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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2013, 02:17:56 PM »
You don't know about Fred Hampton?

The shut the fuck up moron. You don't get it. Look something up for once.

And no, its not like fast and furious, which you have decided is an anti-2nd amendment conspiracy despite the fact that Gun nut George W. Bush was the one who started it and no evidence of actions taken to make it lead to gun control.

Also, there was no attempt to ban guns after Fred Hampton, just the continued framing, killing, and exiling of Panther after Panther.

Having guns as part of your movement is the government's wet dream. You can't beat their organization that way.

You are so fucking ignorant it is scary.


And Real deal, how the fuck is it not free speech? Its not like only citizens have that in America. Suddenly though somebody who is saying something that you don't agree with shouldn't have it? Free speech is all about subterfuge and subversion, somehow when Alex Jones is talking you agree, but when somebody who disagrees speaks, you fall in line behind your cult leader and justify why THE SPEECH  OF THE OPPOSITION MUST BE CRUSHED. Yeah, you really care about liberty.Fucking moron.
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2013, 02:24:28 PM »
TMKF, you don't really know what libertarianism means, do you? Libertarians don't support child pornography because IT HARMS THE CHILD! Libertarians believe in little to no regulation in personal lives WHEN IT DOES NOT HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!

And please tell me where I resorted to name calling (except that post where I did it to point out the fact that it was what you were resorting to quite early on in the debate). I didn't try to argue your quotes because I know them already and I don't agree with them. No rational human being does. What I instead tried to do was illustrate your inability to engage with pro-choice beliefs in any other manner than a eugenics one. Your inability shows the fact that you don't have a modern argument against abortion since that is not how people make pro-choice arguments today. That's it.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2013, 02:25:08 PM »
^ Nope, "libertarian" Alex Jones wants him deported because he was using free speech and taking advantage of freedom of press. Get out of here you freedom hater! I'm not a Piers Morgan fan, but Alex Jones is actually so stupid he makes him look good.


HAHAHA, now TKMF is using his ideology instead of facts. "Healthcare is a privilege, not a right, yadda yadda yadda." No discussion about effectiveness, capability, or the current corporatist state of healthcare where the laws are created just to protect the profit motive. So sad, so sad.


Real deal, I don't even know where to start. Just stop. In terms of what I am smart enough to know- its that you are using the same stupid Alex Jones technique where you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, but think that bringing up things that don't fit will make you seem wise. Bringing up a Hegelian dialectic doesn't make everything a conspiracy.

From now on, you only get this response until you answer me: If gun control scares the government, then why did they arm the black panthers and then kill them? Because all you are doing is taking it back far enough that it might relate- Both involve events on planet earth too! How fucking stupid can I be!!


Also, here is who you listen to:
Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan On Gun Control - CNN 1/7/2013

I'm not saying this so you realize it. I'm saying it so people can know how stupid and crazy you are. Nobody with half a brain believes the stupid shit you do. You care, that's great, now ACT on real issues instead of creating conspiracy theories.




He's not a citizen, therefore his propaganda intending to overthrow our constitution and bill of rights is an act of subversion, which was upheld by the supreme court during the communist era. However even Alex Jones said they did that to get attention.

The government isn't scared of arming people as long as it will eventually justify disarming them in the end.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2013, 02:27:32 PM »
Yeah man, because the U.S. government's precedents while caught up in McCarthyism are a great yardstick by which to measure justice.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2013, 02:36:21 PM »
You're implying that Piers Morgan?s anti-gun crusade and subversion of a guaranteed American Right is protected by free speech under the first amendment when it clearly isn?t since foreign nationals do not have absolute first amendment rights.

The fact that the first amendment does not apply to non-citizens was established in the Supreme Court?s affirmation of Bluman v. FEC in January 2012. The court?s decision rubber-stamped a District Court decision which found under its first amendment analysis that, ?The United States has a compelling interest in limiting the participation of foreign citizens in such activities, and ?thereby preventing foreign influence over the U.S. political process.?


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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2013, 02:38:32 PM »
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Odd how on the AWS site they have the graphic without "Infowars" printed on it. �I question, along with OP, the legitimacy of this collab.
http://www.alienworkshop.com/#/products/8/17/p_672

Also, Planned Parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions, those go towards other services for women's health.

Lastly, if you, TMKF, were a true libertarian you would recognize the rights of women to have an abortion despite your personal moral objections.
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I guess if I were a "true" libertarian I'd be down for child pornography too right? If government funds go to Planned Parenthood its helps them as a foundation, they are the largest abortion provider in the country, so that bs argument doesn't work.
Bad counter, child porn infringes on someone else (the child) so that would not fit in with the ideology.

And your argument is bs, the federal funding is used for pap smears, mammograms, and other services.  I recall a stat from election season that while PP is the largest abortion provider, only 3% of their activities are abortions.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2013, 02:39:08 PM »
You don't know about Fred Hampton?

The shut the fuck up moron. You don't get it. Look something up for once.

And no, its not like fast and furious, which you have decided is an anti-2nd amendment conspiracy despite the fact that Gun nut George W. Bush was the one who started it and no evidence of actions taken to make it lead to gun control.

Also, there was no attempt to ban guns after Fred Hampton, just the continued framing, killing, and exiling of Panther after Panther.

Having guns as part of your movement is the government's wet dream. You can't beat their organization that way.

You are so fucking ignorant it is scary.


And Real deal, how the fuck is it not free speech? Its not like only citizens have that in America. Suddenly though somebody who is saying something that you don't agree with shouldn't have it? Free speech is all about subterfuge and subversion, somehow when Alex Jones is talking you agree, but when somebody who disagrees speaks, you fall in line behind your cult leader and justify why THE SPEECH �OF THE OPPOSITION MUST BE CRUSHED. Yeah, you really care about liberty.Fucking moron.

George Bush may have posed as an American who was pro second amendment(a gun nut in your terms) in order to get elected, just as he promised a non interventionist foreign policy, no nation building, smaller government and to uphold the constitution. Meanwhile he illegally waged war on multiple countries, along with nation building, tripled the size of government and government spending, and essentially did away with the 4th and 5th amendment with the patriot act. Not to mention gave all his buddies the defense(offense) contracts. His pops called for a new world order multiple times, we know he was daddy's good little son who would ultimately continue that agenda after he got booted. Their new world order involves disarming the population of the world check out the UN treaties.

I don't have a problem with what Morgan says, because I don't feel threatened by it. He's unpopular and has extremely low ratings, I just think its sick how he tries to manipulate American's into giving up their constitutional rights by using dead children as an example when he's not even an American. I'm not saying he shouldn't have an opinion I don't think he should be silenced, I didn't sign the petition. I just disagree with him and his tactics. However what he is doing does fall into the definition of subversion.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2013, 02:45:53 PM »
This is the worst thing Alien Workshop has done! God damn.  Infowars is soooo fucking looney, it would have been cooler if they did a coast to coast collab, Chomsky or something more subtle. I'm shocked at this.
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2013, 02:54:57 PM »
This is the worst thing Alien Workshop has done! God damn.  Infowars is soooo fucking looney, it would have been cooler if they did a coast to coast collab, Chomsky or something more subtle. I'm shocked at this.


So telling ghost stories and discussing remote viewing isn't looney? I should say I am a fan of C2C. George Norrie pro model would be sick.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2013, 02:57:23 PM »
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Odd how on the AWS site they have the graphic without "Infowars" printed on it. �I question, along with OP, the legitimacy of this collab.
http://www.alienworkshop.com/#/products/8/17/p_672

Also, Planned Parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions, those go towards other services for women's health.

Lastly, if you, TMKF, were a true libertarian you would recognize the rights of women to have an abortion despite your personal moral objections.
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I guess if I were a "true" libertarian I'd be down for child pornography too right? If government funds go to Planned Parenthood its helps them as a foundation, they are the largest abortion provider in the country, so that bs argument doesn't work.
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Bad counter, child porn infringes on someone else (the child) so that would not fit in with the ideology.

And your argument is bs, the federal funding is used for pap smears, mammograms, and other services. �I recall a stat from election season that while PP is the largest abortion provider, only 3% of their activities are abortions.


I'm just wondering who protects the rights of the unborn? You think an unborn baby wants to be killed? If you see it as just a fetus thats your interpretation but I don't, I see it as an unborn living person. As I said if you guys wanna back murder and eugenics that's cool but I can't. I'd love to see the source that only 3% of Planned Parenthood is abortion. They perform close to half a million abortions a year...that's a large 3%. Even if that was true which I'm sure it isn't the federal funding helps them as an organization. I just don't think the government should be involved in giving organizations tax dollars, they should just let us keep that money and we can decide what organizations we want to donate to.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2013, 02:58:23 PM »
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This is the worst thing Alien Workshop has done! God damn. �Infowars is soooo fucking looney, it would have been cooler if they did a coast to coast collab, Chomsky or something more subtle. I'm shocked at this.

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So telling ghost stories and discussing remote viewing isn't looney? I should say I am a fan of C2C. George Norrie pro model would be sick.

It is looney, but no one takes it seriously.  Things like remote viewing, aliens etc, fit more in line with Alien's image.  It would have been more tongue in cheek. 
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2013, 03:01:20 PM »
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This is the worst thing Alien Workshop has done! God damn. �Infowars is soooo fucking looney, it would have been cooler if they did a coast to coast collab, Chomsky or something more subtle. I'm shocked at this.

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So telling ghost stories and discussing remote viewing isn't looney? I should say I am a fan of C2C. George Norrie pro model would be sick.
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It is looney, but no one takes it seriously.  Things like remote viewing, aliens etc, fit more in line with Alien's image.  It would have been more tongue in cheek.
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2013, 03:08:09 PM »
I can't even understand how Alex Jones is on the radio, like who let him on and who even listens and agrees, fucking madness.
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2013, 03:09:29 PM »
TMKF, you don't really know what libertarianism means, do you? Libertarians don't support child pornography because IT HARMS THE CHILD! Libertarians believe in little to no regulation in personal lives WHEN IT DOES NOT HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!

And please tell me where I resorted to name calling (except that post where I did it to point out the fact that it was what you were resorting to quite early on in the debate). I didn't try to argue your quotes because I know them already and I don't agree with them. No rational human being does. What I instead tried to do was illustrate your inability to engage with pro-choice beliefs in any other manner than a eugenics one. Your inability shows the fact that you don't have a modern argument against abortion since that is not how people make pro-choice arguments today. That's it.

I certainly know about libertarianism means, I'm a libertarian and have been for quite some time. I simply just see an unborn child as a person who has rights and not just a fetus. Therefore I see abortion as harming another human being.

I'm sorry I was mixed up your comments with someone elses, I apologize sir.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2013, 03:12:47 PM »


OK TMKF, so you shouldn't have an abortion if you think this 5 week old fetus is a person.

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« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2013, 03:26:51 PM »
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TMKF, you don't really know what libertarianism means, do you? Libertarians don't support child pornography because IT HARMS THE CHILD! Libertarians believe in little to no regulation in personal lives WHEN IT DOES NOT HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!

And please tell me where I resorted to name calling (except that post where I did it to point out the fact that it was what you were resorting to quite early on in the debate). I didn't try to argue your quotes because I know them already and I don't agree with them. No rational human being does. What I instead tried to do was illustrate your inability to engage with pro-choice beliefs in any other manner than a eugenics one. Your inability shows the fact that you don't have a modern argument against abortion since that is not how people make pro-choice arguments today. That's it.
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I certainly know about libertarianism means, I'm a libertarian and have been for quite some time. I simply just see an unborn child as a person who has rights and not just a fetus. Therefore I see abortion as harming another human being.

I'm sorry I was mixed up your comments with someone elses, I apologize sir.

Just shut up, it's nothing to do with what you're talking about.  This is about Alien Workshop doing a straight up kook collab with someone with no credibility. I'd expect this shit from a lesser company. 

What's next a Timothy McVeigh graphic? Koresh? American Resistance Movement?
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2013, 03:34:38 PM »
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TMKF, you don't really know what libertarianism means, do you? Libertarians don't support child pornography because IT HARMS THE CHILD! Libertarians believe in little to no regulation in personal lives WHEN IT DOES NOT HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!

And please tell me where I resorted to name calling (except that post where I did it to point out the fact that it was what you were resorting to quite early on in the debate). I didn't try to argue your quotes because I know them already and I don't agree with them. No rational human being does. What I instead tried to do was illustrate your inability to engage with pro-choice beliefs in any other manner than a eugenics one. Your inability shows the fact that you don't have a modern argument against abortion since that is not how people make pro-choice arguments today. That's it.
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I certainly know about libertarianism means, I'm a libertarian and have been for quite some time. I simply just see an unborn child as a person who has rights and not just a fetus. Therefore I see abortion as harming another human being.

I'm sorry I was mixed up your comments with someone elses, I apologize sir.
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Just shut up, it's nothing to do with what you're talking about.  This is about Alien Workshop doing a straight up kook collab with someone with no credibility. I'd expect this shit from a lesser company. 

What's next a Timothy McVeigh graphic? Koresh? American Resistance Movement?

Obviously Alein Workshop doesn't agree with you. Can you cite some examples of how Infowars has "no credibility" or perhaps justify comparing them to Timothy McVeigh?

This collab makes perfect sense to me, I think it's pretty rad that Alien Workshop is backing alternative media.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2013, 03:45:57 PM »
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Odd how on the AWS site they have the graphic without "Infowars" printed on it. �I question, along with OP, the legitimacy of this collab.
http://www.alienworkshop.com/#/products/8/17/p_672

Also, Planned Parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions, those go towards other services for women's health.

Lastly, if you, TMKF, were a true libertarian you would recognize the rights of women to have an abortion despite your personal moral objections.
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I guess if I were a "true" libertarian I'd be down for child pornography too right? If government funds go to Planned Parenthood its helps them as a foundation, they are the largest abortion provider in the country, so that bs argument doesn't work.
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Bad counter, child porn infringes on someone else (the child) so that would not fit in with the ideology.

And your argument is bs, the federal funding is used for pap smears, mammograms, and other services. �I recall a stat from election season that while PP is the largest abortion provider, only 3% of their activities are abortions.

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I'm just wondering who protects the rights of the unborn? You think an unborn baby wants to be killed? If you see it as just a fetus thats your interpretation but I don't, I see it as an unborn living person. As I said if you guys wanna back murder and eugenics that's cool but I can't. I'd love to see the source that only 3% of Planned Parenthood is abortion. They perform close to half a million abortions a year...that's a large 3%. Even if that was true which I'm sure it isn't the federal funding helps them as an organization. I just don't think the government should be involved in giving organizations tax dollars, they should just let us keep that money and we can decide what organizations we want to donate to.

You are embarrassing yourself. How old are you? What do you believe in?

Actually, I take that back: have you ever gotten another human being pregnant? Have you yourself ever been pregnant?

Shut the fuck up about abortion. It's not your fight and it's not your debate.

It's none of ours.

How can you believe in freedom and believe you have the right to tell another human being what to do with their body? I can't believe you can talk about an unborn baby not wanting to be killed and be anti free healthcare. Not that's it any sort of argument, but it puts holes in yours:

How many "free" abortions do you think people have because they can't afford to give birth to a child, or pay for the medicine and health care that child will require for the rest of it's life?


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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2013, 04:26:51 PM »
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TMKF, you don't really know what libertarianism means, do you? Libertarians don't support child pornography because IT HARMS THE CHILD! Libertarians believe in little to no regulation in personal lives WHEN IT DOES NOT HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!

And please tell me where I resorted to name calling (except that post where I did it to point out the fact that it was what you were resorting to quite early on in the debate). I didn't try to argue your quotes because I know them already and I don't agree with them. No rational human being does. What I instead tried to do was illustrate your inability to engage with pro-choice beliefs in any other manner than a eugenics one. Your inability shows the fact that you don't have a modern argument against abortion since that is not how people make pro-choice arguments today. That's it.
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I certainly know about libertarianism means, I'm a libertarian and have been for quite some time. I simply just see an unborn child as a person who has rights and not just a fetus. Therefore I see abortion as harming another human being.

I'm sorry I was mixed up your comments with someone elses, I apologize sir.
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Just shut up, it's nothing to do with what you're talking about.  This is about Alien Workshop doing a straight up kook collab with someone with no credibility. I'd expect this shit from a lesser company.  

What's next a Timothy McVeigh graphic? Koresh? American Resistance Movement?
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Obviously Alein Workshop doesn't agree with you. Can you cite some examples of how Infowars has "no credibility" or perhaps justify comparing them to Timothy McVeigh?

This collab makes perfect sense to me, I think it's pretty rad that Alien Workshop is backing alternative media.

Alternative fictional media, maybe. Alex Jones is a lunatic (I liked Gippers tin foil hat analogy) who grasps at any straw he can to try to justify a non existent point that he has built from the ground up. The reason he is on more obscure radio channels and the internet is because nothing he says really relates to anything except his own fame agenda, and no "credible" media outlet (term used very loosely) would put him on, other than to exploit his train wreck for ratings. He has created a caricature of himself, and the sillier he acts, the more attention he gets... and with that, the more sponsors and money he gets. The more fanny packs and skateboards he can sell.

The problem I have with "truthers", and Alex Jones specifically, is that they take away effort and spotlight from real cultural issues. This country does have a gun violence problem. That is an inarguable fact. Where you stand on what needs to be done about it is where the road divides, and the arguments start. Ranting and raving about the New World Order and how Obama's Hitler mustache is coming in nicely is taking away time, and even money, from people who have sound minds to come together and make an effort to come to a compromise. While Alex jones himself is in no position to really have any say in the legislation process, he is duping A LOT of stupid, stupid people to take his bait, and thus creating a movement that is nothing more than giant counterproductive measure against a compromise on the real issues.

Whenever presented with rational debate policies (No, I don't mean Piers Morgan... that guy is a kook too) Jones just yells at the top of his lungs about things that usually have nothing to do with the topic at hand. He isn't helping anything except himself, and is in fact diverting attention from efforts that might otherwise hold some merit on the actual problems at hand, not the fabricated ones.

No one needs to "win" this issue. There needs to be compromise with the American people as a whole at the heart of the concern, not personal agendas. Gun nuts spout their rhetoric, and gun abolishers spout theirs. This is basically arguing religion at this point. No one even listens to the other side, so no one is going to walk away with an altered opinion.

The discussion should start in the middle with the understanding that neither side of the coin is going to get exactly what they want, and work outward to protect the American people and the constitution in the best way possible, and attempt to make both sides as happy (or equally slighted) as possible. That is what compromise is.
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #79 on: January 18, 2013, 04:47:26 PM »
I think I hate all of you.

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TMKF, you don't really know what libertarianism means, do you? Libertarians don't support child pornography because IT HARMS THE CHILD! Libertarians believe in little to no regulation in personal lives WHEN IT DOES NOT HARM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!

And please tell me where I resorted to name calling (except that post where I did it to point out the fact that it was what you were resorting to quite early on in the debate). I didn't try to argue your quotes because I know them already and I don't agree with them. No rational human being does. What I instead tried to do was illustrate your inability to engage with pro-choice beliefs in any other manner than a eugenics one. Your inability shows the fact that you don't have a modern argument against abortion since that is not how people make pro-choice arguments today. That's it.
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I certainly know about libertarianism means, I'm a libertarian and have been for quite some time. I simply just see an unborn child as a person who has rights and not just a fetus. Therefore I see abortion as harming another human being.

I'm sorry I was mixed up your comments with someone elses, I apologize sir.
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Just shut up, it's nothing to do with what you're talking about. �This is about Alien Workshop doing a straight up kook collab with someone with no credibility. I'd expect this shit from a lesser company. �

What's next a Timothy McVeigh graphic? Koresh? American Resistance Movement?
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Obviously Alein Workshop doesn't agree with you. Can you cite some examples of how Infowars has "no credibility" or perhaps justify comparing them to Timothy McVeigh?

This collab makes perfect sense to me, I think it's pretty rad that Alien Workshop is backing alternative media.
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Alternative fictional media, maybe. Alex Jones is alunatic (I liked Gippers tin foil hat analogy) who grasps at any straw he can to try to justify a non existent point that he has built from the ground up. The reason he is on more obscure radio channels and the internet is because nothing he says really relates to anything except his own fame agenda, and no "credible" media outlet (term used very loosely) would put him on, other than to exploit his train wreck for ratings. He has created a caricature of himself, and the sillier he acts, the more attention he gets... and with that, the more sponsors and money he gets. The more fanny packs and skateboards he can sell.

The problem I have with "truthers", and Alex Jones specifically, is that they take away effort and spotlight from real cultural issues. This country does have a gun violence problem. That is an inarguable fact. Where you stand on what needs to be done about it is where the road divides, and the arguments start. Ranting and raving about the New World Order and how Obama's Hitler mustache is coming in nicely is taking away time, and even money, from people who have sound minds to come together and make an effort to come to a compromise. While Alex jones himself is in no position to really have any say in the legislation process, he is duping A LOT of stupid, stupid people to take his bait, and thus creating a movement that is nothing more than giant counterproductive measure against a compromise on the real issues.


Whenever presented with rational debate policies (No, I don't mean Piers Morgan... that guy is a kook too) Jones just yells at the top of his lungs about things that usually have nothing to do with the topic at hand. He isn't helping anything except himself, and is in fact diverting attention from efforts that might otherwise hold some merit on the actual problems at hand, not the fabricated ones.

No one needs to "win" this issue. There needs to be compromise with the American people as a whole at the heart of the concern, not personal agendas. Gun nuts spout their rhetoric, and gun abolishers spout theirs. This is basically arguing religion at this point. No one even listens to the other side, so no one is going to walk away with an altered opinion.

The discussion should start in the middle with the understanding that neither side of the coin is going to get exactly what they want, and work outward to protect the American people and the constitution in the best way possible, and attempt to make both sides as happy (or equally slighted) as possible. That is what compromise is.

Exactly, and if you mention any credible news outlet, from the Guardian to NYT to Washington Post to whoever etc  they're automatically "turncoats" to use their term and in on the agenda. The funny thing is these people can never give an answer to what the ultimate goal of a so called NWO would be. It all amounts to wasted energy, that does take away from real issues.

Alex Jones is the type of raving person you'd see in Workshop videos between parts like the "that's not what we were told" in Photosynthesis.
That is why this so wack.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2013, 05:14:08 PM »
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Odd how on the AWS site they have the graphic without "Infowars" printed on it. �I question, along with OP, the legitimacy of this collab.
http://www.alienworkshop.com/#/products/8/17/p_672

Also, Planned Parenthood does not use federal funding for abortions, those go towards other services for women's health.

Lastly, if you, TMKF, were a true libertarian you would recognize the rights of women to have an abortion despite your personal moral objections.
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I guess if I were a "true" libertarian I'd be down for child pornography too right? If government funds go to Planned Parenthood its helps them as a foundation, they are the largest abortion provider in the country, so that bs argument doesn't work.
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Bad counter, child porn infringes on someone else (the child) so that would not fit in with the ideology.

And your argument is bs, the federal funding is used for pap smears, mammograms, and other services. �I recall a stat from election season that while PP is the largest abortion provider, only 3% of their activities are abortions.

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I'm just wondering who protects the rights of the unborn? You think an unborn baby wants to be killed? If you see it as just a fetus thats your interpretation but I don't, I see it as an unborn living person. As I said if you guys wanna back murder and eugenics that's cool but I can't. I'd love to see the source that only 3% of Planned Parenthood is abortion. They perform close to half a million abortions a year...that's a large 3%. Even if that was true which I'm sure it isn't the federal funding helps them as an organization. I just don't think the government should be involved in giving organizations tax dollars, they should just let us keep that money and we can decide what organizations we want to donate to.
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You are embarrassing yourself. How old are you? What do you believe in?

Actually, I take that back: have you ever gotten another human being pregnant? Have you yourself ever been pregnant?

Shut the fuck up about abortion. It's not your fight and it's not your debate.

It's none of ours.

How can you believe in freedom and believe you have the right to tell another human being what to do with their body? I can't believe you can talk about an unborn baby not wanting to be killed and be anti free healthcare. Not that's it any sort of argument, but it puts holes in yours:

How many "free" abortions do you think people have because they can't afford to give birth to a child, or pay for the medicine and health care that child will require for the rest of it's life?



I'll be 29 on Monday. I don't have a kid, my wife and I are trying, no luck yet. We plan to adopt as well but want to try to have our own first.

I don't understand the argument that I don't understand freedom if I'm not for what I consider a form murder as well as a tool of eugenics. Which I pointed out earlier in the thread and posted all the sources. I understand the fetus debate I just don't agree with it. I'm not against contraception to prevent from getting pregnant but I feel like once you are that it is living person and if you intentionally kill it or "terminate" it then I'm not down for it. As I said to the others if you are that's your opinion and you're entitled to that opinion, I simply disagree.

As far as "free" Heathcare, there is no sub thing unless a doctor performs a procedure as a form of charity which I think is fine obvioisly. What I don't like and don't trust is state run healthcare which is for some reason labeled as free. Why? Because its not free. I think itll end up being like anything else the state takes over...the price will go up and the quality will go down. First of all it further creates dependency on the state, which I don't think is sustainable,  like Medicare and social security. It leaves the door open for corruption, back door deals and insider trading between Heathcare and insurance companies and their lobbyists and the politicians, ultimately creating more problems than solutions in the name of giving the people something better and free. Am I really crazy to think this? Are you going to claim this kind of stuff doesn't go on within government? I do think there needs to be some kind of reform that takes the government out of healthcare all together because they've proven incapable and not trustworthy. I don't think ripple understand that America is broke, they can't even pay our current bills, how would it be possible to add more? The US borrows .50cents of every dollar we print...this can't last forever. We're gonna be facing another financial crisis and the Gipper along with the government is gonna say its because we're not borrowing enough! Print print print......but I'm the crazy one.
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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2013, 05:34:25 PM »
This thread sure is something.

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« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2013, 05:47:32 PM »
you are out of your mind if you think entrusting our healthcare to corporations, who are out to make a profit, is a smart or reasonable thing to do. 
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« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2013, 05:50:13 PM »
do people actually buy skate brand sunglasses?

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« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2013, 05:58:13 PM »
Don't limit guns, because people will find ways to get what they want anyway, but ban abortion? Instead of doctors, clinics, and safe abortions, we'll go back to coat hangers, Chik-Fil-A bathrooms, and girls dying. Abortion prohibition isn't a real solution to proactively addressing unwanted pregnancies.

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2013, 06:01:13 PM »
you are out of your mind if you think entrusting our healthcare to corporations, who are out to make a profit, is a smart or reasonable thing to do.�

Out of my mind? Healthcare is provided by doctors who are individuals who have practices, or work for hospitals or treatment centers etc. Insurance companies are promdominently corporations. Do you think the government currently runs everything or should run everything? Have that proven to have our best interest at heart? Have you ever heard of a free market? What's wrong with making a profit for your work? Man this country is worse off than I thought...

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« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2013, 06:09:59 PM »
you are out of your mind if you think entrusting our healthcare to corporations, who are out to make a profit, is a smart or reasonable thing to do.  
The govt is trustworthy though right?

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« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2013, 06:10:08 PM »
I think TMKF has some valid points. �He's overstating things, but let's get to the core of some of these arguments.

It's a stretch to say that the pro-choice movement today is largely supported by eugenicists (it's supported by liberals who do not believe a fetus is human life). �Eugenics definitely played a role in the abortion movement early on, but these days there are very few eugenicists, and yes, its very disturbing that one of Obama's senior advisors suggests that reproductive freedom can take a backseat to achieving ideal population levels.


But, I think it makes very logical sense that tax dollars wouldn't go toward an organization doing something vehemently opposed by those financially supporting it. �There are two arguments people make here:

1: The funds are specifically meant for good things, like STD testing

To which I would reply STD testing is great, but it's still supporting an organization that roughly 100 million people in the US wouldn't willingly support.

And 2. �Only 3% of what they do is abortion. �Over 300,000 abortions is 3% of their services yes, but it accounts for $165 million (or 15%) of their revenue. �Saying 3% sounds a lot better than saying they make $165 on abortions. �

Whether its foreign wars or planned parenthood, our tax dollars shouldn't be spent on things that a significant amount of taxpayers are opposed to. �We're funding drones that have killed civilians in Pakistan, Yemen, and other countries. � I think we can all agree we're not okay with that.


There's one thing I can agree with Alex Jones on - you can't really trust this government. �

-The US govt interned Japanese Americans in the WWII era (I wouldn't have blamed any of them for using semi-automatics to defend against "government tyranny")

-The US govt knowingly withheld the cure to syphillis while experimenting on African Americans in the south up until the mid 70's during the Tuskegee experimens.

-The draft. �Yeah, some other countries do it. �But they don't send their troops to Vietnam. �

-The US joint chiefs of staff signed off on Operation Northwoods which would have been the US govt bombing Miami and other cities and blaming it on the Cubans so we could have had public support to go to war. �JFK didn't want to do it, JFK got killed and no one knows who was behind it besides this Lee Harvey Oswald guy.


It's funny that the ethnic groups with the least history of US government oppression (caucasians) are often the most insistent to protect themselves against it. �Yeah, they come off as crazy and overly paranoid. �But let's not get on the "we're not like them" train just because we don't want to be associated with truthers and gun lovers. �

The board graphic is good - think of how divided the country gets when you focus in on issues like legally purchased semi-automatic firearms, which statistically represent the tiniest of blips on the radar of deaths in the US. �

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Re: Alien Workshop x Right Wing ?!
« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2013, 06:10:58 PM »
Don't limit guns, because people will find ways to get what they want anyway, but ban abortion? Instead of doctors, clinics, and safe abortions, we'll go back to coat hangers, Chik-Fil-A bathrooms, and girls dying. Abortion prohibition isn't a real solution to proactively addressing unwanted pregnancies.

Good points.