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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4380 on: July 20, 2021, 09:46:47 AM »
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.

No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4381 on: July 20, 2021, 01:35:00 PM »
I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4382 on: July 20, 2021, 01:53:43 PM »
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately?  I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate

Mine got busted right away but I just kept skating them and had zero issues. A pivot cup bushing that is torn a bit isnít noticeable for me at least unless I look at the trucks so I donít really care.

Sure it would be nice if they held up properly but the benefits of Aces far outweigh the small pivot cup bushing issue IMO.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4383 on: July 20, 2021, 02:16:41 PM »
I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4384 on: July 21, 2021, 08:41:53 AM »
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.

No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.

Ooh nice idea! Might gonna try it ^_^

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4385 on: July 21, 2021, 03:38:53 PM »
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I have a pair of A1 55s on the way, not sure whether I should be stoked or not tbh
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I JUST set up a new complete tonight with ACR A1 66s, and one of the mounting holes was too small for the bolt!!!

The shop owner rolled her eyes and said Ďweíve had a lot of that with Ace, including one truck missing a mounting holeí.

Fuck. I havenít heard any of that on here, so unfortunately it just might be the shipment to Japan.


Nice, really selling me on these acesÖ

Fortunately she had a drill with the right sized bit and I got it on. Worked beautifully after that.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4386 on: July 21, 2021, 10:10:53 PM »
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.

No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.

The 78s are great arenít they? There is a way to make them even better though. Mount the barrel one on a 3/8Ē piece of all thread with a flat washer and a couple nuts 1 top/1 bottom, toss that in a drill press and hit it with a sanding block with 40 grit to rough shape down, then 80 grit for second roughing, 120 or 180 to finish. Then youíve got super soft conicals. Way deeper turn than barrels. Take the top bushing and sand the bottom down about 1/4Ē and you can get them super floppy. Use the Ace top if you want a harder one(like you are already). Even Joey said if youíre not fucking with your bushings your loosing.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4387 on: July 22, 2021, 10:25:07 AM »
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):

What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.

Thanks for any help or any links

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4388 on: July 22, 2021, 10:28:46 AM »
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):

What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.

Thanks for any help or any links
i heard that Krux bushings are compatible with Aces. They're the right size and don't mess up the geometry apparently

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4389 on: July 22, 2021, 12:33:04 PM »
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):

What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.

Thanks for any help or any links

I blew out my Ace bushings eventually and replaced them with Mini Logos. Measured with a caliper, the bottom bushing was the same height and the top was like ~1mm taller. They're perfectly fine bushings, BTW

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4390 on: July 22, 2021, 08:55:57 PM »
Thanks for all the help, I'll check out the krux and minilogo bushings. Good to hear there's at least something I can do, I fucking love these trucks

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4391 on: July 22, 2021, 09:40:39 PM »
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I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.
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One of my best friends, which rides the most ratchet set-ups I know got some new Indy hollows and said he couldnít get used to them after a week of skating, so he put the hangers on some beat up krux baseplates (which were mine at some point) and says they are much better. He was already riding them with thunder hangers. To be honest, I want to puke every time I think about it.  :(

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4392 on: July 23, 2021, 05:22:24 PM »
Thunder aftermarkets are underrated in Ace's. I found some white 90a ones in my junk box and they might be just as good if not better than stock Ace bottoms, same height too.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4393 on: July 25, 2021, 07:56:44 AM »
anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4394 on: July 26, 2021, 02:21:08 AM »
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anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
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I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.

My favorite setup ever was a squared Roger 8" deck with 33's. Ace trucks on a board that feels more agile already is so fun, the height is perfect too. 

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4395 on: July 26, 2021, 11:57:13 AM »
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anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
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I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.
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My favorite setup ever was a squared Roger 8" deck with 33's. Ace trucks on a board that feels more agile already is so fun, the height is perfect too.

Roger are underrated decks. Loved my Roger 8.25 with Ace 44s, great combo.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4396 on: July 27, 2021, 07:30:48 AM »
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4397 on: July 27, 2021, 07:42:39 AM »
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
Krux bushings are compatible with Ace trucks. But dude, just break the stock bushings in. Give it time and you'll realize what the hype is about.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4398 on: July 27, 2021, 08:58:57 AM »
Ace bushings will firm up for sure, but mini logo bottoms are the same height assuming AF1s use the same size as the classics. That being said, an Indy bottoms are  supposedly 1mm lower but neither my eyes nor my (non-digital) calipers can account for any difference.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4399 on: July 27, 2021, 09:12:38 AM »
Ace bushings will firm up for sure, but mini logo bottoms are the same height assuming AF1s use the same size as the classics. That being said, an Indy bottoms are  supposedly 1mm lower but neither my eyes nor my (non-digital) calipers can account for any difference.

I just measured my indy 88s conicals with digital calipers and the bottoms are 14mm just like ace. The top bushing is smaller though.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4400 on: July 27, 2021, 09:18:51 AM »
b. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.

Did you keep the washer?  I measured Bones and Ace with calipers and they are within a few hundredths of an inch.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4401 on: July 27, 2021, 10:52:17 AM »
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.

Krux bottom bushing with stock top is really nice. I weigh 180 lbs, so I can still get a nice carve out of them without too much wheelbite. I still like the stock bottoms, but I think theyíre definitely designed for the average skater who weighs a bit less than I do

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4402 on: July 27, 2021, 12:11:19 PM »
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bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?

Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
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Krux bottom bushing with stock top is really nice. I weigh 180 lbs, so I can still get a nice carve out of them without too much wheelbite. I still like the stock bottoms, but I think they’re definitely designed for the average skater who weighs a bit less than I do.


alright then I will try the krux bushing. I'm around 210 lbs. I'm not down with wheelbite.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4403 on: July 27, 2021, 02:40:47 PM »
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4404 on: July 27, 2021, 09:10:47 PM »
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom

Does the classic hangers go well in the af baseplates?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4405 on: July 27, 2021, 10:29:19 PM »
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.

My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom

The pivot cup on mine seems to have firmed up after a few months of skating them. The loose pivot was one of my biggest complaints when I first got them.  I agree about them grinding worse on metal. I think the trade off is that they grind a lot better on concrete/pool coping. Iím definitely going back to classics when itís time to replace them. Iíll deal with the shit quality in exchange for the better performance that the classics offer.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4406 on: Today at 01:56:59 AM »
What is this bullshit about not grinding on metal as well as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realize this?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4407 on: Today at 04:38:59 AM »
What is this bullshit about not grinding on metal as well different as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realize this its different?

Fixed it for you! Guess its kind of the point when upgrading a truck, there is always going to be pro's and cons on each feature based on peoples opinion. For some people your worse is their better.

Loving my af1 55s, no pivot shit, had clicking for a sesh or 2 but its gone. Bushing are perfect when broken in. Love the grind on metal/concrete etc.
Its a heavy truck though!

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4408 on: Today at 05:52:13 AM »
Can we compile a spreadsheet of bushing heights (brand new bushings only). Iím dead serious, would be an easy thing to do and will help all the people with truck madness get their shit sorted.

All bushing heights, brand new, upper and lower with and without the included washers (where applicable), measured with calipers in millimeters.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4409 on: Today at 06:17:16 AM »
Can we compile a spreadsheet of bushing heights (brand new bushings only). Iím dead serious, would be an easy thing to do and will help all the people with truck madness get their shit sorted.

All bushing heights, brand new, upper and lower with and without the included washers (where applicable), measured with calipers in millimeters.

King Brimmo kinda got started. @Mbrimson88 I have this bookmarked and think about this shit way too much.

Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.


From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.


Low Bushing Set

Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness


Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness


As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:

Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Venture stock 94a
Total  22.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total  21 mm
Top  8 mm
Bottom  13 mm


* Added Venture in here as well.