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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5430 on: May 13, 2022, 01:28:40 AM »
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I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

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thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...

Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I donít think any other truck would have fared better.

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Iíve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I donít notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I donít know. I donít think itís better than the classics at least. Hard to say if itís worse either. 🤔

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like thatís gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to

Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I havenít noticed a difference on other stuff either but Iím not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days youíre gliding along and sometimes youíre sticking like mad.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5431 on: May 13, 2022, 02:00:50 AM »
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5432 on: May 13, 2022, 06:25:44 AM »
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)

Indys definitely have more material to grind down, making them last longer. The classics use a softer alloy too so they grind down a bit quicker. AF1 hangers last a bit longer than classics. If you're worried about longevity and usability in more situations, i would go indy. If you just wanna carve and have fun, go ace. If youre not 100% about that ACE experience, it can be cumbersome sometimes. But they are very fun, I keep them on my cruisers, but I had to take them off my regular setup to skate more consistently.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5433 on: May 13, 2022, 06:45:10 AM »
riding my first set of aces after only riding indys for ~10 yrs

i notice they turn better and grind smoother on concrete

they also wear down really fast, i have the af1 55s

popped the top washer off and have a nice dent from 5-0s and feebles/smiths

i'd probably buy them again
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5434 on: May 13, 2022, 07:34:08 AM »
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.

For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)

If you need one truck to do it all, Indy is the way to go. I recently got my first pair of Ace AF1s and they are a ton of fun and the turn does feel great, but it isnít SO much better than Indy and for me the grind on Indy is better. Other posters say Indy is much more durable as well.

I havenít ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so Iím curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5435 on: May 13, 2022, 07:58:25 AM »

I havenít ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so Iím curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.

"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5436 on: May 13, 2022, 08:45:31 AM »
Just wanna say that they definitely changed the alloy slightly with the newest AF1's because they are like gliding on ice. I didn't like them when they came out, but they're a totally different grind now. Better than classics and just as good as Indy. You can tell if they're newer if they look shinier and more polished and the bushings are very bright white compared to the off-white yellow ones that were on the earlier ones.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5437 on: May 13, 2022, 08:56:56 AM »
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I havenít ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so Iím curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.
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"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.

That makes a lot of sense and haven't seen anyone put it like that. Just that the grind is super "buttery".

I definitely seem to be in the minority but the AF1s just don't grind very well for me. However, I may just still be getting through that break in period and they'll really open up after a couple more sessions.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5438 on: May 13, 2022, 09:18:52 AM »
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I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

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thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...
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Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I donít think any other truck would have fared better.

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Iíve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I donít notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I donít know. I donít think itís better than the classics at least. Hard to say if itís worse either. 🤔

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like thatís gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to
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Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I havenít noticed a difference on other stuff either but Iím not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days youíre gliding along and sometimes youíre sticking like mad.
It's wild to see trucks that worked without a crook groove or nose/tail slide marks on the baseplate. Time to diversify my friend!

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5439 on: May 13, 2022, 11:09:49 AM »
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5440 on: May 13, 2022, 11:50:55 AM »
are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.



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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5441 on: May 13, 2022, 11:53:25 AM »
are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.

the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5442 on: May 13, 2022, 12:40:24 PM »
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I havenít ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so Iím curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.
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"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.
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That makes a lot of sense and haven't seen anyone put it like that. Just that the grind is super "buttery".

I definitely seem to be in the minority but the AF1s just don't grind very well for me. However, I may just still be getting through that break in period and they'll really open up after a couple more sessions.

I prefer the grind on the classics, AF1s felt sticky to me. Indys grind better than both versions of Ace. Iím currently riding Indys with Ace bushings, so I get the Indy grind with a turn thatís comparable to Ace. Itís still not as stable on center or snappy as Ace, but still feels pretty good. I recommend this to anyone who goes back and forth between Indy and Ace.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5443 on: May 13, 2022, 03:23:15 PM »
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are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho

I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5444 on: May 13, 2022, 04:30:20 PM »
These hard bushings are the only ones I've ever had that I don't need to break in.

Ive had some great sessions on these, learning flip tricks even.


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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5445 on: May 13, 2022, 10:51:01 PM »
I've been enjoying a set of classics lately. Mostly slappies, mini ramp and cruising so they fit for my taste of skating atm. I dont know what clicked in my head but I was all into Af1s since they came out. I guess never put enough effort to break in the classics but I really love them now.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5446 on: May 14, 2022, 12:54:34 AM »
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I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713
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thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...
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Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I donít think any other truck would have fared better.

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Iíve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I donít notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I donít know. I donít think itís better than the classics at least. Hard to say if itís worse either. 🤔

My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like thatís gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to
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Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I havenít noticed a difference on other stuff either but Iím not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days youíre gliding along and sometimes youíre sticking like mad.
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It's wild to see trucks that worked without a crook groove or nose/tail slide marks on the baseplate. Time to diversify my friend!

You are right. I did pretty much only frontside and backside slappies, boardslides and flat ground & jumping up and down curbs back then. I used skateboarding as therapy. Bashing out the frustrations of daily work life being on secondment, working long days in a city where I knew no one and knew I wouldnít stay. I just did my go tos and thatís it pretty much. Did try to work on my nose slides and crooks on occasion but this is the back truck so no signs of those here.

Anyway, I want diversify my bag of tricks and hopefully gain some more go tos when my back is healed enough to skate again. So maybe the next photo of my setup will have more diverse grooves and scratches.  :)

Also to the discussion about the weather resistance of Ace bushings Iíd like to say that I find both Classics and AF1s to be 100% weather resistant which is great living in Finland where the temperatures vary from -30įC to +30įC.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5447 on: May 14, 2022, 07:32:58 AM »
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5448 on: May 14, 2022, 08:05:10 AM »
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?

For me, definitely.

I’m not a great skater, and I have an extra hard time kick flipping on my Indy’s when they are loose enough to be carvy, it feels like I’m balancing on the kingpins.

On Aces I can ride them a touch tighter, but still get a better carve and less of a tippy feel. No problem kickflipping.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5449 on: May 14, 2022, 08:54:53 AM »
I agree. Even bombing hills with loose Ace felt more secure than similarly tight Indy's. Ace really nailed the geometry.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5450 on: May 16, 2022, 04:07:10 AM »
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are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho
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I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.

are you in the upper NE?

cold here hit different
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5451 on: May 16, 2022, 05:25:42 AM »
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are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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the bushings still freeze up like other trucks

still grind smooth tho
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I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.
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are you in the upper NE?

cold here hit different

Moisture in the air exaggerates the feeling on both extremes for sure. I've lived in MD and UT, freezing in MD feels like 20 in UT, and 90 in MD feels like 100+ in UT

Any Chronic Madness patients have the scientific ability and tools to do a study on how temperature/humidity affects different bushings? that would be great.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5452 on: May 16, 2022, 10:06:59 AM »
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?

I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5453 on: May 16, 2022, 10:18:20 AM »
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So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.

Very different situations here. Are aces more stable than ventures? def not. Are they more stable than indys? I think you could make that argument. Really boils down to how tight youre skating each truck, and your bushing setup. Indy vs Ace on stock tightness and bushings, I'd say ace are more stable on center. If you skate your trucks fairly loose, id say ace are more stable. If you like your trucks tighter, I think thats where indys might eventually be more stable. Idk if its due to the geometry or what, but i feel like tightening an indy a few turns makes a WAY bigger difference than tightening an Ace a few turns. You can get indys to the point of being damn near solid, but an Ace cranked down just as far will still turn.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5454 on: May 16, 2022, 10:28:42 AM »
I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5455 on: May 16, 2022, 10:29:31 AM »
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So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.

I was actually surprised when I bought my aces that they did feel surprisingly stable on center. Maybe not *better* than Indy and definitely not venture, but it also depends on your set up. My Indyís are really loose and definitely not as stable at center.

My aces are still basically new so maybe as the bushings wear in itíll get less stable.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5456 on: May 16, 2022, 11:10:57 AM »
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So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
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I was actually surprised when I bought my aces that they did feel surprisingly stable on center. Maybe not *better* than Indy and definitely not venture, but it also depends on your set up. My Indyís are really loose and definitely not as stable at center.

My aces are still basically new so maybe as the bushings wear in itíll get less stable.

2 years into my classic and my bushings have felt consistent.

Also loose indys vs ace stability doesnt compare, or else I would still be skating indys.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5457 on: May 16, 2022, 11:19:32 AM »
Its a strange but one thing I notice when jumping back and fore between Indy and Ace was obviously Ace turn quicker and deeper but if you aren't turning (ie. "on center"), when bombing a hill or generally hauling, they feel more stable for sure. I would trust a loose Ace over a loose Indy on a sketchy hill bomb or giant transition. Might have something to do with being lower. Either way, they are never going to be as stable as a Thunder or a Venture.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5458 on: May 16, 2022, 11:47:42 AM »
I think what you guys mean as "stable at the center" is that with ACEs, since they turn so much due to the geometry, you can have them quite tight and they still turn. Meanwhile with Ventures if you want them to turn you gotta loose the shit out of them and then they get way more wobbly than ACEs would to achieve the same turning radius.
Indy's the same but to a lesser degree.

I was riding Indy's on a mid tightness and I could turn what I needed, with Venture's I'm close to wobbly trucks to get a close turn. If I had ACEs on my current Venture tightness I would probably eat shit first push...  ;D

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #5459 on: May 16, 2022, 11:55:37 AM »
I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.