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[Xen]

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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.

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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine

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Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.

It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.

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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.

[close]

  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine

[close]

Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.

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It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.

I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

Just wanting to comment OJ elites are the best. Running worn down 54mm 101a hardlines.

Was skating at the slickest park in town, with spotty, residual wetness from the rain, and still didn't slip out. Obviously I stayed out of the actual wet spots, but I was still snail-trailin here and there.

Lovely consistency, easy to break into slides without being slippery (beautiful bark also), almost no friction on grinds, great shape. Hard to be better than F4 or Bones Xwhatever, but I'll recommend Elites to anyone who'll listen.

[Texas_Tone]

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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.

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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine

[close]

Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.

[close]

It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.

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I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.

Better than making a separate thread about it……

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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.

[close]

  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine

[close]

Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.

[close]

It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.

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I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.

i was one of the ones that skated my dragons like 3x’s and then started talking shit. i loved the quiet, smooth, less foot pain. hated the lack of speed checks: everybody, but me, seems to like how they slide. they didn’t slide, for me. i was trying to use them in some really really really old, extremely rough roads. f4 99s are slower on the roads, but the harder wheel speed checks fine, where as only for me, the softer dragons didn’t slide and slip over the top of the crappy roads.
but maybe they’ll break in. i was just over it, and weather has been blocking me from doing much skating.
just got x97s, to give it another shot.

i’m one of those annoying hive-minders that just wants to ride the fire.
i mean i love the idea of a softer wheel that hurts my joints less, and can roll over crud, without being a 56 radial full.
but im so into the way f4s feel….

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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.

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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine

[close]

Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.

[close]

It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.

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I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.

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i was one of the ones that skated my dragons like 3x’s and then started talking shit. i loved the quiet, smooth, less foot pain. hated the lack of speed checks: everybody, but me, seems to like how they slide. they didn’t slide, for me. i was trying to use them in some really really really old, extremely rough roads. f4 99s are slower on the roads, but the harder wheel speed checks fine, where as only for me, the softer dragons didn’t slide and slip over the top of the crappy roads.
but maybe they’ll break in. i was just over it, and weather has been blocking me from doing much skating.
just got x97s, to give it another shot.

i’m one of those annoying hive-minders that just wants to ride the fire.
i mean i love the idea of a softer wheel that hurts my joints less, and can roll over crud, without being a 56 radial full.
but im so into the way f4s feel….

Not gonna lie, I held off because of the same thought process. Then i heard from the local shop when they came for the premiere (in Austin) that all the LateNiteStars guys ride dragons now. And it now has some underground cool points. I'm enjoying them so far. Just hope that they start working for my local park's quarterpipes since I would like to not have to change them out so often.

[Xen]

Using dragons in a park setting is counterintuitive, you essentially lose all the benefits the formula offers, and speed...it's not what they're made for...Really, it isn't.

If you have to have something softer go x99s, they're gonna work great in park, and everywhere else so no need to swap wheels...or just go spit 99s.

I don't even touch my dragons anymore, there’s one spot that’s just rough as shit and the X 97 serve that purpose; everywhere else I could probably ride spit 99 A’s and not think twice but I like the rebound feel /  the softer vibration deadening, the X 99 offer.

[logjammin]

It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

[rocklobster]

It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

[rikki]

Just wanting to comment OJ elites are the best. Running worn down 54mm 101a hardlines.

Was skating at the slickest park in town, with spotty, residual wetness from the rain, and still didn't slip out. Obviously I stayed out of the actual wet spots, but I was still snail-trailin here and there.

Lovely consistency, easy to break into slides without being slippery (beautiful bark also), almost no friction on grinds, great shape. Hard to be better than F4 or Bones Xwhatever, but I'll recommend Elites to anyone who'll listen.

Definitely agree. Underrated wheels. They have a great combination of mojo and performance. Plus the Hardline shape is great.

[logjammin]

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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

[rocklobster]

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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

[close]

Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

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Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

classics are the best shape tho

i think these x97s, that i just purchased, are v1s. shape looks nice.
has a chain graphic that would not have looked out of place on a rogue status stars n straps model.
i mean its gotta come back around. seen some von dutch. just a matter of time and that bones graphic on the lower 3rd of the t shirt is gonna hit

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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

[close]

Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

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Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

Honestly, I don't think they even try anymore...old heads buy every colorway of every re-issue without any marketing at all...and those SPF users (see reissues) are locked in...STF could have used some love, honestly surprised they didn't put these under the Bones flag as STFx or some shit.

They used social and youtube to push the xformula and word of mouth killed it for these things, because they're legit. It'd be hard to print out catalog for a drop with 'new formula x' and get shops to bite you know? Second place is hard to shake after what, a decade? They never bounced back after F4s hit, and they let the last team go...for this new one...how the mighty company behind the Bone Brigade just let that shit go is beyond me.

We get Dan and Andy as poster boys....far cry from Hawk and Cab....hell Siaz and Martinez.

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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

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Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

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classics are the best shape tho

i think these x97s, that i just purchased, are v1s. shape looks nice.
has a chain graphic that would not have looked out of place on a rogue status stars n straps model.
i mean its gotta come back around. seen some von dutch. just a matter of time and that bones graphic on the lower 3rd of the t shirt is gonna hit

Lol, those are the exact ones I'm gonna get, in 54mm. I'll definitely be acetoning that shitty graphic off for sure. I love fatty wheels like radial fulls but at the end of the day I think I've learned the classic round shape just...works. If they released the x97 in that "fatties" shape which is even a bit beefier than a classic full, that would be amazing.

[Xen]

V6 x99 (or x97 if that's your pleasure), especially at 54mm+, should not be discounted. Barge wheel.

[rikki]

X99 V5 in 54 or 55mm has quickly become my go to wheel. There's no perfect all around wheel, but these check a lot of boxes.

That said, if they released an X101, I'd definitely be very, very interested.

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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.

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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

[close]

Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

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classics are the best shape tho

i think these x97s, that i just purchased, are v1s. shape looks nice.
has a chain graphic that would not have looked out of place on a rogue status stars n straps model.
i mean its gotta come back around. seen some von dutch. just a matter of time and that bones graphic on the lower 3rd of the t shirt is gonna hit

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Lol, those are the exact ones I'm gonna get, in 54mm. I'll definitely be acetoning that shitty graphic off for sure. I love fatty wheels like radial fulls but at the end of the day I think I've learned the classic round shape just...works. If they released the x97 in that "fatties" shape which is even a bit beefier than a classic full, that would be amazing.

Yes that "fatties" shape is great. Think it's V4? They seem to be forgoing it for V6 these days, esp with the latest X formula wheels. It is basically a classic full. I have some old Schroeder 62mm V4 SPF's that will never die.

Yesterday to experiment I went back to the CF F4 99a that I used to ride at my local. They really felt "dead" and cumbersome. After 30 min switched back to X99. They work better for me for any situation besides the slick bowls when my poor form warrants OJ Elite.

[JimmyFive]

X99 V5 in 54 or 55mm has quickly become my go to wheel. There's no perfect all around wheel, but these check a lot of boxes.

That said, if they released a X101, I'd definitely be very, very interested.

I enquired with Bones around a X101 out of interest. No plans as yet..

[rikki]

Yesterday to experiment I went back to the CF F4 99a that I used to ride at my local. They really felt "dead" and cumbersome. After 30 min switched back to X99. They work better for me for any situation besides the slick bowls when my poor form warrants OJ Elite.

Yeah, it's funny how "dead" really is a good word to (at least partly) describe the feeling of going back to normal hard wheels after X99. I've grown to really like their nice rebound, combined with the fact that my feet feel less sore after a long sesh on them.

Plus, funnily enough, when I recently switched back to OJ Elite 99s for one session after being on X99s for some time now, my ollie/pop somehow went to shit for a while. I mean, what gives? Does wheel rebound affect one's ollie? I was surprised to say the least.

[Enrico Pallazzo]

I wish the V6 shape came in a 58 or 60 purely from an aesthetic standpoint. The 58 V5s I have right now work perfectly well but I’ve always liked a big fat wheel and they’re missing out on the fat aspect.

Maybe I just need to slide them down a little more to round them out.

[rocklobster]

I wish the V6 shape came in a 58 or 60 purely from an aesthetic standpoint. The 58 V5s I have right now work perfectly well but I’ve always liked a big fat wheel and they’re missing out on the fat aspect.

Maybe I just need to slide them down a little more to round them out.

Good luck wearing these down, they last forever!

[Oog]

Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?

[bombsaway86]

Anybody who’s been on the x99s for a while, how do they compare to F4 99 for park/bowl skating. I’m specifically interested if the x99s are as fast and if they slide/revert as well as F4s

[moonordie]

Just for anybody who might need it: V5 and CF, both 53mm

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I wish the V6 shape came in a 58 or 60 purely from an aesthetic standpoint. The 58 V5s I have right now work perfectly well but I’ve always liked a big fat wheel and they’re missing out on the fat aspect.

Maybe I just need to slide them down a little more to round them out.

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Good luck wearing these down, they last forever!

Exactly what I was scared of hearing, foiled again by Bones Incorporated

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Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?

I skate mostly parking lots that are asphalt. The ground smoothness varies a lot. And yes, the softer duro wheels have helped me to skate longer because they dampen vibrations. My feet are less achy and less tired. I noticed I could go forvever with 78s, with 93s I can skate longer than say F4 97/99 but I like harder wheels on smooth park surface and mini ramps.

[Jackismydogsname]

Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?

Currently in rural Arizona, raked concrete and roads from the gold rush. I have upmost respect for the east coast weathered rough, the only thing "smooth" near me is the highway. It's not my feet but overall body just gets more joy rolling around on dragons, even my teeth feel better! I would be on 101a and separate designated cruiser when move back to Phoenix.

[iw0]

Just for anybody who might need it: V5 and CF, both 53mm

this was the exact post i was looking for after catching up on the last few pages, ty

[doyle]

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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.

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They are generally quiet, depending on the terrain of course. On smooth surfaces they are pretty much dead silent. Some noise on rougher ground, but nothing like normal hard wheels. I'd say go with Dragons.

A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.