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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #240 on: May 25, 2010, 02:34:57 PM »
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ending the last episode with jack's eye closing as a bookend to the first episode starting with his eye opening was just about all i liked about the finale. still though, in total one of the best shows ever. maybe the finale will grow on me with repeated watches. but seinfeld's sure didn't...
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seinfelds ending was really clever, that was an awesome way to end that show.

i have the same feeling about seinfeld's and lost's finales-- decent concept, boring execution. but it's hard to end things that have been so good with something that measures up to their finest moments. still though, let down by both. not let down enough to detract from the overall feeling about the shows, but let down nonetheless.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #241 on: May 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM »
I thought it was a sick ending.  Lots of shit that wasn't answered, but that was to be expected.  Fuck... ya.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #242 on: May 25, 2010, 09:19:20 PM »
This might be the funniest one I have ever seen



The end is so good

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #243 on: May 26, 2010, 01:50:03 AM »


pretty much.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #244 on: May 26, 2010, 07:51:35 AM »


pretty much.

I didn't watch that whole thing yet, but that guy asked way too many questions that just weren't important and ones that were answered.

The smoke monster didn't kill Eko the first time around because Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje didn't ask to leave the show yet.
The Others didn't have the correct list, or that one guy was just lying, which is why Jack's name wasn't on it.
Women couldn't have babies on the Island because Mother killed the first woman to give birth, and prevented the island from allowing the
procreation of what she deemed a dangerous species.
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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #245 on: May 26, 2010, 11:38:29 AM »
I read somewhere that JJ Abrams has explained that people should just accept the island for being mystical. I didn't like that at first, but he brought up a really good point - in Star Wars, the force was cool and had mystery to it. When it was given a scientific reason, everybody hated it and just went "fucking seriously? I'd rather not even know." Most of the island mythology is in that category.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #246 on: May 26, 2010, 03:09:34 PM »
please explain the scientific reason behind the force

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #247 on: May 26, 2010, 03:18:25 PM »

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #248 on: May 26, 2010, 06:33:08 PM »
i watched that college humor questions on the other page. jacob can leave the island and can look like people too cant he? like he did as a boy, so im guessin he was walt on the island since he has more power than mib.

and all the egypt heiroglyps are just interests of the illuminati. they love all the egypt symbolism and numbers symbolism because most people cant decypher it. show also has all these unasnwered questions most likely due to all the 'hidden knowlegde' they know but cant really put it out in clear words for the public

this is just my most logical explanation

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #249 on: May 26, 2010, 08:50:01 PM »
please explain the scientific reason behind the force
Not actual scientific reason, but they attempted to explain it as medichorines or some bullshit that was in your blood. It was better off just as an unexplainable anomaly.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #250 on: May 27, 2010, 12:58:01 PM »
Found on lostmediamentions this is some guy from Bad Robot (the company that produced Lost) amazing post:

Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #251 on: May 27, 2010, 01:46:21 PM »
I watched the finale again and have let it settle for a few days and I still despise it. To be perfectly honest, any fans with the slightest respect for the concept of storytelling should be offended at what we were given.

I'm sick of reading online that fans who felt gypped "don't get it." Don't worry, I "got it." It was absolutely lazy writing that relied on one visual element (Jack closing his eye) that wasn't that clever.

And for the record, I loved the Sopranos finale.

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #252 on: May 27, 2010, 06:26:01 PM »
I watched the finale again and have let it settle for a few days and I still despise it. To be perfectly honest, any fans with the slightest respect for the concept of storytelling should be offended at what we were given.

I'm sick of reading online that fans who felt gypped "don't get it." Don't worry, I "got it." It was absolutely lazy writing that relied on one visual element (Jack closing his eye) that wasn't that clever.

And for the record, I loved the Sopranos finale.

That's a bit harsh and an unfair presumption. They presented a set of characters, provided information on their pasts, each were faced with a climax or ultimatum (or more) and either died or learned a valuable lesson. Then in the end most of the characters were given a happy ending when we thought they had died. That's the basic arc of a storyline for a character. Just look at Jack's growth throughout the series--the change is remarkable. If you didn't like the ending though, total different thing.
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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #253 on: May 28, 2010, 08:38:34 PM »
No holds barred, til labias say "free us"
then its straight to your kids' school, wine coolers in the Prius

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Re: LOST TONIGHT!
« Reply #254 on: May 29, 2010, 02:38:04 AM »
so-so
Hosin' out the cab of his pickup truck
He's got his 8-track playin' really fuckin' loud