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« Reply #3450 on: December 11, 2020, 08:38:08 PM »
been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.

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« Reply #3451 on: December 11, 2020, 10:30:04 PM »
been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.

I have SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101 and F4 99.    At the park, SPF are fastest - but my STFs are not far behind. I'm not sure why your STFs felt significantly slower.  Were they the same bearings?  Next, I find 101a F4 and 99a STF to be about the same speed at my super smooth park.  Slightly slower than 103 STF, but acceptable. 99 F4 to be the slowest of the bunch - and the only ones I find are too slow to ride there.

On the street, 99a STF and F4 are better.  101 F4s aren't too bad - much better than SPFs.

For me right now, if I had to have one setup only it would be 99a STF in a 54mm V5 and ceramic bearings. 

But instead I have 8-9 setups, because i have problems.

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« Reply #3452 on: December 11, 2020, 10:56:46 PM »
Anyone else had trouble finding Chargers lately? My go-to's on my big boy for cruising are the 80HD 54mm and I've been striking out on them over the past month or two

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« Reply #3453 on: December 11, 2020, 11:20:24 PM »
Anyone else had trouble finding Chargers lately? My go-to's on my big boy for cruising are the 80HD 54mm and I've been striking out on them over the past month or two

I am sure I saw some recently in a shop post, but I do follow a lot of shops so not sure I can recall where it was.

Also copied to the Spitfire Formula Four thread, just in case someone had seen some and can also post where.

For US, check Parade World, put in the cart and then look up where they are, but there are lots there.

https://www.paradeworld.com/search/?query=spitfire%20chargers


In Canada, Tiki Room has heaps of chargers, so check with your local as they might have some now too.

https://tikiroomskateboards.com/collections/spitfire
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« Reply #3454 on: December 12, 2020, 07:20:50 AM »
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been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.
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I have SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101 and F4 99.    At the park, SPF are fastest - but my STFs are not far behind. I'm not sure why your STFs felt significantly slower.  Were they the same bearings?  Next, I find 101a F4 and 99a STF to be about the same speed at my super smooth park.  Slightly slower than 103 STF, but acceptable. 99 F4 to be the slowest of the bunch - and the only ones I find are too slow to ride there.

On the street, 99a STF and F4 are better.  101 F4s aren't too bad - much better than SPFs.

For me right now, if I had to have one setup only it would be 99a STF in a 54mm V5 and ceramic bearings. 

But instead I have 8-9 setups, because i have problems.

they were swiss that needed a cleaning, but they were smaller too, 52s that might have even been worn. also back then i cranked down and used spacers, yeah...

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« Reply #3455 on: December 12, 2020, 08:08:01 AM »
After a few months on Loophole, which are pretty solid, I am going back to F4. The Loophole seem to be a bit too grippy in 99 to where they feel slower and just arenít as fun to ride. I liked them a bit more than my SML, but not enough to want them long term.

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« Reply #3456 on: December 12, 2020, 09:26:51 AM »
Why is it so incredibly difficult to find <51mm wheels these days?

Nobody seems to even make 48mm wheels anymore? Why?

I'm on a set of 99a 48mm Spitfire Low Downs now and actually dig the shape at 28mm wide, with a 17.5mm riding surface, but they're a little grippier than I'd like.

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« Reply #3457 on: December 12, 2020, 09:30:01 AM »
Why is it so incredibly difficult to find <51mm wheels these days?

Nobody seems to even make 48mm wheels anymore? Why?

I'm on a set of 99a 48mm Spitfire Low Downs now and actually dig the shape at 28mm wide, with a 17.5mm riding surface, but they're a little grippier than I'd like.

https://www.boardycakes.com/ have some.

Edit: I realise only the 42mm available atm. SML Wheels also have a 40mm and very soft  50 mm.


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« Reply #3458 on: December 12, 2020, 10:00:40 AM »
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

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« Reply #3459 on: December 12, 2020, 10:11:57 AM »
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

You can easily buy 50ís online. Iíd imagine a lot of shops donít feel the need to stock them due to low demand, but Iím not sure how that works. 52ís turn into 50ís rather quickly if you skate often.

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« Reply #3460 on: December 12, 2020, 10:40:15 AM »
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

Because they don't not sell very good. I rode 50mm for like 20 years. We at Sml. had to stop making them because we could't sell through even the minimum 125 sets we had to buy...basically 52 and up are the only solid sellers for us mom and pop brands.

We are working on a 48mm for next year but production times have doubled and in some cases tripled. So it's taking months just to get orders completed. 

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« Reply #3461 on: December 12, 2020, 03:15:25 PM »
I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.

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« Reply #3462 on: December 12, 2020, 03:52:08 PM »
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

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« Reply #3463 on: December 12, 2020, 06:58:27 PM »
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been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.
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I have SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101 and F4 99.    At the park, SPF are fastest - but my STFs are not far behind. I'm not sure why your STFs felt significantly slower.  Were they the same bearings?  Next, I find 101a F4 and 99a STF to be about the same speed at my super smooth park.  Slightly slower than 103 STF, but acceptable. 99 F4 to be the slowest of the bunch - and the only ones I find are too slow to ride there.

On the street, 99a STF and F4 are better.  101 F4s aren't too bad - much better than SPFs.

For me right now, if I had to have one setup only it would be 99a STF in a 54mm V5 and ceramic bearings. 

But instead I have 8-9 setups, because i have problems.


I can't ride SPFs on street, just feels weird. Nothing beats them in smooth park tho. Can't ride F4 or STF 99s in park too sluggish, thos the STF 99s are better than the F4s in parks.

SPF (park bowls only)
101 STF/F4 park/smooth street
Rough anything = 99a STFs

Currently running:

50mm 99a STFs V2
51mm 101 Ricta super slims (narrower than Spit Tabs, it's a 'v3 tablet')
51mm 101 F4 tabs

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3464 on: December 12, 2020, 07:24:33 PM »
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

Right now even more so because with covid problems and production issues, they are only making the most common sizes until they get back on top of the shortage and can get back to full production.  Just before the covid crisis really hit, the only sizes that were left in stock in the local distributor were 48, 50, 58 and 60mm wheels as all the others were sold out.

It is funny though because 52mm is only 1 single mm difference in height off the ground to 50 mm but I know some people who will have a fit if they cannot get 50mm wheels, but once they are a bit worn in or slightly more used to them, they have enjoyed 52mm just as much.

I know I can feel the difference too, but at least look around and get the closest for now until things get back closer to normal.


I had a look around (based on US shops):



Still in stock in some places, the Formula Four 50mm wheel (at Geometric skate shop or 303boards):

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spifire-formula-4-classic-50mm-99d-90-4493339066422/


Or just 50mm in general, add to cart, then see "More from this seller" to show the actual shop that has them:

https://www.paradeworld.com/search/?query=50mm


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #3465 on: December 12, 2020, 08:31:54 PM »
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

They look very similar to / the same as the SML wheels which are like (but not the same as) the classic Spitfire formula, which is not a bad thing.  I guess a lot of companies use wheels from certain manufacturers, who supply quite a few brands on the market.


From Cliff from the last page post and info about SML wheels: 

"So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability."

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3454496#msg3454496



This is the most in depth / close up pics I have seen of them, which does make them look pretty good.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGnfFtfptaC/

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« Reply #3466 on: December 12, 2020, 09:12:35 PM »
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

I think they're just creative, like the majority of the market. For what its worth, PFC (which is definitely creative) is going to be releasing new wheels in the near future. I don't think he's doing any really small ones in this first run though... I think he said 52 are the smallest. I would expect them to probably drop around January/February, or at least thats the timeline I heard a little while back. Not sure if the pandemic has pushed CU's production schedule back like other hardgoods.


Has anyone tried the 95a NFG yet? I've got a set (54mm squares) waiting for me when I get home next week. I'm really hoping its soft but not sticky, kinda like the creative 96a or OJ 97a formulas. I've tried the mini logo 95a hybrids and they're better than the old 90a ones but still a little too superball feeling for my tastes.

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« Reply #3467 on: December 13, 2020, 04:55:55 AM »
Iíve ridden my nfg 95a vee shape once and I like them. Seem to be similar performing but just cut the jittery and vibrations of a harder wheel on gravel or crusty pavement. Still barked a touch when slid. Need some more time with them

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« Reply #3468 on: December 13, 2020, 06:35:41 AM »
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

Iím skating them know and theyíre great. I usually skate a bones 83b slim. Iím riding 101a vinyl cut satoris and theyíre easily my favorite new wheel. Usually if I go softer than 83b I feel like the wheel is too sticky. This time it wasnít the case.

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« Reply #3469 on: December 13, 2020, 09:25:08 AM »
Because they don't not sell very good. I rode 50mm for like 20 years. We at Sml. had to stop making them because we could't sell through even the minimum 125 sets we had to buy...basically 52 and up are the only solid sellers for us mom and pop brands.

We are working on a 48mm for next year but production times have doubled and in some cases tripled. So it's taking months just to get orders completed.

I hear ya.

It's surprising that demand is so low for the smaller sizes.

Stoked to hear you're working on a 48. I'd love to see something like 27-28mm wide with a 18-19mm riding surface in your AG formula or maybe even a lil harder.

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« Reply #3470 on: December 13, 2020, 08:18:38 PM »
i couldn't skate 50mm wheels where i live. ground is way too rough in general. would be a skatepark only setup then.

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« Reply #3471 on: December 13, 2020, 08:44:20 PM »
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Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.
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I think they're just creative, like the majority of the market. For what its worth, PFC (which is definitely creative) is going to be releasing new wheels in the near future. I don't think he's doing any really small ones in this first run though... I think he said 52 are the smallest. I would expect them to probably drop around January/February, or at least thats the timeline I heard a little while back. Not sure if the pandemic has pushed CU's production schedule back like other hardgoods.


Has anyone tried the 95a NFG yet? I've got a set (54mm squares) waiting for me when I get home next week. I'm really hoping its soft but not sticky, kinda like the creative 96a or OJ 97a formulas. I've tried the mini logo 95a hybrids and they're better than the old 90a ones but still a little too superball feeling for my tastes.

I just set some 95a square up. They feel more like a 97 to me. They take just a bit more rattle out than my STF 99s, but donít feel soft.  It started snowing here, so I only have about half an hour on them in a parking lot.

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« Reply #3472 on: December 14, 2020, 03:15:05 PM »
I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.

I picked up a box of the 52mm tgm 12 wheel boxes and it only had one matching set of wheels in it. The others were random shape and durometers but there was a couple matching pairs so i picked up another box hoping that i would end up with at least 4 matching sets but the second box was worse than the first and didnt resemble the pictures at all. Ill be able to get 3 matching sets out of the 24 wheels with the rest being randoms/some pairs in shape, size, and weight. If anyone else grabbed these id be down to do a swap so we can get another set or 2 together. They should not have described the boxes as sets of wheels, just a box of 12 random wheels. One of the most disappointing skate purchases i have ever made.

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« Reply #3473 on: December 15, 2020, 05:23:34 AM »
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I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.
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I picked up a box of the 52mm tgm 12 wheel boxes and it only had one matching set of wheels in it. The others were random shape and durometers but there was a couple matching pairs so i picked up another box hoping that i would end up with at least 4 matching sets but the second box was worse than the first and didnt resemble the pictures at all. Ill be able to get 3 matching sets out of the 24 wheels with the rest being randoms/some pairs in shape, size, and weight. If anyone else grabbed these id be down to do a swap so we can get another set or 2 together. They should not have described the boxes as sets of wheels, just a box of 12 random wheels. One of the most disappointing skate purchases i have ever made.

That hurt to read.
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« Reply #3474 on: December 15, 2020, 08:53:29 AM »
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I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.
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I picked up a box of the 52mm tgm 12 wheel boxes and it only had one matching set of wheels in it. The others were random shape and durometers but there was a couple matching pairs so i picked up another box hoping that i would end up with at least 4 matching sets but the second box was worse than the first and didnt resemble the pictures at all. Ill be able to get 3 matching sets out of the 24 wheels with the rest being randoms/some pairs in shape, size, and weight. If anyone else grabbed these id be down to do a swap so we can get another set or 2 together. They should not have described the boxes as sets of wheels, just a box of 12 random wheels. One of the most disappointing skate purchases i have ever made.
Hands down the stupidest idea for a mystery box ever.

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« Reply #3475 on: December 19, 2020, 12:32:43 PM »
did a few slappies and powerslidees on some Satori today, they felt grippier than my 99 f4

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« Reply #3476 on: December 19, 2020, 01:01:03 PM »
Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4ís? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those

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« Reply #3477 on: December 19, 2020, 08:45:22 PM »
Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4ís? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those

Not without the added unwanted bonus of possible flatspots, as most other super hard wheels I have seen or riden end up very easily flatspotted, including OJs insaneathane (not elite) and a few local Australian companies who use wheels from other big manufacturers.  Anything that states it uses the B scale rather than the A scale is usually going to be much harder.

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« Reply #3478 on: December 19, 2020, 09:26:23 PM »
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Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4ís? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those
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Not without the added unwanted bonus of possible flatspots, as most other super hard wheels I have seen or riden end up very easily flatspotted, including OJs insaneathane (not elite) and a few local Australian companies who use wheels from other big manufacturers.  Anything that states it uses the B scale rather than the A scale is usually going to be much harder.

The funny thing is that Iíve tried a fair amount of harder wheels and while Iíve never had flat spots, none have come anywhere close to sliding like F4ís or Stfs (the harder ones, not 99a). Oj elites 101a, Loophole/NFG, Minilogo 101, they all feel pretty grippy in comparison. Iím guessing itís more a formula thing

I guess I donít really have any reason to look around, as  F4ís get the job done for me, but Iím curious to see how slippery a wheel I can skate without getting wrecked. Maybe Iíll try those insane a thanes if I can find them cheap

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« Reply #3479 on: December 19, 2020, 09:47:15 PM »
I just did a mini comparison between my hard AF 101a dgk wheels and new F4 99a tablets. The 99 F4s definitely stay sliding easier, and grip better on dusty or clean concrete. Now I get it.

I don't think I'm quite at the experience level where I can benefit from them, but come spring/summer hopefully I'll get looser with it.

I am starting to like them more the more I use them too. I just need to get better to access this potential.

The more I skate them, the more I notice they are a bit slower than my other wheels though. However, I have this 1mm metal nail head sticking out of my garage that I always ride over. These wheels take it in stride best for their relative size. They are planted but not too sticky.