Conspiracy theories.

[straight]

the only one i want to believe is that greta thornberg is a time traveler sent to save us from the apocalypse

[Huell Howser]

i don't really even consider this as conspiracy theory just facts tbh, but the Ariel School Encounter in Zimbabme where 60+ students were visited by a UFO during recess is amazing. I watched some vids about it a few years ago then it a vid showed up in my recommended yesterday. back down the rabbit hole lol

[DaleSr]

How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

[IUTSM]

How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[Atiba Applebum]

the only one i want to believe is that greta thornberg is a time traveler sent to save us from the apocalypse

That means the world won’t end until we master backwards time travel

And since backwards time travel violates the laws of nature, unlike forward time travel (aka time dilation) that act of self-preservation would cause the real apocalypse

[Atiba Applebum]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

[newguy]

The CIA funded and propped up the entire pop art and modern art movement. This one isn’t even a conspiracy, it’s literally a real thing. If you ever wondered why the art world has gone insane there’s your answer

[JANUS]

I like this one:

[DaleSr]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[close]

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

It's sadly very real, but Wikipedia lists it as a hoax which is horrifying.

If you're curious, check out Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal. Nick started investigating the epstein case in 2012, but faced a ton of push back to publish about it until 2015, it's definitely a case of obfuscation and a cover up



This episode of chapo also does a good job of outlining the conspiracy

[Atiba Applebum]

The CIA funded and propped up the entire pop art and modern art movement. This one isn’t even a conspiracy, it’s literally a real thing. If you ever wondered why the art world has gone insane there’s your answer

I think it was just abstract expressionism - and to be more specific, they provided funds for art shows of works by Pollack, etc to be shown in Europe during the Cold War as a cultural battle against the Soviets

[Atiba Applebum]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[close]

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

[close]

It's sadly very real, but Wikipedia lists it as a hoax which is horrifying.

If you're curious, check out Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal. Nick started investigating the epstein case in 2012, but faced a ton of push back to publish about it until 2015, it's definitely a case of obfuscation and a cover up



This episode of chapo also does a good job of outlining the conspiracy

Honestly, I don’t find myself caring (obvi don’t support it) because it’s one of those things that seems so enmeshed in conspiracy and amateur sleuthing, particularly right now with the whole QAnon/white slavery/Wayfair selling children in its catalogues/pizza shop basement that it’s too difficult to parse the actual issue from from internet hysteria / zeitgeisty hysteria (ie satanic panic, stranger danger, and the history of Jews in Europe).   

[newguy]

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The CIA funded and propped up the entire pop art and modern art movement. This one isn’t even a conspiracy, it’s literally a real thing. If you ever wondered why the art world has gone insane there’s your answer

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I think it was just abstract expressionism - and to be more specific, they provided funds for art shows of works by Pollack, etc to be shown in Europe during the Cold War as a cultural battle against the Soviets

They did start out small at first but their little project ballooned out of proportions, they had the former director of the MoMa at the wheel too so the guy knew where to funnel money

[Atiba Applebum]

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The CIA funded and propped up the entire pop art and modern art movement. This one isn’t even a conspiracy, it’s literally a real thing. If you ever wondered why the art world has gone insane there’s your answer

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I think it was just abstract expressionism - and to be more specific, they provided funds for art shows of works by Pollack, etc to be shown in Europe during the Cold War as a cultural battle against the Soviets

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They did start out small at first but their little project ballooned out of proportions, they had the former director of the MoMa at the wheel too so the guy knew where to funnel money

Sure, but in the history of art, the wheels of power tend to finance and guide art.   It seems shocking in a modern context (but mostly funny considering what pinkos the actual artists were likely considered by the gov that was promoting them) but is it any different than what the Medicis and Popes were doing, for example?

[Ricky Vaughn]

[newguy]

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The CIA funded and propped up the entire pop art and modern art movement. This one isn’t even a conspiracy, it’s literally a real thing. If you ever wondered why the art world has gone insane there’s your answer

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I think it was just abstract expressionism - and to be more specific, they provided funds for art shows of works by Pollack, etc to be shown in Europe during the Cold War as a cultural battle against the Soviets

[close]

They did start out small at first but their little project ballooned out of proportions, they had the former director of the MoMa at the wheel too so the guy knew where to funnel money

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Sure, but in the history of art, the wheels of power tend to finance and guide art.   It seems shocking in a modern context (but mostly funny considering what pinkos the actual artists were likely considered by the gov that was promoting them) but is it any different than what the Medicis and Popes were doing, for example?

Oh man I dont want to derail the thread and shoot the shit about art history and politics haha 
So from what I remember, the Soviet Union actually had a huge abstract expressionist movement in the 30’s but it slowly died off when soviet realism was introduced (very, very poorly understood movement in the west obviously). Soviet artists at that time were invested in the socialist project of the SU and willingly dropped their research and stuck to the official style. You could bend the rules and have fun with the style but it had to follow certain core concepts. WW2 comes and goes and the Cold War starts, then the CIA looks at ways of portraying the SU like it’s 1984 or something and they went to the US congress and them to fund abstract expressionism an experimental music but congress told them to fuck off (lol) so it became a covert operation. I dont remember the details but essentially the goal was to showcase how dynamic US culture was and how free artists were yada yada… you get the idea.

So I disagree with the comparison to the Medecis and the Pope because while there are similarities to the goals of the CIA, the patrons of the renaissance period weren’t trying to hide their goal, they were very proud of their donations to the masters and artists while the CIA program was a bunch of boring, dull, 9/5 drones in offices and boardrooms trying to use US soft power to dick the soviets in secret. Same method but completely different goals and aims.


By the way here’s an article on Gene Sharp and his role in color revolutions and US foreign policy, again not a conspiracy, this is all true https://nonsite.org/change-agent-gene-sharps-neoliberal-nonviolence-part-one/

[DaleSr]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[close]

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

[close]

It's sadly very real, but Wikipedia lists it as a hoax which is horrifying.

If you're curious, check out Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal. Nick started investigating the epstein case in 2012, but faced a ton of push back to publish about it until 2015, it's definitely a case of obfuscation and a cover up



This episode of chapo also does a good job of outlining the conspiracy

[close]

Honestly, I don’t find myself caring (obvi don’t support it) because it’s one of those things that seems so enmeshed in conspiracy and amateur sleuthing, particularly right now with the whole QAnon/white slavery/Wayfair selling children in its catalogues/pizza shop basement that it’s too difficult to parse the actual issue from from internet hysteria / zeitgeisty hysteria (ie satanic panic, stranger danger, and the history of Jews in Europe).   

I would say the main difference between learning about this stuff and Q crankery is that people who are into Q are

1. Gullible
2. Racist
3. Partisan

Most of the q lore is on its face completely stupid and absurd, adrenachrome, walnut sauce, that fake video of Hillary eating a child's face that doesn't exist but every q person lies about having seen, Trump being a white hat pedophile. It's all so stupid and only favors one side when in reality, there's a long history of members of both parties abusing their power for sexual gratification. If you're a dem, you ignore Ed Buck, Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Gary Condit, Brock Adams and Mel Reynolds. If you're republican, holy shit there's a LOT to ignore, Donald trump, Dennis Hastert, Ed Schrock, Jim Jordan, Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawtgorne, Strom Thurmond, Mark Foley,  Larry Craig... There's a lot

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

[close]

is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[close]

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

[close]

It's sadly very real, but Wikipedia lists it as a hoax which is horrifying.

If you're curious, check out Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal. Nick started investigating the epstein case in 2012, but faced a ton of push back to publish about it until 2015, it's definitely a case of obfuscation and a cover up



This episode of chapo also does a good job of outlining the conspiracy

[close]

Honestly, I don’t find myself caring (obvi don’t support it) because it’s one of those things that seems so enmeshed in conspiracy and amateur sleuthing, particularly right now with the whole QAnon/white slavery/Wayfair selling children in its catalogues/pizza shop basement that it’s too difficult to parse the actual issue from from internet hysteria / zeitgeisty hysteria (ie satanic panic, stranger danger, and the history of Jews in Europe).   

[close]

I would say the main difference between learning about this stuff and Q crankery is that people who are into Q are

1. Gullible
2. Racist
3. Partisan

Most of the q lore is on its face completely stupid and absurd, adrenachrome, walnut sauce, that fake video of Hillary eating a child's face that doesn't exist but every q person lies about having seen, Trump being a white hat pedophile. It's all so stupid and only favors one side when in reality, there's a long history of members of both parties abusing their power for sexual gratification. If you're a dem, you ignore Ed Buck, Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Gary Condit, Brock Adams and Mel Reynolds. If you're republican, holy shit there's a LOT to ignore, Donald trump, Dennis Hastert, Ed Schrock, Jim Jordan, Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawtgorne, Strom Thurmond, Mark Foley,  Larry Craig... There's a lot

Some promote it just to be a menace and advance their means, but many believe it. An astounding amount.

@Atiba Applebum

the point, as Steve bannon said, to "flood the zone with shit" so people stop caring and become apathetic to it because it feels to difficult to figure out the truth or hold a conviction.

[DaleSr]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

[close]

is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[close]

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

[close]

It's sadly very real, but Wikipedia lists it as a hoax which is horrifying.

If you're curious, check out Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal. Nick started investigating the epstein case in 2012, but faced a ton of push back to publish about it until 2015, it's definitely a case of obfuscation and a cover up



This episode of chapo also does a good job of outlining the conspiracy

[close]

Honestly, I don’t find myself caring (obvi don’t support it) because it’s one of those things that seems so enmeshed in conspiracy and amateur sleuthing, particularly right now with the whole QAnon/white slavery/Wayfair selling children in its catalogues/pizza shop basement that it’s too difficult to parse the actual issue from from internet hysteria / zeitgeisty hysteria (ie satanic panic, stranger danger, and the history of Jews in Europe).   

[close]

I would say the main difference between learning about this stuff and Q crankery is that people who are into Q are

1. Gullible
2. Racist
3. Partisan

Most of the q lore is on its face completely stupid and absurd, adrenachrome, walnut sauce, that fake video of Hillary eating a child's face that doesn't exist but every q person lies about having seen, Trump being a white hat pedophile. It's all so stupid and only favors one side when in reality, there's a long history of members of both parties abusing their power for sexual gratification. If you're a dem, you ignore Ed Buck, Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Gary Condit, Brock Adams and Mel Reynolds. If you're republican, holy shit there's a LOT to ignore, Donald trump, Dennis Hastert, Ed Schrock, Jim Jordan, Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawtgorne, Strom Thurmond, Mark Foley,  Larry Craig... There's a lot

[close]

Some promote it just to be a menace and advance their means, but many believe it. An astounding amount.

@Atiba Applebum

the point, as Steve bannon said, to "flood the zone with shit" so people stop caring and become apathetic to it because it feels to difficult to figure out the truth or hold a conviction.

A lot of them believe it because it reinforces their beliefs about dems being sickos and Republicans being the only people who are fighting for pure, white noble America. It's fantasy wish casting

[Atiba Applebum]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

[close]

is it a conspiracy, Dale? Or is it TRUTH!?!? the motherfucking truth is out there, man.

[close]

Isn’t the Franklin thing pretty obviously debunked or is it going to be one of those things where no one will ever accept an established truth because the hegemonic powers have a vested interest in muddying truth

[close]

It's sadly very real, but Wikipedia lists it as a hoax which is horrifying.

If you're curious, check out Nick Bryant's book on the Franklin scandal. Nick started investigating the epstein case in 2012, but faced a ton of push back to publish about it until 2015, it's definitely a case of obfuscation and a cover up



This episode of chapo also does a good job of outlining the conspiracy

[close]

Honestly, I don’t find myself caring (obvi don’t support it) because it’s one of those things that seems so enmeshed in conspiracy and amateur sleuthing, particularly right now with the whole QAnon/white slavery/Wayfair selling children in its catalogues/pizza shop basement that it’s too difficult to parse the actual issue from from internet hysteria / zeitgeisty hysteria (ie satanic panic, stranger danger, and the history of Jews in Europe).   

[close]

I would say the main difference between learning about this stuff and Q crankery is that people who are into Q are

1. Gullible
2. Racist
3. Partisan

Most of the q lore is on its face completely stupid and absurd, adrenachrome, walnut sauce, that fake video of Hillary eating a child's face that doesn't exist but every q person lies about having seen, Trump being a white hat pedophile. It's all so stupid and only favors one side when in reality, there's a long history of members of both parties abusing their power for sexual gratification. If you're a dem, you ignore Ed Buck, Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Gary Condit, Brock Adams and Mel Reynolds. If you're republican, holy shit there's a LOT to ignore, Donald trump, Dennis Hastert, Ed Schrock, Jim Jordan, Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawtgorne, Strom Thurmond, Mark Foley,  Larry Craig... There's a lot

[close]

Some promote it just to be a menace and advance their means, but many believe it. An astounding amount.

@Atiba Applebum

the point, as Steve bannon said, to "flood the zone with shit" so people stop caring and become apathetic to it because it feels to difficult to figure out the truth or hold a conviction.

Right and i definitely care about the issue, it’s just difficult to figure out how to put knowledge into action, particularly as these things tend to be found out after the fact

[newguy]

If some of you are interested, Brad Troemel did a long and very well made video on Qanon exploring the origins and ramifications of the “movement”. He treats it like it’s a massive ARG, and easily shows how astro turfed and artificial the whole thing is (hint hint it’s the CIA) It’s called the Qreport and although it’s all hosted on patreon at the moment i’m sure there’s a rip somewhere. And just to be clear, Brad isn’t a chud or a nutjob, too many independents turn out to be massive pieces of shit these days.

idk how to tag users but Atiba Applebum this is for you!

[Atiba Applebum]

If some of you are interested, Brad Troemel did a long and very well made video on Qanon exploring the origins and ramifications of the “movement”. He treats it like it’s a massive ARG, and easily shows how astro turfed and artificial the whole thing is (hint hint it’s the CIA) It’s called the Qreport and although it’s all hosted on patreon at the moment i’m sure there’s a rip somewhere. And just to be clear, Brad isn’t a chud or a nutjob, too many independents turn out to be massive pieces of shit these days.

idk how to tag users but Atiba Applebum this is for you!

Thanks, I’m not super into Qanon stuff and that HBO doc had me satisfied with the answer of the two phases of people behind q (South African dude and that father son duo).   I was mostly just comparing qanon to pedofilia and human trafficking as the cause they hide behind to justify their sketchiness the way Scientology uses drug rehabilitation programs

[WavyDavy]

If some of you are interested, Brad Troemel did a long and very well made video on Qanon exploring the origins and ramifications of the “movement”. He treats it like it’s a massive ARG, and easily shows how astro turfed and artificial the whole thing is (hint hint it’s the CIA) It’s called the Qreport and although it’s all hosted on patreon at the moment i’m sure there’s a rip somewhere. And just to be clear, Brad isn’t a chud or a nutjob, too many independents turn out to be massive pieces of shit these days.

idk how to tag users but Atiba Applebum this is for you!

For anyone who's Interested

[EdLawndale]

Lately, I have been listening to podcasts dealing with missing persons while I do dishes (no dishwashing machine).

Usually they are hunters in the forest or hikers in the desert who dissapeared and weren't found for years, if ever. I feel sorry for them, but the circumstances surrounding some are quite mysterious.

One that caught my attn the other day was this concept of the M-Cave.

I guess this avid hiker named Kenny Veach, 47yo, would hike a lot in the desert in Nevada, out by Area 51. One day he commented on a YouTube video that he was hiking by Nellis Air Force Base and came across a deep cave where the opening was a perfect capital M-shape.

He claimed to often explore the caves he found but as he approached this one, his whole body began to vibrate, and it got more intense the closer he came to the cave. Not having his firearm at the time, he opted to retreat.

Folks on the internet goaded him to return and try to find the M-Cave again so he filmed a whole video where he returned to the area, but never was able to find the M-Cave.

They goaded him to try again, though one user warned him not to, claiming if he found it and went inside the M-Cave, he would never get out alive. Veach asked why, but the user never responded again.

Anyways, Veach purportedly took another trip out there and was never heard from again. His gf reported him missing. I guess authorities found his cell phone sitting atop a vertical mine, but he was not found inside the mine. He is still missing to this day.

He probably took his own life or succumbed to the elements but, still, very creepy.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GGTWyCgmq08&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[Willie]

How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

There’s certainly enough shady stuff going on with entire Epstein story to provoke ideas about conspiracy (why Bill Clinton is the prime suspect is beyond me) but I’ve read/heard recent reports about how terribly managed Rikers Island is and how it’s basically falling apart and all those interviewed were like “Yeah, it’s completely within reason the guards were asleep and no cameras worked because nothing works at Rikers and all the guards are incompetent/checked out.”

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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There’s certainly enough shady stuff going on with entire Epstein story to provoke ideas about conspiracy (why Bill Clinton is the prime suspect is beyond me) but I’ve read/heard recent reports about how terribly managed Rikers Island is and how it’s basically falling apart and all those interviewed were like “Yeah, it’s completely within reason the guards were asleep and no cameras worked because nothing works at Rikers and all the guards are incompetent/checked out.”

Epstein wasn't at Riker's, he was at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, which is a federal detention facility. As for why Bill Clinton is a prime suspect, that's probably because he's one of the most prominent and powerful men in the world, with a history of sexual misbehavior, who travelled frequently to Epstein's ranch and on Epstein's "Lolita Express", was photographed getting a backrub from a girl who was trafficked by Epstein, and entertained Epstein and Maxwell more than a dozen times at the White House. Those are the things we know, which are not in dispute. Virginia Giuffre, another victim of Epstein, accused Clinton of visiting Little St. James at least once with two "young girls" in tow.

[Willie]

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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There’s certainly enough shady stuff going on with entire Epstein story to provoke ideas about conspiracy (why Bill Clinton is the prime suspect is beyond me) but I’ve read/heard recent reports about how terribly managed Rikers Island is and how it’s basically falling apart and all those interviewed were like “Yeah, it’s completely within reason the guards were asleep and no cameras worked because nothing works at Rikers and all the guards are incompetent/checked out.”

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Epstein wasn't at Riker's, he was at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, which is a federal detention facility. As for why Bill Clinton is a prime suspect, that's probably because he's one of the most prominent and powerful men in the world, with a history of sexual misbehavior, who travelled frequently to Epstein's ranch and on Epstein's "Lolita Express", was photographed getting a backrub from a girl who was trafficked by Epstein, and entertained Epstein and Maxwell more than a dozen times at the White House. Those are the things we know, which are not in dispute. Virginia Giuffre, another victim of Epstein, accused Clinton of visiting Little St. James at least once with two "young girls" in tow.

Sorry, I fucked up by saying Rikers (also a shithole) but the stories were about the specific facility Epstein was housed so  those critiques still stand.

And Clinton is clearly a perv but I don’t think he’s any more powerful or likely a suspect than any number of billionaires or the guy who was running the USA gay the time of Epstein’s death who also has a predilection for young women and who also appears in photos with Epstein and Maxwell.

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How many of you got terminal epstein brain? One of the most notorious and incredibly connected sex traffickers ever is finally arrested and looks to face actual consequences for decades of horror, and then "kills himself" after surviving an attempt on his life by a serial killer ex-cop who was burying his victims in his backyard. And the night he kills himself, all the guards on duty are asleep and all of the cameras on his block malfunction. On top of that, the man in charge of the investigation into his death is the son of a CIA spook who helped epstein get his first job with no prior experience as a teacher at a prestigious NY private school.

And at the same time this is going down, a crank movement based around a 4chan shitposter doing opsec LARPing pills everyone's senile parents and grandparents on the satanic panic 2: electric Boogaloo, further muddying the waters around real ass abuse rings.

In related news to sex abuse rings, the Franklin credit ring scandal is one of the most horrifying things I've read about.

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There’s certainly enough shady stuff going on with entire Epstein story to provoke ideas about conspiracy (why Bill Clinton is the prime suspect is beyond me) but I’ve read/heard recent reports about how terribly managed Rikers Island is and how it’s basically falling apart and all those interviewed were like “Yeah, it’s completely within reason the guards were asleep and no cameras worked because nothing works at Rikers and all the guards are incompetent/checked out.”

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Epstein wasn't at Riker's, he was at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, which is a federal detention facility. As for why Bill Clinton is a prime suspect, that's probably because he's one of the most prominent and powerful men in the world, with a history of sexual misbehavior, who travelled frequently to Epstein's ranch and on Epstein's "Lolita Express", was photographed getting a backrub from a girl who was trafficked by Epstein, and entertained Epstein and Maxwell more than a dozen times at the White House. Those are the things we know, which are not in dispute. Virginia Giuffre, another victim of Epstein, accused Clinton of visiting Little St. James at least once with two "young girls" in tow.

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And Clinton is clearly a perv but I don’t think he’s any more powerful or likely a suspect than any number of billionaires or the guy who was running the USA gay the time of Epstein’s death who also has a predilection for young women and who also appears in photos with Epstein and Maxwell.

Were any of those men former presidents? Bill Gates hasn't been treated kindly by this story, either.

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And Clinton is clearly a perv but I don’t think he’s any more powerful or likely a suspect than any number of billionaires or the guy who was running the USA gay the time of Epstein’s death who also has a predilection for young women and who also appears in photos with Epstein and Maxwell.

Assuming "gay" was a typo and you meant to type "at".

But, yes, it is incredibly outlandish to believe that the #1 person responsible for orchestrating the killing of Epstein was anyone but Donald Trump. He's the obvious suspect and it's usually only Republican bootlickers who suggest otherwise.

[Willie]

Assuming "gay" was a typo and you meant to type "at".

Yes. That’s about the weirdest autocorrect typo I’ve ever had.

[Mean salto]

Crystals are just plastic.
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