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ill start it off by saying ambiguous and foundation
In the past 2.5 years I've only bought one deck that wasn't a foundation.
Seriously, though, how the shit does Gravis make any money on their skate shoes. I've never seen them in any shops, and none of the giant online/mailorder people seem to carry them. Also I've never even seen someone wearing them....Ever.
-mattyc
Gravis used to make a lot of non-skate shoes that look like skate shoes. It's owned by Burton and was their casual footwear line, it seems like they have merged it all into the IV SK8 line now. I think Burton is really successful so they have money to back them, and they charge like $60-$70 for waxed canvas vulcanized shoes, probably costing $5 to make a pair. Even their regular canvas joints are priced at $50-$55, and besides the poron insoles, they are probably the simplest sneakers you can get besides Keds (Not that that's a bad thing, I haven't had Gravis, it's just an indicator that they're probably made cheaply)
I've seen people wearing them, skaters and non-skaters, they sell them at Urban Outfitters.