I'm dreading the end abit but as I haven't read any other McCarthy (not sure why) Ive got somethings to look forward to.

also read Olga Tokarczuk's Drive your plough over the bones of the dead after it being recommended on here and enjoyed that too, albeit flimsy ''plottwist''

the Hugo von Hoffmanstahl one sounds nice, read it yet? would love to know if it is worth picking up somewheres

have you heard about this one:

https://www.amazon.com/So-Called-Utopia-Centre-Beaubourg-Interpretation/dp/B01FJ33QO4

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« Reply #3299 on: July 11, 2020, 10:30:47 AM »

Butchers Crossing I really liked and have Stoner on shelve aswell but not read it yet either,
first finishing up McCarthy's Border triology which has been great and I'm dreading the end abit but as I haven't read any other McCarthy (not sure why) Ive got somethings to look forward to.

also read Olga Tokarczuk's Drive your plough over the bones of the dead after it being recommended on here and enjoyed that too, albeit flimsy ''plottwist''

the Hugo von Hoffmanstahl one sounds nice, read it yet? would love to know if it is worth picking up somewheres

have you heard about this one:

https://www.amazon.com/So-Called-Utopia-Centre-Beaubourg-Interpretation/dp/B01FJ33QO4

One of these days, one of us is gonna read Stoner!
You do, indeed, have a lot to look forward to with McCarthy. Child of God and Suttree are probably my favorites of his, but of course you absolutely have to read Blood Meridian. There's nothing else like it.

The von Hoffmanstahl is actually being delivered this afternoon, and I'll probably get into it after Butcher's Crossing. In concept, it seems...Borgesian, but maybe not. I'll post something about it within the week, probably.

As for the Centre Beaubourg (so called), no, I hadn't even heard of it before, which is sort of surprising given my casual interest in the history utopian communities and general familiarity with 20th century French thought. I'm surprised I didn't come across a mention of it in Baudrillard. Maybe I did, and just didn't follow the trail. Anyway, I'm gonna look into that. Thanks for the tip.

Have you read the book?