Indy cross making a comeback?

[ferguu]

Hey turns out the modern German army still uses the symbol. Who knew? I always thought Germany were trying very hard to distance themselves from their past.

All I know is if it would make Dimothy happy it probably should not come to pass.

[Síota]

I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

I'm looking at replacing my gas hob with an induction plate. Anyone got experience with them and cast iron cookware?

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I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

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I'm looking at replacing my gas hob with an induction plate. Anyone got experience with them and cast iron cookware?

I have both and they work great on either. Skin side up/down brah.

Hopefully you can find an induction plate without some shitty old logo on it.

[TwisT]

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I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

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I'm looking at replacing my gas hob with an induction plate. Anyone got experience with them and cast iron cookware?

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I have both and they work great on either. Skin side up/down brah.

Hopefully you can find an induction plate without some shitty old logo on it.

Indy reps desperately monitoring this thread trying the test the temperature of bringing the crosss back


But anyone have suggestions for cast iron cooking on an electric stovetop. I feel like mine old pan never heating evenly

[Rick Trapasso]

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I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

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I'm looking at replacing my gas hob with an induction plate. Anyone got experience with them and cast iron cookware?

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I have both and they work great on either. Skin side up/down brah.

Hopefully you can find an induction plate without some shitty old logo on it.

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Indy reps desperately monitoring this thread trying the test the temperature of bringing the crosss back


But anyone have suggestions for cast iron cooking on an electric stovetop. I feel like mine old pan never heating evenly

Yea, gas is definitely preferable. When/if I move, having a gas range will be a priority.

Electric takes so long and is uneven as hell. Not a fan.

[peterpenis]

Never really had an opinion about the cross other than the people wishing for the logo to come back seem whack. Maybe for a few people the cross represents a special time in their life but other than that missing a cross is weird at best and some form of right wing culture war at worst.
If Indy feels like pandering to these guys is good for profits that’s unfortunate but we’re talking about Indy. Everything about this company is off putting. The marketing, the image, rhino throwing lawnmowers in a parking lot. But for me the indys still work the best. I don’t like apple but MacBooks still work best for my work… might be sad that buying skate stuff boils down to a business transaction but it is what it is

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I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

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I'm looking at replacing my gas hob with an induction plate. Anyone got experience with them and cast iron cookware?

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I have both and they work great on either. Skin side up/down brah.

Hopefully you can find an induction plate without some shitty old logo on it.

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Indy reps desperately monitoring this thread trying the test the temperature of bringing the crosss back


But anyone have suggestions for cast iron cooking on an electric stovetop. I feel like mine old pan never heating evenly

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Yea, gas is definitely preferable. When/if I move, having a gas range will be a priority.

Electric takes so long and is uneven as hell. Not a fan.

Really!!  I’ve have electric stoves for the past 15yrs and use cast iron a lot and honestly they get too hot when set to 5/10.   Not the biggest fan of gas appliances because of the combustion safety issues with burners after awhile

[JM]

(The cross is problematic. Leave it off. Makes sense)

But this logo is dog shit without something in the middle.



The collab with Hockey burning man makes the logo look better in that showing something in the middle makes it better. (See below)

The diamond is great… they really should just go all in on it. (It’s already on the hardware and looks chill as hell).

Copying spitfire is fine, too. Everyone copies. And it accentuates the diamond nicely.

[Spunkchild]

Indy is doing the “Mastercard supports the San Francisco LGBTQ Parade” but for guys who post hate comments on every single Marbie instagram.

Why ditch it and come back? Weak ass spines

Maybe instead of bringing back the hardo biker cross you could hire a decent graphic designer who won’t make that terrible wobbly trucks Target^tm graphic

Fausto didn’t skate etc whatever its business mayne

[brownbeyg]

Shops are gonna have to prebook case sets of the *limited iron cross baseplate and get the apparel too in order for this to work

[Allen.]

They realize they can just get away with it now

[white monster]

Those are all ass compared to the cross let's be real

[white monster]

It's only problematic for people who like to create problems and see nazi imigary in everything and use the word fascism. Just left wing schizos.

[rolling is good]

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Some of you guys are crazy.
The Indy cross looks like an iron cross just like any cross looks like one. (1)
Should we ban them all ? (2)
And every national symbols because the far right likes them ? (3)
Of course not.
I'm not religious but the Indy cross is a nice logo, if they dropped it to please the pre-Trump cultural climate it's lame.
If they use it again it is also lame as it shows they have no backbone.

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1. Just not true
2. No one is calling for a ban on anything. Just redesign the logo and move on.
3. There's a difference between continuing to use something for it's original purpose that has now been appropriated by racists because you don't want to back down to them (I.E a european church's cross on the architecture) and appropriating imagery after it has already been appropriated by racists (I.E Independent using the Iron Cross after it was established as fascist iconography). If Ace trucks used a Swastika as their logo, would you argue that because it was the Hindu symbol of peace before that, then therefore it's cool? Or is the difference just the fact that the Iron Cross is slightly lesser known?

I guess I don't see it "appropriated by racists" as much as you and some people do. 
The swastika is striking at first glance, its meaning leaves no doubt since its appropriation by the nazis.

I'm surprised the German army still uses the iron cross though.

Indy's dithering and incoherence is the problem.
They talk about the logo, say it's not hateful yet they dropped it years ago.
https://independenttrucks.com/our-logo

[alien porkchop]

It's only problematic for people who like to create problems and see nazi imigary in everything and use the word fascism. Just left wing schizos.

poser

[Useless_wooden_lurker]

It's only problematic for people who like to create problems and see nazi imigary in everything and use the word fascism. Just left wing schizos.

Focus your life.

[rikki]

I don't think Hewitt has much of an educated idea with regards to the baggage of the symbol. He's from Gnaria, the place of no opposites other than skate or die.

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I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

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I'm looking at replacing my gas hob with an induction plate. Anyone got experience with them and cast iron cookware?

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I have both and they work great on either. Skin side up/down brah.

Hopefully you can find an induction plate without some shitty old logo on it.

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Indy reps desperately monitoring this thread trying the test the temperature of bringing the crosss back


But anyone have suggestions for cast iron cooking on an electric stovetop. I feel like mine old pan never heating evenly

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Yea, gas is definitely preferable. When/if I move, having a gas range will be a priority.

Electric takes so long and is uneven as hell. Not a fan.

Brah the art of making oatmeal porridge is perfected on a modern ceramic electric stove.

[FrAnKenFrEd]

I think most educated people knew the Indy cross was a Maltese Cross inspired by a Time Mag photo of the Pope and designed by Jim Phillips.

However, Indy caved under pressure during the heavy days of racial reckoning post-George Floyd murder. And if it looked vaguely Nazi to some... why not move on? I for one, gave no shits about it disappearing... I have no idea why people held on to it so much. Now Indy looks doubly stupid for caving once again. And under this current political climate if gives some weird credibility to the anti-woke crowd, which is problematic.

 The truth is Indy was unable to re-brand itself successfully. I think they've fucked themselves. At one point in history they were the most important brand in skateboarding and now... they are confused...

[the canadian suit]

Posting your sticker package. Hard post. Not much going on over at the Hewitt household.

[V Badun]

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It's only problematic for people who like to create problems and see nazi imigary in everything and use the word fascism. Just left wing schizos.

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Focus your life.

You are telling someone to kill himself? Wow

[Hqjdncm]

I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

I recently got a spring steel comal for warming tortillas but have been reading up on it more and started cooking bacon on it to help season it and boy am I glad I bought it !
I told myself if I can properly care for this then in a year I’ll get a cast iron pan

[jgonzalez]

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I recently got a spring steel comal for warming tortillas but have been reading up on it more and started cooking bacon on it to help season it and boy am I glad I bought it !
I told myself if I can properly care for this then in a year I’ll get a cast iron pan

I would recommend checking out cookware sections of thrift stores.you’ll find something eventually and anything lodge will be good. Don’t need vintage necessarily.

Avoid the pans with grooves on the cooking surface. I went to goodwill and saw like 5 of them haha also saw a couple of good pans but I don’t need more.

 No matter how gnarly it is you can bring a pan back to life. If you need help just post somewhere here.

Got lucky with an 80s lodge frying pan the other day at a thrift store. Skipped on an old Wagner corn bread pan since I would never use it. I’m hoping to find one of those cast iron muffin pans tho.

[Sandwich Marty]

“Indy bringing back the cast iron cross”

[theoriginalgoon]

I think we all need to calm down and just discuss some cast iron cookware like adults.

is using my griswold cast iron pan considered racist because it also has a cross on it

[SwitchBenihana]

I wasn't initially a big induction fan, but it's so good now that you can actually wok fry on some stoves with more finite temp control than gas.

My take on this is likely overly simplistic. From the research I've done this symbol is also still used by the US military as a bravery medal. It originated in the 1800's, and was used along side various WW2 symbols that all suck. It seems to have been largely unnoticed as a counter culture symbol until recently. It isn't classified as a hate symbol by the ADL or most groups as far as I can tell. It's in a grey area.

At the same time it does bother people and if it's enough critical mass then those opinions matter. I'm not about to wear it. I love riding Indy's and likely won't switch, but it does make it a bit gross. We also need to acknowledge the "bring back the cross"'personalities exist at Ace even if they don't have it on their merch. This personality is the problem: the "fuck you" attitude that prioritizes dog whistling of sketchy behavior. They're the same people that only pretend to like female and underrepresented skaters if they behave exactly like the white males in their peer group.

Indy needs to be mature and take a stance. Either they come out and say they don't find it offensive and keep it on or they do and keep it off. Removing and adding to sell t-shirts is really shitty looking and probably the least respectable angle. And I just gave away my TII....

[Kielwasser]

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Some of you guys are crazy.
The Indy cross looks like an iron cross just like any cross looks like one. (1)
Should we ban them all ? (2)
And every national symbols because the far right likes them ? (3)
Of course not.
I'm not religious but the Indy cross is a nice logo, if they dropped it to please the pre-Trump cultural climate it's lame.
If they use it again it is also lame as it shows they have no backbone.

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1. Just not true
2. No one is calling for a ban on anything. Just redesign the logo and move on.
3. There's a difference between continuing to use something for it's original purpose that has now been appropriated by racists because you don't want to back down to them (I.E a european church's cross on the architecture) and appropriating imagery after it has already been appropriated by racists (I.E Independent using the Iron Cross after it was established as fascist iconography). If Ace trucks used a Swastika as their logo, would you argue that because it was the Hindu symbol of peace before that, then therefore it's cool? Or is the difference just the fact that the Iron Cross is slightly lesser known?

Personally fuck em. I guess there's a certain level of plausible deniability of 'We didn't know all the racist undertones and connotations of the logo when we made it, but now seeing them and coming to terms with it, we're no longer using it'

However after they've already admitted this (even if only by removing the logo from circulation) and then rereleasing it. What are we supposed to assume? That now they're very well aware that it's racist iconography, and they're super cool with it.

I wasn't even that bothered by it all in the first place but after all of the clearly racist people came out of the woodwork trying to bring it back, let it fucking die. Now it's not even the Independent logo anymore, it's become a provocative symbol within skateboarding used by idiots like Tim Pool to gloat at the fact they can still buy something with racists undertones just to get one over on the 'woke mob', it's just for saddos.

I know i've harped on about this a lot on these boards but part of this situation stems from the fact that skateboarding is trapped in this shitification of degrading, old brands who clearly don't have any capabilities of rebranding and moving culture forward. They've been stuck in a cycle of trying to appeal to 40 year olds with cash while offering nothing new and exciting for the culture. This is easy and cheap for them because the people who run the brands are just appealing to themselves and rely on churning out things like reissues, old logos, collectors editions. Over the last decade it's just bred a community that shuns change, new ideas and rewards safety and nostalgia over risk and creativity. Err hello, we were meant to be fucking skateboarders?

Goddamn you elegant beautiful sunofabidge. My thoughts exactly. The world has moved on, we're in the middle of a fascist takeover, it's not the gleefully oblivious 80s/90s anymore where this shit was "edgy" if slightly ignorant. Today it is in full awareness of its implications that you go back to a logo like this.

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It's only problematic for people who like to create problems and see nazi imigary in everything and use the word fascism. Just left wing schizos.

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Focus your life.

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You are telling someone to kill himself? Wow

Dude is likely a nazi himself or some kind of bigot with that username …i agree these people need to self delete

[white monster]

I back socialism and drink white monsters but thanks for proving my point 

[Sloppy]

Now that they have removed it for the reasons stated it makes little sense bringing it back. I think they should have just kept it as I think most people didn't percieve it as racist. Hell, even the ADL seem to think it's fine. That shp has sailed though, so bringinging it back is way more of a statement than having it in the first place. I still don't percieve it as racist, more like a weak edgelord move.