i usedta try em on ledges w/ no end like that and somehow we called them 'Losi' grinds. we were wrong and i was a fool for trying ugly nosegrind pop outs that maybe worked twice. julien did one in an old video so it seemed possible but now that lots of people can pop out i know it's easier as a nose manual than some crazy tweaked out, lipslide-y piece of shit. i still can't do em, just nosegrind ledges that end. caine gayle did one on a 10 stair that was so tweaked but big brother just called it a nosegrind so it must be.