Nike sb makes a good skate shoe, ive been skating them for years. Even back when consolidated had that whole "dont do it" campaign. As much as i love skating them, i cant stand going to the park or a spot, and EVERY other kid is rocking them. The same thing is slowly happening to adidas. I never really took part in the whole "core" vs 'Corporate" debate, but for the above mentioned reason alone im done with them. I remember back in the day when everyone kinda had there own style or uniqueness to them, but these big brands or sort of suck that right out. Everyone is rocking the same shit. As much as i LOOVVE skating busenitz and dunks, im done with them on the board. When kids just start out skating, they tend to imitate what older rippers are doing( i know i did), and i dont wanna be the guy saying "hey kids, Its ok to conform to nike, dont do your own thing." Janoski is a great shoe, busenitz even better, i own a few pairs of both even (just for chilling). But for skating, never, not any more. Not because its a bad shoe, i just dont wanna get washed away in the sea of janoskis i see every time i go skate. Im more a cupsole guy personally, but the last vulcs i skated were gravis, and they litteraly put my faith back into vulcs. Arto lows, and filters would be a better choice IMO, suuuuuch great shoes. Im not sayin fuck nike, im just saying infiltrated the fuck out of skateboarding and and brands like es ( who at one point in time had Penny, Arto, Koston and Pj!!!!) are done. Just tossin in my two cents, but at the end of the day its your money. buy what yah want