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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #120 on: January 16, 2022, 08:02:44 PM »
I grew up in a working class household where nobody went to college. I was the first in my family to do it. It cost a decent amount but at the time all I could think of was that I would rather die than work for some f****** corporation. University was one way to delay that until I could figure something else out.

I went to college for a so-called useless English degree I wanted to be able to study something that was about everything but philosophy departments in the United States are very narrow-minded and dogmatic or at least they were when I was in university. After that I decided to get a graduate degree in linguistics I did a terminal master's degree because I found the dominant tendencies in the research culture to be narrow-minded and uninspiring. After that I taught English in various countries for a few years and then decided to become a teacher and got another graduate degree in education subsidized by the city I work in.

As a teacher I work in a job where we have 35 hour weeks and vacations at the level that every worker should have and that every worker would have in a socialist society. If I had not gone to school and I hated high school with a passion I would have ended up working a job that I hated even more.

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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #121 on: January 17, 2022, 12:37:13 AM »
I went to uni cos I thought it was the thing to do. I am now chartered with some years experience but I always hated every moment of the jobs I did in my field.
It might be cos I had to sacrifice skating and socialising the whole time I was studying but as it stands I will do any random unrelated unqualified part time job (20-25h) rather than sitting at a desk 8+h a day.
I'd rather have less money but more freedom then being (still not so) loaded and looking forward to the weekend / holidays to have fun.
This is cos I have no plans of having kids / family / mortgage though. I respect the hustle if that's what you're into.

Breaking point was when I was doing this long commute everyday feeling like that dude from Office Space.
It makes me laugh every time but fuck that shit.



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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #122 on: August 16, 2022, 03:50:48 AM »
I think that you need to go to university if you want to get deep knowledge in a field that interests you.

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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #123 on: August 16, 2022, 06:18:53 AM »
At age 15 I figured my skating wasn't coming close to the level of my idols so I focused on my studies, kept skating for fun, decided as a young buck to chase a degree rather than a sponsor, later became a dentist and I've been sponsoring myself last 10 years, can't complain, life its good.

Some of my skating peers never understood their chances and blindly believed they were gonna make it, somehow, in our small rainy city in the southern part of our southamerican third world country with no connections to the local industry or sponsor tapes... of course it never happened.

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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2022, 06:24:07 AM »
When is Nik stain gonna talk about his bsc in math from temple in an interview???

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« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2022, 06:25:48 AM »
When is Nik stain gonna talk about his bsc in math from temple in an interview???
we need the Heckride interview ASAP
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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #126 on: August 16, 2022, 08:29:36 AM »
college used to have value. now it rots brains and indoctrinates. kids come out feeling and thinking that their feelings have objective merit.

College is the reason I’m sitting in my 700k house and am literally getting paid to tell you what an uneducated conservative talking point this is. Go to the library son.

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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2022, 01:45:53 PM »
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College is the reason I’m sitting in my 700k house and am literally getting paid to tell you what an uneducated conservative talking point this is. Go to the library son.

I didn’t go to college and my house costs more than that.
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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2022, 02:06:33 PM »
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college used to have value. now it rots brains and indoctrinates. kids come out feeling and thinking that their feelings have objective merit.
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College is the reason I’m sitting in my 700k house and am literally getting paid to tell you what an uneducated conservative talking point this is. Go to the library son.
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I didn’t go to college and my house costs more than that.

my house does not cost more than that but I probably make similar money to both of you and I work at a UARC but have zero college experience.  it is all relative to what you do
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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2022, 03:20:32 PM »
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I didn’t go to college and my house costs more than that.

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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2022, 03:31:58 PM »
at least we still have good quality public colleges/universitys in brazil. you take a exam/test to get in. im a history teacher to 11 to 16 yo kids in a state school. I like being a teacher, but they could pay us more.

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« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2022, 03:36:24 PM »
I used to work on a college campus that had crazy religious people holding up signs of dead fetuses and shit on campus pretty regularly. That group was led by a church. No surprise there. But get this— The pastor of that church actually tried to pick me up in a sauna at LA Fitness.

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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #132 on: August 16, 2022, 04:01:26 PM »
I went to grad school at Temple, the school with the dope skate plaza that a ton of skaters, including a few pros, can claim as their alma mater. Probably the most of any American university.

I also went to grad school for free and had way more fun than I did undergrad.
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Re: JENKEM: College? A perspective from pro skateboarders.
« Reply #133 on: August 16, 2022, 04:24:08 PM »
It's a weird double-edged sword, for sure. But it's always about instant vs delayed gratification, isn't it?

On the one hand, you lose a bunch of freedom when you're young, but you set yourself up (potentially) for the rest of your life. And honestly, the odds of you going pro are slim to none. The odds of a BA helping you to land a better job than without the BA are way higher. And sure, there are lots of great jobs for which you don't need a degree, but you'll need some sort of apprenticeship or trade school.

My own experience was this: I was sponsored for years. I got to travel and see the world via skating and I thought I was the luckiest dude in the world. I even started college before that happened and then dropped out to skate. But then, one day when I was pushing 26 or 27, it became painfully obvious that I was never going to get my name on a board. And even if I had? I would've been B or C-level at best and never in my life have made enough money to live off of, let alone retire on. Even if I had stuck it out and maybe (maybe?) turned pro at 30 (like some people have, and fucking A good for them), I would certainly have had to do a second act in life when that ride ended. But trying to figure out your second act at 35 or 38 or 40 is a hell of a lot more difficult than at 26. So I kept skating and came up with a contingency plan: go back to college, get an artsy fartsy degree and see what happens. Then I went to grad school and somehow was lucky enough to get a job that I love and still leaves me time to skate while still contributing to a 401K and not constantly worrying about blowing out a knee in my twilight years.

Not turning pro was the best thing that ever happened to me, in hindsight. I talk to a lot of my friends who are pro (but, like, B or C-level, whose shoe money is gone, who are barely holding onto those boards) and have no clue what's going to happen when the gravy train comes to a stop. Team managing? Maybe? Repping? Sales? Sure. All in the skateboard industry, and none of them with a real long term prospect.

I know they're smart dudes who are going to somehow land on their feet, but being 37 without a resume or marketable skills? That's fucking tough.

But again, the double edged sword: fuck man, they got to live, see the world on a board, briefly become "skateboard famous," and do it all on someone else's dime with smiles on their faces.

Who's to say if the trade-off is worth it?

Fuck, I love skating.


My skate career followed a similar trajectory.  I moved out west to chase the dream but realized that I wasn't going to ever go pro.  I had sponsors, small checks, monthly boxes, and free trips, but could never break through to having it be a viable career.  In that time I became friends with a lot of Ams/Pros and saw that hardly any of them were heading in a direction of retirement, but rather they would be facing the same crisis I faced at 25 except they would be facing it later in life and being even further behind once the ride ended.

I had what I call my quarter-life crisis at age 23, along with my girlfriend basically telling me I was a man-child chasing a dream that was never going to happen.  We ended up breaking up and I focused on myself and started applying for any job I could find.  I had a short resume and a small design portfolio from a job I had that I ended up leaving to "focus on my skating."  I applied to colleges, but was in a really tough place financially and just didn't know how to do it.  Instead, I put my entire focus into mastering software and learning everything I could while hustling and freelancing for clients.  I was able to get a design position with a salary/benefits and that's what really opened my eyes.  I was able to afford my own place/car/food, and still had plenty of time to skate along with the added bonus of working in the industry. 

That was over a decade ago, and I have seen many of my friends turn pro, but I soon realized it doesn't equal the riches and success that I had always associated with getting your name on a board.  Those same friends have told me they're now jealous of where I am at in my life and career. So In a roundabout way, I feel like I have achieved "Pro" status in my career rather than my skating. I still get to travel, and design products for brands I aspired to ride for or wear, and I still skate a fair amount without the pressure of worrying about producing footage or having my injury-riddled carcass clipped from the roster to make room for the next up and comer. 

It's cool to see some of the other posters on here have followed a similar trajectory.