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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2008, 01:55:53 PM »
Am i the only person that doesn't want skateboarders to go broke? I want corporations to pump even more money into skateboarding. The more money companies have, the more likely they are to give me free shit for skateboarding.
This is the mentality that most kids have I noticed, the realization that the chance of getting hooked up is even slimmer than before may slim skateboarding down big time.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2008, 02:10:17 PM »
Yes, don't care about free shit, or the skaters that are getting paid now, or most skaters in general. Just bring back slicks, good graphics, good original art direction, and videos that are actually fun to watch.

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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2008, 02:11:21 PM »
Am i the only person that doesn't want skateboarders to go broke? I want corporations to pump even more money into skateboarding. The more money companies have, the more likely they are to give me free shit for skateboarding.

A little selfish are we?

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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2008, 02:24:15 PM »
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Am i the only person that doesn't want skateboarders to go broke? I want corporations to pump even more money into skateboarding. The more money companies have, the more likely they are to give me free shit for skateboarding.
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A little selfish are we?

naaah, he's just typical and young. a shame though that that's become typical.

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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2008, 03:46:43 PM »
Stoaked if it finally dies down.

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« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2008, 03:48:23 PM »
I better not lose my B- team status.

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« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2008, 04:21:51 PM »
I just hope Doug isn't affect by this   :-[




Edit: Ok, I grabbed the first photo I saw but then I'm like WTF?!?!  Someone stacked milk crates and is making money off selling them.  Industry, you need to contract a bit.
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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2008, 05:03:16 PM »
Someone run that guy over asap.

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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2008, 05:32:25 PM »
I just hope Doug isn't affect by this   :-[




Edit: Ok, I grabbed the first photo I saw but then I'm like WTF?!?!  Someone stacked milk crates and is making money off selling them.  Industry, you need to contract a bit.

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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2008, 05:42:21 PM »
Active cut so many employees.  They cut the warehouse dudes (that actually skated), mailorder dudes (that actually skated), and all the inventory managers.  Plus each employee got a five percent pay cut.  Now when you order from this disgusting company, the package you get wont be packed by skateboarders but by mexican temp agencies illegal women.  This is real talk! 

P.S. its not like this company had a good rep anyways, just thought i would share with you all.

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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2008, 05:59:55 PM »
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Am i the only person that doesn't want skateboarders to go broke? I want corporations to pump even more money into skateboarding. The more money companies have, the more likely they are to give me free shit for skateboarding.
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naaah, he's just typical and young. a shame though that that's become typical.

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I'm sorry, but i have a job and i realize that working is quite possibly the worst thing ever. If i didn't have to get a job to support my skateboarding i wouldn't even care about getting hooked up. Another thing If it's downsized this means most of slap's favorite skateboarders' salaries are getting cut. Just because those dudes are popular on here doesn't mean anyone in the real world gives 2 shits about those niggas.


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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2008, 06:05:47 PM »

I'm glad it's falling apart. The skate industry needs a good, stiff recession to balance out the hipsters with the people that actually skate. A bunch of these skaters need a good dose of reality also.

I am curious who are these "hipsters that don't actually skate" you are always complaining about? I really can't think of any pros that don't skate and therefore would be cut because of the industry downsizing.

Yeah, maybe a few "pros" will be cut, but for the most part the real people being hurt are the guys working in the warehouse, doing sales, working at the shops etc. and more often than not these are the guys that "actually skate". I would be great if only the BS phony skate companies that go out of business, but so far it seems like a lot of good companies (listen for example) will also be destroyed in this mess. making this "bursting bubble" not as cool as a lot of people think.
 

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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2008, 06:32:42 PM »
More than likely, it's simply be a case of "If you make us more more money than you cost, you can stay." Seems to be the way it is in every other industry. I doubt how core or hip a person is matters too much.
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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2008, 08:03:59 PM »

I am curious who are these "hipsters that don't actually skate" you are always complaining about? I really can't think of any pros that don't skate and therefore would be cut because of the industry downsizing.

Yeah, maybe a few "pros" will be cut, but for the most part the real people being hurt are the guys working in the warehouse, doing sales, working at the shops etc. and more often than not these are the guys that "actually skate". I would be great if only the BS phony skate companies that go out of business, but so far it seems like a lot of good companies (listen for example) will also be destroyed in this mess. making this "bursting bubble" not as cool as a lot of people think.
 

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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2008, 08:54:56 PM »
I cant believe some of you guys rejoicing in people losing their jobs doing something they love just so skating can be considered 'underground'.
Skateboarding should be what YOU make it.
There has always been 'business' trying to exploit it since it began, and I doubt that will go away soon.

No one seems to be taking into consideration that this downturn will probably affect your favorite skater owned companies and mom and pop shops the most. The mega corps have enough money to try and weather the storm.

If it were not for the 'hipsters and casual skateboarders' these layoffs would probably be more than triple the size.

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« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2008, 10:38:15 PM »
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I'm glad it's falling apart. The skate industry needs a good, stiff recession to balance out the hipsters with the people that actually skate. A bunch of these skaters need a good dose of reality also.
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I am curious who are these "hipsters that don't actually skate" you are always complaining about? I really can't think of any pros that don't skate and therefore would be cut because of the industry downsizing.

Yeah, maybe a few "pros" will be cut, but for the most part the real people being hurt are the guys working in the warehouse, doing sales, working at the shops etc. and more often than not these are the guys that "actually skate". I would be great if only the BS phony skate companies that go out of business, but so far it seems like a lot of good companies (listen for example) will also be destroyed in this mess. making this "bursting bubble" not as cool as a lot of people think.
 

Hipsters are the dead weight leeching off the industry thanks to the "bro system". They're just random "friends of friends" of pros, flow kids and their buddies, etc. They take tons of free product, get jobs that companies only create for them to have because they are so "down," etc. When you've got all of this extra weight, it drives the price of your goods up. That's why there is such a disparity between the price of a blank board and a graphic board, even when they are produced in the same place.

And yeah, some little guys are going to go under. So what? Being cool does not entitle you to an easy living doing participating in a recreational activity. A large part of the problems we are having today are due to this false sense of entitlement a lot of skateboarders suddenly have. If these guys care about it so much, they can do it while going to school and having a job like the rest of us. I don't have any sympathy for them.

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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2008, 04:58:46 AM »
I still don't understand why you call leeches 'hipsters'? how they hip?

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« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2008, 06:33:33 AM »
I just hope Doug isn't affect by this   :-[




Edit: Ok, I grabbed the first photo I saw but then I'm like WTF?!?!  Someone stacked milk crates and is making money off selling them.  Industry, you need to contract a bit.
he landed that?

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« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2008, 08:02:54 AM »
I think they photoshopped the trampoline he was bouncing on out of the image.


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« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2008, 08:15:08 AM »
I still don't understand why you call leeches 'hipsters'? how they hip?

It's just a derogatory term I assign to all of them. Most of them are hipsters and "sneaker heads," and other gay shit like that.

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« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2008, 08:51:59 AM »
they should stop firing people and start spending more money on pushing their brand and letting their consumers as well as their investors know that they aren't going anywhere. 
spending drives the economy but by making cutbacks, they are more or less leading themselves into a recession and eventual bankruptcy.  but hey thats just 1 mans opinion.   



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« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2008, 08:57:03 AM »
Any good business man will tell you a sure fire way to conserve capital is to reduce your spending.
Employee's are always the first line to go. I agree that your idea sounds good but when we know you can have 1 person do the work that 2 or 3 usually do then it makes the decision that much easier.
Only problem is then a lot of stuff falls by the wayside.

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« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2008, 09:26:57 AM »
Any good business man will tell you a sure fire way to conserve capital is to reduce your spending.
Employee's are always the first line to go. I agree that your idea sounds good but when we know you can have 1 person do the work that 2 or 3 usually do then it makes the decision that much easier.
Only problem is then a lot of stuff falls by the wayside.

the problem with this is that usually 1 guy doesn't want to do 3 peoples jobs.  they'll tolerate the workload for a little while but it only a matter of time before they feel they're being slaved and unappreciated and they eventually quit.

i worked at a dotcom back in the days and thats pretty much what happened to me.  they cut 2 people trying to save money which left me doing 3 peoples jobs for 1 persons pay.  i did it for a little while expecting to get some sort of raise but i got nothing.  they were paying the 2 people $100K combined.  if they gave me a $25K raise they would've still save $75K and i would've been happy to stay but they weren't trying to give me shit.  they expected me to work all 3 jobs on top of working on weekends since it was a huge workload.  it didn't help being on salary since i was making the same money even if i work 60+ hours a week.  unless you're desperate for work, you're going to quit, i quit. 


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« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2008, 11:25:41 AM »
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Any good business man will tell you a sure fire way to conserve capital is to reduce your spending.
Employee's are always the first line to go. I agree that your idea sounds good but when we know you can have 1 person do the work that 2 or 3 usually do then it makes the decision that much easier.
Only problem is then a lot of stuff falls by the wayside.
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the problem with this is that usually 1 guy doesn't want to do 3 peoples jobs.  they'll tolerate the workload for a little while but it only a matter of time before they feel they're being slaved and unappreciated and they eventually quit.

i worked at a dotcom back in the days and thats pretty much what happened to me.  they cut 2 people trying to save money which left me doing 3 peoples jobs for 1 persons pay.  i did it for a little while expecting to get some sort of raise but i got nothing.  they were paying the 2 people $100K combined.  if they gave me a $25K raise they would've still save $75K and i would've been happy to stay but they weren't trying to give me shit.  they expected me to work all 3 jobs on top of working on weekends since it was a huge workload.  it didn't help being on salary since i was making the same money even if i work 60+ hours a week.  unless you're desperate for work, you're going to quit, i quit. 



A lot of the guys in this situation aren't exactly doing $100,000 worth of work though. Warehouse jobs and stuff like that are super easy if you can do physical labor, and I'm guessing here there were people who were taking a lot of downtime. Also, the skate industry is unique in this aspect -- people will quit at a dotcom because no one actually wants to work at EvilFaceless Incorporated. On the other hand, for the average dropout wannabe pro skater, working in a warehouse in California beside your favorite pros for forty hours a week is like a dream job. It's not much of a living for any of us, but they see it as being around skateboarding while still having enough money to actually eat once in a while. 

I do feel bad for the migrant Mexican slaves Jamie Thomas "employed" and then kicked to the curb though. I don't think they get unemployment over there, and it's not like these people were making enough to actually be able to save anything.That is one good thing about Barack Obama being elected. This "free trade" bullshit is a huge scam, and when the rest of the world is under economic socialism, and wages there are artificially low, there is nothing "capitalist" about sending jobs over there. Unfair competition is just being placed on the American worker -- stifling wages and hurting consumer spending.

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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2008, 07:19:54 PM »
I just hope Doug isn't affect by this   :-[




Edit: Ok, I grabbed the first photo I saw but then I'm like WTF?!?!  Someone stacked milk crates and is making money off selling them.  Industry, you need to contract a bit.

I have a feeling Land Wave is in trouble. They've got some serious competition from...




Thank god he has knee pads on, that looks dangerous.

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« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2008, 07:27:50 PM »
hipsters....blank boards....i'm going back to the hockey thread.....

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« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2008, 08:05:00 PM »
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Any good business man will tell you a sure fire way to conserve capital is to reduce your spending.
Employee's are always the first line to go. I agree that your idea sounds good but when we know you can have 1 person do the work that 2 or 3 usually do then it makes the decision that much easier.
Only problem is then a lot of stuff falls by the wayside.
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the problem with this is that usually 1 guy doesn't want to do 3 peoples jobs.  they'll tolerate the workload for a little while but it only a matter of time before they feel they're being slaved and unappreciated and they eventually quit.

i worked at a dotcom back in the days and thats pretty much what happened to me.  they cut 2 people trying to save money which left me doing 3 peoples jobs for 1 persons pay.  i did it for a little while expecting to get some sort of raise but i got nothing.  they were paying the 2 people $100K combined.  if they gave me a $25K raise they would've still save $75K and i would've been happy to stay but they weren't trying to give me shit.  they expected me to work all 3 jobs on top of working on weekends since it was a huge workload.  it didn't help being on salary since i was making the same money even if i work 60+ hours a week.  unless you're desperate for work, you're going to quit, i quit. 


To clarify I wasn't agreeing that its the way of the world, just stating how I perceive things to be.

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« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2008, 07:19:18 AM »
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Any good business man will tell you a sure fire way to conserve capital is to reduce your spending.
Employee's are always the first line to go. I agree that your idea sounds good but when we know you can have 1 person do the work that 2 or 3 usually do then it makes the decision that much easier.
Only problem is then a lot of stuff falls by the wayside.
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the problem with this is that usually 1 guy doesn't want to do 3 peoples jobs.  they'll tolerate the workload for a little while but it only a matter of time before they feel they're being slaved and unappreciated and they eventually quit.

i worked at a dotcom back in the days and thats pretty much what happened to me.  they cut 2 people trying to save money which left me doing 3 peoples jobs for 1 persons pay.  i did it for a little while expecting to get some sort of raise but i got nothing.  they were paying the 2 people $100K combined.  if they gave me a $25K raise they would've still save $75K and i would've been happy to stay but they weren't trying to give me shit.  they expected me to work all 3 jobs on top of working on weekends since it was a huge workload.  it didn't help being on salary since i was making the same money even if i work 60+ hours a week.  unless you're desperate for work, you're going to quit, i quit. 


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A lot of the guys in this situation aren't exactly doing $100,000 worth of work though. Warehouse jobs and stuff like that are super easy if you can do physical labor, and I'm guessing here there were people who were taking a lot of downtime. Also, the skate industry is unique in this aspect -- people will quit at a dotcom because no one actually wants to work at EvilFaceless Incorporated. On the other hand, for the average dropout wannabe pro skater, working in a warehouse in California beside your favorite pros for forty hours a week is like a dream job. It's not much of a living for any of us, but they see it as being around skateboarding while still having enough money to actually eat once in a while. 

I do feel bad for the migrant Mexican slaves Jamie Thomas "employed" and then kicked to the curb though. I don't think they get unemployment over there, and it's not like these people were making enough to actually be able to save anything.That is one good thing about Barack Obama being elected. This "free trade" bullshit is a huge scam, and when the rest of the world is under economic socialism, and wages there are artificially low, there is nothing "capitalist" about sending jobs over there. Unfair competition is just being placed on the American worker -- stifling wages and hurting consumer spending.

Once again, Newton spewing about shit he knows nothing about.

-First off, we all know you don't feel bad for anyone, you've proved you're a selfish prick time and time again.

-Secondly, factories always fluctuate the number of employees they have due to the amount of work there is to be done. This is true anywhere in the world. Truth is, in Mexico the people are protected by the laws better than in most countries, while they don't have unemployment, all employees that are laid off have to be paid 90 days severance plus they're entitled to a certain amount of money for how long they've worked at the company.

-Lastly, regarding Nafta, minimum wage is dictated by the cost of living in a place, so there's nothing artificially low unless you're running illegal labor/not abiding by the laws.
...and at the at this point in the game, it's not a question of US vs. Mexico, it's a question of Mexico vs. China. It's very difficult to pay for overhead, market and promote a brand at the level needed to stay strong and give boards to shops for prices they need to make a margin getting 'all' of your boards made in the US. It basically only works for small brands with low overhead and minimal marketing commitments. Once you reach a certain size, the importance of maintaining a certain profit margin to keep the cash flow going in order to sustain business is crucial. It's called profit, but that doesn't mean you're taking bags of money home, it means you have money to pay your bills on time and give terms to the people that need it.

...you obviously need some life experience, but I'll give you that you're an expert in 'idealism'!


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Re: skate industry downsizing... podium blackbox etc..
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2008, 07:31:34 AM »
I usually skip newtons posts, props for actually reading them.
Good luck with the business!
My shops already dead and I am about 100.000 in debt now... (euros)(somebody buy my old crap!)
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« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2008, 08:25:28 AM »
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I'm glad it's falling apart. The skate industry needs a good, stiff recession to balance out the hipsters with the people that actually skate. A bunch of these skaters need a good dose of reality also.
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I am curious who are these "hipsters that don't actually skate" you are always complaining about? I really can't think of any pros that don't skate and therefore would be cut because of the industry downsizing.

Yeah, maybe a few "pros" will be cut, but for the most part the real people being hurt are the guys working in the warehouse, doing sales, working at the shops etc. and more often than not these are the guys that "actually skate". I would be great if only the BS phony skate companies that go out of business, but so far it seems like a lot of good companies (listen for example) will also be destroyed in this mess. making this "bursting bubble" not as cool as a lot of people think.
 
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Hipsters are the dead weight leeching off the industry thanks to the "bro system". They're just random "friends of friends" of pros, flow kids and their buddies, etc. They take tons of free product, get jobs that companies only create for them to have because they are so "down," etc. When you've got all of this extra weight, it drives the price of your goods up. That's why there is such a disparity between the price of a blank board and a graphic board, even when they are produced in the same place.

And yeah, some little guys are going to go under. So what? Being cool does not entitle you to an easy living doing participating in a recreational activity. A large part of the problems we are having today are due to this false sense of entitlement a lot of skateboarders suddenly have. If these guys care about it so much, they can do it while going to school and having a job like the rest of us. I don't have any sympathy for them.


i don't know if this is the case outside of skateparks or skateshops, but fuckin a, man, skating and the "bro system" is what it's all about. Chilling with good people while share the good wealth. Kind of like how your gramps bought you a benz, except you simply present yourself as a spoiled prick.


Also, what kind of crew do you have? Any with which to participate in this recreational activity?