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Why We Fight (A Film By Eugene Jarecki) (480p) (cc)

See also two time Medal of Honor Winner Marine Major General Smedley Butler's book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

Another interesting quote:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902?1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 06:46:46 AM »
See also:

http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/troops-dont-defend-freedoms/

THE TROOPS DONT DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS
by Jacob G. Hornberger
October 21, 2005

How often do we hear the claim that American troops defend our freedoms? The claim is made often by U.S. officials and is echoed far and wide across the land by television commentators, newspaper columnists, public-school teachers, and many others. It's even a common assertion that emanates on Sundays from many church pulpits.

Unfortunately, it just isn't so. In fact, the situation is the exact opposite the troops serve as the primary instrument by which both our freedoms and well-being are threatened.

Let's examine the three potential threats to our freedoms and the role that the troops play in them:

1. Foreign regimes

Every competent military analyst would tell us that the threat of a foreign invasion and conquest of America is nonexistent. No nation has the military capability of invading and conquering the United States. Not China, not Russia, not Iran, not North Korea, not Syria. Not anyone. To invade the United States with sufficient forces to conquer and pacify the entire nation would take millions of foreign troops and tens of thousands of ships and planes to transport them across the Atlantic or Pacific ocean. No foreign nation has such resources or military capabilities and no nation will have them for the foreseeable future.

After all, think about it: the U.S. army, the most powerful military force in all of history, has not been able to fully conquer such a small country as Iraq because of the level of domestic resistance to a foreign invasion. Imagine the level of military forces that would be needed to conquer and pacify a country as large and well-armed as the United States.

I repeat: No foreign nation has the military capability to invade the United States, conquer our country, subjugate our people, and take away our freedoms. Therefore, the troops are not needed to protect our freedoms from this nonexistent threat.

2. Terrorists

Despite widespread fears to the contrary, there is no possibility that terrorists will conquer the United States, take over the government, and take away our freedoms. At most, they are able to kill thousands of people, with, say, suicide bombs but they lack the military forces to subjugate the entire nation or any part of it.

Equally important, while the troops claim that they are protecting us from the terrorists, it is the troops themselves or, more precisely, the presidential orders they have loyally carried out that have engendered the very terrorist threats against which the troops say they are now needed to protect us.

Think back to 1989 and the years following when the Berlin Wall fell, East and West Germany were united, Soviet troops withdrew from Eastern Europe, and the Soviet Union was dismantled. The Pentagon didn't know what to do. Unexpectedly, its 50-year-old official enemy was gone. (The Soviet Union had previously been America's ally that had liberated Eastern Europe from Nazi Germany.) With the fall of the Soviet empire (and, actually, before the fall), the obvious question arose: Why should the United States continue to have an enormous standing army and spend billions of dollars in taxpayer money to keep it in existence?

The Pentagon was in desperate search for a new mission. We can be a big help in the war on drugs, the Pentagon said. To prove it, U.S. military forces even shot to death 18-year-old American citizen Esequiel Hernandez in 1997, as he tended his goats along the U.S.-Mexican border. We'll help American businesses compete in the world. We'll readjust NATO's mission to protect Europe from non-Soviet threats. We'll protect us from an unsafe world.

Then along came the Pentagon's old ally, Saddam Hussein, to whom the United States had even entrusted weapons of mass destruction to use against the Iranian people, and gave America's standing army a new raison d'etre. Invading Kuwait over an oil-drilling dispute, Saddam provided the Pentagon with a new official enemy, one that would last for more than 10 continuous years.

Obeying presidential orders to attack Iraq in 1991, without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war, the troops ended up killing tens of thousands of Iraqis. Obeying Pentagon orders to attack Iraq's water and sewage facilities, the troops accomplished exactly what Pentagon planners had anticipated spreading deadly infections and disease among the Iraqi people. Continuing to obey presidential orders in the years that followed, the troops enforced what was possibly the most brutal embargo in history, which ended up contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, deaths that U.S. officials said were worth it. Obeying presidential orders, the troops enforced the illegal no-fly zones over Iraq, which killed even more Iraqis, including children. Obeying presidential orders, the troops established themselves on Islamic holy lands with full knowledge of the anger and resentment that that would produce among devout Muslims. Obeying presidential orders, the troops invaded and occupied Iraq without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war, killing and maiming tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis that is, people whose worst crime was to resist the unlawful invasion of their homeland by a foreign power.

All that death and destruction both pre-9/11 and post-9/11 have given rise to terrible anger and hatred against the United States, which inspired the pre-9/11 attacks, such as the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, the attack on the USS Cole, and the attacks on overseas U.S. embassies, the 9/11 attacks, and the terrorist threats our nation faces today.

Through it all, the Pentagon simply echoed the claims of the president that all the death and destruction and humiliation that the U.S. government had wreaked on people in the Middle East, as well as its unconditional military and financial foreign aid to the Israeli government, had not engendered any adverse feelings in the Middle East against the United States. Instead, the president and the Pentagon claimed, the problem was that the terrorists simply hated America for its freedom and values.

If the American people had dismantled the nations standing army when the Soviet empire was dismantled, the federal government would have lacked the military means to meddle and intervene in the Middle East with unconstitutional military operations, sanctions, no-fly zones, bases, invasions, and occupations. Therefore, there never would have been the terrorists attacks against the United States and a war on terrorism for the troops to fight, not to mention the USA PATRIOT Act, secret search warrants and secret courts, the Padilla doctrine, and other federal infringements on our rights and freedoms.

Finally, but certainly important, despite being the most powerful standing army in the world, the U.S. troops were not even able to protect Americans from terrorist acts, as best evidenced by two terrorist attacks on the same target the World Trade Center, first in 1993 and then again in 2001.

3. The federal government

As our Founding Fathers understood so well, the primary threat to our freedom lies with our own government. That is in fact why we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to protect us and our freedoms from federal officials. If the federal government did not constitute such an enormous threat to our freedoms, there would be no reason to have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Yet, what is the primary means by which a government takes away the freedoms of its citizenry? Our American ancestors gave us the answer: its military forces. That is in fact why many of our Founding Fathers opposed a standing, professional military force in America they knew not only that such a force would be used to involve the nation in costly, senseless, and destructive wars abroad but also that government officials would inevitably use the troops to ensure a compliant and obedient citizenry at home.

Consider the words of James Madison:

A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.

Here's how Patrick Henry put it:

A standing army we shall have, also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny; and how are you to punish them? Will you order them to be punished? Who shall obey these orders? Will your mace-bearer be a match for a disciplined regiment?

Would U.S. troops obey presidential orders to deploy against the American people and take away our freedoms?

There is no doubt about it. Of course they would, especially if the president told them that our freedom and national security depended on it, which he would.

As I suggested in my article, The Troops Don't Support the Constitution in the United States the loyalty of the troops is to the president as their supreme commander of chief, not to the Constitution. Recent evidence of this point, as I observed in my article, was the willingness of the troops to obey presidential orders to deploy to Iraq despite the fact that the president had failed to secure the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war.

What if the president ordered the troops to deploy across the United States and to round up "terrorists" and incarcerate them in military camps, both here and in Cuba? Again, there can be no doubt that most of the troops would willingly obey the president's orders, especially in the middle of a "crisis" or "emergency" because they view themselves as professional soldiers whose job is to serve the president and not to question why but simply to do or die.

Another good example of the allegiance that the troops have toward the president involves the case of U.S. citizen Jose Padilla. Labeling Padilla a "terrorist," the president ordered the troops to take him into military custody, deny him access to an attorney, and punish him without a trial and due process of law. The troops obeyed without question. Do you know any troops who have publicly protested the Padilla incarceration or who have resigned from the army in protest? How many have publicly announced, I refuse to participate in the Padilla incarceration because I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution?

Indeed, how many of the troops resigned in protest at the president's orders to set up a prisoner camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, knowing that the reason he and the Pentagon chose Cuba, rather than the United States, was precisely to avoid the constraints of the Constitution?

If the troops didn't protest with respect to Iraq or Padilla or Gitmo, what is the likelihood they would protest when their commander in chief ordered them to arrest 100 other Americans terrorists, or 1,000?

I repeat: The troops, from the Pentagon on down, would not disobey orders of the president to disarm and arrest American �terrorists,� especially in the midst of a crisis or emergency.

And even if some were to protest, they would be quickly shunted aside (probably punished as well) and replaced with those troops whose allegiance and loyalty to the president would be unquestioned.

Now it's true that soldiers are supposed to disobey unlawful orders, but as a practical matter most of the troops are not going to overrule the judgment of their commander in chief as to what is legal or not. After all, how many troops involved in the torture and sex-abuse scandal refused to participate in the wrongdoing, especially since they thought that it was approved by the higher-ups? Again, how many refused orders to deploy to Iraq despite the fact that there was no constitutionally required congressional declaration of war?

Imagine that the president issues the following grave announcement on national television during prime time: Our nation has come under another terrorist attack. Our freedoms and our national security are at stake. I have issued orders to the Joint Chiefs of Staff to immediately take into custody some 1,000 American terrorists who have been identified by the FBI as having conspired to commit this dastardly attack or who have given aid and comfort to the enemy. I have also ordered the JCS to take all necessary steps to temporarily confiscate weapons in the areas where these terrorists are believed to be hiding. These weapons will be returned to the owners once the terrorist threat has subsided. I am calling on all Americans to support the troops in these endeavors, just as you are supporting them in their fight against terrorism in Iraq. We will survive. We will prevail. God bless America.

Now ask yourself: How many of the troops would disobey the orders of the president given those circumstances, especially if panicked and terrified Americans and the mainstream press were endorsing his martial-law orders?...


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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 06:53:48 AM »
I saw nothing anti-Semitic in your rant, so I refuse to read.
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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2013, 06:57:30 AM »
Rob, there is no need to be taking money from the US government to help enlist young naive skaters in useless wars so I hope you think twice before you decide to cash that next check for Street League sponsorship from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, and Marines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wars

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 07:25:41 AM »
Is SL partly sponsored by the army?

I've never seen it.
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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2013, 07:35:46 AM »
This guy saw a 7 year old movie and decided to get motivated...

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2013, 07:54:44 AM »
Always Air Force and Army and Navy commercials all over Street League and X-Games.


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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2013, 08:43:26 AM »


Damn son! I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2013, 08:56:22 AM »


Damn son! I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.
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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2013, 08:57:11 AM »
Haha, brilliant, just don't surf in the bloodied water, Rob!

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2013, 08:59:28 AM »
Yeah Dyrdik! Cuts it out ya kreep!

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2013, 09:06:24 AM »
Not everybody has the talent or 'motivation' to be a pro skater, and those who don't should go kill and be killed by poor kids from third world countries while Dyrdek pockets a cut.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2013, 09:10:24 AM by ChronicBluntSlider »

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 09:12:34 AM »
skate mags have ads for the armed forces as well.

interesting read, but a hopeless situation.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 09:33:28 AM »
skate mags have ads for the armed forces as well.

interesting read, but a hopeless situation.

Skate mags should cut that shit out too.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 09:39:38 AM »
NO WAR FOR STREET LEAGUE MEDALS

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2013, 10:22:50 AM »
NO WAR FOR STREET LEAGUE MEDALS
(Slow golf claps) Perfect.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2013, 10:31:25 AM »
IMPEACH DYRDEK. I WANT PROOF OF HIS CITEZINSHIP, I WOULD COMPARE HIM TO HITLER AND I HEARD HES ALSO MUSLIM. HE IS ALSO TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2013, 11:54:20 AM »
Rob wants to set up SL in Afghanistan, to be able to get a safe transport for all the opium that he plans to distribute via DC and the whole SL circus. Kinda like American Gangster, but more like "no so american gangster" since he isn't even a US citizen.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2013, 01:17:40 PM »
reality check, big events need money to happen and who's got a lot of money, well the armed forces do it's a no brainer, if you don't like it just don't watch it, that's what I do it's that simple, I mean what is the point in watching something you don't support and then writing a super long post that no one on here is gonna read, because in the end nothing will change from your rant, the army will still sponsor street league, the x-games, TWS, etc. and Dyrdek will still be making money, just find solace in the fact all you have to do is change the channel or just don't watch that youtube video to avoid seeing this stuff.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2013, 01:21:06 PM by Mainer »

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2013, 01:22:58 PM »
I saw nothing anti-Semitic in your rant, so I refuse to read.

Ctrl-F "sneaky jews"
example. i cant cast a spelll or love potion on a girl and she falls total in love for me
but i can show a girl my tv youtube clip on my or her phone. but there's a difference ok

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 02:26:31 PM »
skate mags have ads for the armed forces as well.

interesting read, but a hopeless situation.

from what i know this was a big part of the reason The Skateboard Mag crew left Transworld, they didn't want the non skateboarding ads and definitley didn't want the military ones.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 06:55:05 PM »
Who cares it's just an advertisement. If you're stupid enough to let a fucking ad convince you to enlist in the military you probably deserve to die overseas anyway. You should be stoked that the fucking government is paying to make skateboarding happen.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 07:01:59 PM »
Rob wants to set up SL in Afghanistan, to be able to get a safe transport for all the opium that he plans to distribute via DC and the whole SL circus. Kinda like American Gangster, but more like "no so american gangster" since he isn't even a US citizen.

You mean Nike. DC is not involved. Lol

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 07:15:48 PM »
If you're stupid enough to let a fucking ad convince you to enlist in the military you probably deserve to die overseas anyway.

you really shouldn't say things like that.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 07:22:14 PM »
I fucking hate the US military. the government wastes all our money on that bullshit. The military is the reason for the national debt

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2013, 07:45:03 PM »
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If you're stupid enough to let a fucking ad convince you to enlist in the military you probably deserve to die overseas anyway.
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you really shouldn't say things like that.

Maybe not, but really what kind of person makes a life decision like that because of a 5 second logo they saw while watching a skateboarding contest on tv or one page in a magazine? A fucking idiot thats who. It's goddamn Darwinism man.


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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2013, 07:59:49 PM »
I get what you're saying and agree with it. just worded harshly is all.


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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2013, 08:38:43 PM »

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2013, 09:07:36 PM »
This is the only time I'm going to click on this thread again.  OP, you are a kook.  We need an active Air Force.  Whether you agree with what we have done with it...well, write Obama or your Representative (they do respond by the way), don't post on fucking SLAP about it.

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Re: Dyrdek, Stop Taking Blood Money From the US Military for Street League
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2013, 08:49:49 AM »
All of you are complete idiots.