Yeah, I don't get how wafflecup quenches anybody's cupsole thirst. Since they changed the vulcs with the Skate line a few years ago (adding the heel shank and changing the rubber compound), I find that the regular Skate vulcs feel a bit more supportive than wafflecup if anything. I skated the first Kyle Walkers and the Crockett 1 and 2's, and wafflecup is just a gimmick to me - it's still a super thin sole with a squishy insole that only cushions your heel.