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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9570 on: December 18, 2020, 10:10:29 AM »
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry canít meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesnít make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

Iíd prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didnít know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But Iíd prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.

Again, all neo-con myths. Goods being produced closer doesnít mean more or better jobs depending on the labor structure nearby and the wages and specialization required for such jobs. Ermico isnít employing hundreds of specialized workers and its extremely unlikely they have any impact on local employment or local economy. Theyíre just a foundry that has been used for a while and likely just employ whatever union workers need a gig.

I donít care about their profits more about the myths that any of this really matters. I more have an issue with skaters, who claim to be about generally libertarian, anarchist, or leftist principles being a giant oxymoron by adopting conservative talking points about things like trucks just so they sound more core.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9571 on: December 18, 2020, 10:33:56 AM »
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry canít meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesnít make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

Iíd prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didnít know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But Iíd prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.
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Again, all neo-con myths. Goods being produced closer doesnít mean more or better jobs depending on the labor structure nearby and the wages and specialization required for such jobs. Ermico isnít employing hundreds of specialized workers and its extremely unlikely they have any impact on local employment or local economy. Theyíre just a foundry that has been used for a while and likely just employ whatever union workers need a gig.

I donít care about their profits more about the myths that any of this really matters. I more have an issue with skaters, who claim to be about generally libertarian, anarchist, or leftist principles being a giant oxymoron by adopting conservative talking points about things like trucks just so they sound more core.


lol. Sound more core.





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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9572 on: December 18, 2020, 10:41:50 AM »
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How have skaters not realized that the anti China talk is:

1. Bullshit. Chinese manufacturing at scale is often as high or higher quality than American. Many high end composite and metal parts are made in China in other industries.
2. Protectionist MAGA rhetoric. Literally the same shit Trump and his supporters say.

My Chinese Indys ride the same as my American ones and there is no difference in quality. I get it if people are mad that NHS moved production away from Ermico and stopped supporting a foundry that has a history in skating, but it said foundry canít meet production targets at a competitive cost there is a point where it doesnít make sense to use them.
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Bullshit, to your bullshit.

Iíd prefer, to the point of paying significantly more, things to be manufactured closer to me, for a many reasons, including: jobs for people closer to me, less shipping stuff around the world, hopefully better protections for the workers, hopefully better protections for the environment.

Didnít know you were a fucking stockholder in all major truck brands. Why the fuck do you care about their profits so much?

I buy trucks made in China. But Iíd prefer to buy trucks made in the USA.
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Again, all neo-con myths. Goods being produced closer doesnít mean more or better jobs depending on the labor structure nearby and the wages and specialization required for such jobs. Ermico isnít employing hundreds of specialized workers and its extremely unlikely they have any impact on local employment or local economy. Theyíre just a foundry that has been used for a while and likely just employ whatever union workers need a gig.

I donít care about their profits more about the myths that any of this really matters. I more have an issue with skaters, who claim to be about generally libertarian, anarchist, or leftist principles being a giant oxymoron by adopting conservative talking points about things like trucks just so they sound more core.

Do you know what neocon means?

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« Reply #9573 on: December 18, 2020, 10:49:35 AM »
It is not a myth that American companies manufacture product in other countries to save money at the expense of people's lives and the environment. If regulations in China were closer to other developed nations, everyone would probably be riding American made trucks.

It is bigger than skateboarding so I have no idea how supporting American made products can be "core." It has been a bipartisan working class belief for decades.

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« Reply #9574 on: December 18, 2020, 11:20:17 AM »
Interestingly there are certain industries that operate just as cleanly in China and other developing countries. Itís not 1:1. Composites are often made in China and Taiwan because there is much tighter quality controls and lower cost of making molds. The industry itself looks almost no different than it does here, and there is often more R&D money pouring in. Assuming things are universally barbaric is again, xenophobic.

And yes I know what neo con means and I classify this talking point as neo con because it first became popular in the early 1970s when manufacturing in begin to move East and picked up steam in the 80ís when economists and security scholars begin to weave social, moral, and other arguments to protectionism when they lacked the data to make typical arguments.

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« Reply #9575 on: December 18, 2020, 12:07:27 PM »
Interestingly there are certain industries that operate just as cleanly in China and other developing countries. Itís not 1:1. Composites are often made in China and Taiwan because there is much tighter quality controls and lower cost of making molds. The industry itself looks almost no different than it does here, and there is often more R&D money pouring in. Assuming things are universally barbaric is again, xenophobic.

And yes I know what neo con means and I classify this talking point as neo con because it first became popular in the early 1970s when manufacturing in begin to move East and picked up steam in the 80ís when economists and security scholars begin to weave social, moral, and other arguments to protectionism when they lacked the data to make typical arguments.

I don't think it's xenophobic to recognize that american companies exploited the fact that China had an abundance of low wage workers and permissive regulations when moving into the global economy in the late 70's and 80's and through the years as it has developed. This is a fact, and it's how economies have historically developed. I'm not blaming China for this or hating them for it, if anything I resent the US and other major western countries for exploiting this development so hard.

Wages have risen specifically in China, and in 2020 it's manufacturing sector is obviously more complex than just sweatshops pumping toxins into the ocean. But it is a gigantic country and doesn't adhere to minimum wage laws or child labor laws everywhere.

Also, as China is still a manufacturing based economy, they will continue to pollute more than other nations and have looser environmental regulations and noncompliance with them just like the US did when it was a manufacturing based economy.
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« Reply #9576 on: December 18, 2020, 12:10:48 PM »
Also sorry to everyone who just wants to learn more about skateboard truck set ups.
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« Reply #9577 on: December 18, 2020, 12:31:20 PM »
I think there is a distinction here, which is what I've been unsuccessfully getting at. You're not wrong, but your average skater isn't articulating any of that. Many of the earlier arguments against Chindy's was that the QC was worse, when it was actually the same or better. Next, people were claiming about all the lost jobs, when they have no actual evidence that Ermico lost jobs or skaters were negatively impacted. It was the same types of arguments as when Nike and others entered the skate market, which have turned out to be erroneous. Lastly, I doubt many skaters are forgoing the other hundreds of products they buy yearly that are Chinese made or next day'd via Amazon. So it's sort of a complete red herring argument that people are using just to fit in.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9578 on: December 18, 2020, 02:50:51 PM »
Did a simple test this morning as I have 2 decks with the same wheels and dimensions one with Indys and one with Venture High. I found a piece of chalk at a nearby basketball court and used a piece of string to make some circles of varying radii. I then started in the same spot with 2 pushes and just followed the circles. I was able to get the same exact performance from both trucks. The Ventures took slightly more pressure when the circle was tight. So they turn just fine.

Regardless of where they are made, I have found with almost all brands, it is all about the bushings and the clearance height for how much a truck is able to turn, as some do not have much natural clearance (wheelbite and stop without having risers or micro wheels) and others have stock bushings that would not allow the truck as full a turn as when softer (or lower tops as I do - cut down the top a mm) bushings are used.

The other side of it is finding a happy medium to suit the individuals needs too, eg not having trucks so loose that you cannot do normal tricks without causing wheelbite or wobbles, but not having them so tight that you cannot turn when you need to.

Most small kids or lighter skaters will have the same problem as big heavy guys, albeit at the opposite ends of the scale, so finding bushings that work for you will also make things a whole lot easier, if the stock bushings don't perform as needed.

It is fun for me messing around with all manner of brands and parts and a wide range of setups to see what works and what doesn't, but it can get very frustrating for a skater who doesn't have access to or know about options for their setup and is stuck trying to fix something that they don't know enough about and only have things like online help, but at least the Slap pals are able to help with opinions and product knowledge here too.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9579 on: December 18, 2020, 03:12:08 PM »
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Did a simple test this morning as I have 2 decks with the same wheels and dimensions one with Indys and one with Venture High. I found a piece of chalk at a nearby basketball court and used a piece of string to make some circles of varying radii. I then started in the same spot with 2 pushes and just followed the circles. I was able to get the same exact performance from both trucks. The Ventures took slightly more pressure when the circle was tight. So they turn just fine.
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Regardless of where they are made, I have found with almost all brands, it is all about the bushings and the clearance height for how much a truck is able to turn, as some do not have much natural clearance (wheelbite and stop without having risers or micro wheels) and others have stock bushings that would not allow the truck as full a turn as when softer (or lower tops as I do - cut down the top a mm) bushings are used.

The other side of it is finding a happy medium to suit the individuals needs too, eg not having trucks so loose that you cannot do normal tricks without causing wheelbite or wobbles, but not having them so tight that you cannot turn when you need to.

Most small kids or lighter skaters will have the same problem as big heavy guys, albeit at the opposite ends of the scale, so finding bushings that work for you will also make things a whole lot easier, if the stock bushings don't perform as needed.

It is fun for me messing around with all manner of brands and parts and a wide range of setups to see what works and what doesn't, but it can get very frustrating for a skater who doesn't have access to or know about options for their setup and is stuck trying to fix something that they don't know enough about and only have things like online help, but at least the Slap pals are able to help with opinions and product knowledge here too.
ran all my ventures with ace bottoms and slightly shaved tops. bar the lows, they turn better than any stock indy ive rode

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9580 on: December 18, 2020, 04:15:03 PM »
Hmm Ace tall bottoms and low tops? I've got those around, might be time to fux with my shit.

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« Reply #9581 on: December 18, 2020, 04:30:49 PM »
Hmm Ace tall bottoms and low tops? I've got those around, might be time to fux with my shit.

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« Reply #9582 on: December 18, 2020, 04:31:00 PM »
all that talk about hollow vs standard or whatever had me switch some trucks around. had to put the standards on the shaped curb setup. hollows went to the egg, since the tail is so short. truck madness can fuck those mounting holes up.

for what its worth, i lined up titaniums with the hollows and the forged plates don't extend your wheelbase a whole eighth of an inch at all, at least mine didn't.



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« Reply #9583 on: December 18, 2020, 09:47:21 PM »
Also sorry to everyone who just wants to learn more about skateboard truck set ups.

All good, amazed you spent your time on that illogical rant. So, localism is neocon? Offshoring to save costs is anti-xenophobic? What a dumpster fire.

I believe this is the correct response their confused shitstorm.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM

Anyway, itíd at leat be good if manufacturers were honest about where things are made. The baseplates used to say USA, now just blank. Sometimes made in China is hidden on a tag or sticker, or not at all. Weak sauce. Respect to Mullen for atleast openly saying and showing dwindle in China saying that they can save costs on production so they can use individual presses and keep price low. Same with PS, they moved to Mexico because ProfSmitt said theyíd go out of biz if they hadnít. And they print it on the board. No hiding.

Itís not complicated - The companies have two choices, put up price or reduce production costs by reducing labour costs. They canít reduce labour costs locally because it would be illegal, so they move labour to a country that those wages arenít illegal. Ok. So why hide the fact? Just be honest ffs.

Or even better, do both - like bones. If you canít afford/donít want to pay for bearings made in Switzerland, you can buy Reds made in China. Good deal, no sneaky bullshit.

Ok, enough. Iím currently riding titanium 145 hangers on the OG/Team baseplates (USA), bones yellow, washer top and bottom to correct for thunders. Love it.
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« Reply #9584 on: December 18, 2020, 10:17:13 PM »
Pretty sure Powell intended on making the minilogo truck in the US but saw the cost so they canned it and eventually made it off shore as a price point.....

If the factories are set up right, there's no reason they can't make good trucks in China.  It's not that high end.....

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« Reply #9585 on: December 19, 2020, 08:32:16 AM »
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All good, amazed you spent your time on that illogical rant. So, localism is neocon? Offshoring to save costs is anti-xenophobic? What a dumpster fire.

I didn't say either of those things so why are you quoting me?


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Itís not complicated - The companies have two choices, put up price or reduce production costs by reducing labour costs. They canít reduce labour costs locally because it would be illegal, so they move labour to a country that those wages arenít illegal. Ok. So why hide the fact? Just be honest ffs.

Everyone seemed to understand those two choices, we were just making cases for/against choosing to manufacture in China. Some of us here are opposed to Chinese manufacturing and our reasons had nothing to do at all with product quality. Others were making the case that Chinese manufacturing is not stuck in the past and has developed beyond criminally low wages and the use of child labor, which is true in many cases. We also knew that most companies are aware of the negative connotation attached to "Made in China," so it's pretty obvious why they wouldn't be using it as a selling point in the US where the "they took our jobs" crowd has a strong grip on politics. If you want companies to "be honest," then I wish you luck.

Just because you didn't understand what was being said doesn't mean it didn't make sense. I believe this is the correct response your confused shitstorm.

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Ok, enough. Iím currently riding titanium 145 hangers on the OG/Team baseplates (USA), bones yellow, washer top and bottom to correct for thunders. Love it.

This I can get down with. Thunders and bones bushings are a perfect combination. I prefer the hard ones over the medium ones though.
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« Reply #9586 on: December 19, 2020, 12:40:51 PM »
To me the xenophbia comes from assuming that all Chinese labor is sweatshops or substandard. It shows a very shallow understanding of Chinese technology and skilled manufacturing as well as developments in labor standards in some industries over the past 2 decades. As someone that had a career analyzing Asian labor economics, these arguments are the same ones being put forth in social science journals by those that also write for the Heritage foundation and universally act as if everywhere but the West has abysmal labor and safety practices. Many, many places do, but skilled manufacturing often does not. The issue I have is ignorant skaters waxing on about topics like this when they likely haven't read the news in their adult life let alone have any idea what factory is being used or where.

Also, local labor can often be very inefficient and doesn't always translate to local economic benefits versus allocating resources towards other sectors such as service or even subsets of skilled labor. Pouring trucks in SF has little impact on the economy versus say, being an electrician or before COVID, working in the service sector. "Close to home" is an antiquated argument especially if you take into account things such as the carbon impact of sourcing and shipping materials.

At the end of the day there are no real arguments for or where trucks sh0uld be made. Skaters need to stop parroting this bullshit and just say they're stoked off Bobby's part and wanna try Ventures.

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« Reply #9587 on: December 19, 2020, 12:53:49 PM »
Um Ballintoohard is a fucking dork. Thats all i got to say about that

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« Reply #9588 on: December 19, 2020, 01:00:06 PM »
shit at least i own it

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« Reply #9589 on: December 19, 2020, 01:04:00 PM »
I am not parroting shit. Wanting stuff to be made closer to where I am has a host of benefits, as some have pointed out succinctly in this thread. You, ballin, seem to be arguing with some points that folks are not making here, and those arguments you make, have some truth to them: there can be some ugly xenophobic/maga bullshit with made in the USA championing. I havenít seen that expressed recently in this thread, if at all. The ĎChindyísí thing sounds medium sus for sure, although I tend to feel like Indy gives me maga vibes on the regular. I personally donít buy stuff on Amazon, at this point in my life, and hope to be able to keep it that way. There are many items that are not available to be purchased closer to where I live and that is generally not a good thing for the planet, or people near me. I donít think ermico gives so many jobs that it totally changes the local economy, but some better than none. Your choice to include Nike as a positive example of overseas labor is so fucking stupid and ill timed with their recent lobbying to protect their horrifying use of forced labor.
You bring up some points, but if anyone is Ďparrotingí anything itís you with your grab bag of buzzwords and straw man bullshit. Skateboarding is still able to be influenced by its customers, unlike a lot of other areas of our lives, so to me, purchasing stuff from the local shop, and trying to buy stuff made closer does make some sense, and it is worth it for me to vote with my dollars.
Iíll stay supporting local shit that matters to me, you can keep amassing skate products from Amazon. Like a turd.

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« Reply #9590 on: December 19, 2020, 02:25:44 PM »
No one has pointed out that metal goods and local foundry work has any inherent benefits. You cannot treat all labor and all goods equally. It's bullshit at best.

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« Reply #9591 on: December 19, 2020, 03:08:33 PM »
can yall do this in your pm's please

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« Reply #9592 on: December 19, 2020, 04:21:56 PM »
I'm cool with letting it die. I think Indy's are still good trucks and the move doesn't matter.

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« Reply #9593 on: December 19, 2020, 10:59:23 PM »
All good, amazed you spent your time[responding to that other guyís] illogical rant. So, localism is neocon? Offshoring to save costs is anti-xenophobic? What a dumpster fire [from that other guy].

ďI didn't say either of those things so why are you quoting me?Ē


Well that went horribly wrong! I was trying to agree with you and support your considered responses, but somehow managed to insult you. My bad. I was obviously too drunk and not lucid enough to get my point across. Luckily OK has done it for me. I back this 100%.

I am not parroting shit. Wanting stuff to be made closer to where I am has a host of benefits, as some have pointed out succinctly in this thread. You, ballin, seem to be arguing with some points that folks are not making here, and those arguments you make, have some truth to them: there can be some ugly xenophobic/maga bullshit with made in the USA championing. I havenít seen that expressed recently in this thread, if at all. The ĎChindyísí thing sounds medium sus for sure, although I tend to feel like Indy gives me maga vibes on the regular. I personally donít buy stuff on Amazon, at this point in my life, and hope to be able to keep it that way. There are many items that are not available to be purchased closer to where I live and that is generally not a good thing for the planet, or people near me. I donít think ermico gives so many jobs that it totally changes the local economy, but some better than none. Your choice to include Nike as a positive example of overseas labor is so fucking stupid and ill timed with their recent lobbying to protect their horrifying use of forced labor.
You bring up some points, but if anyone is Ďparrotingí anything itís you with your grab bag of buzzwords and straw man bullshit. Skateboarding is still able to be influenced by its customers, unlike a lot of other areas of our lives, so to me, purchasing stuff from the local shop, and trying to buy stuff made closer does make some sense, and it is worth it for me to vote with my dollars.
Iíll stay supporting local shit that matters to me, you can keep amassing skate products from Amazon. Like a turd.


I really donít think itís too much to ask to know where things are made. Thatís what started this conversation, and still no clear answer if any Thunder (or Venture) are still US made.

Anyway, this has inspired my latest truck project is resurrecting some (USA made) mid90s trucks I found in the back of the shed, just need new kingpins, bushings, cup etc.
Guess what brand. Hereís a clue - ďName this rosterĒ - Koston, Penny, Kalis, Markovich, Kareem.

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« Reply #9594 on: December 20, 2020, 05:53:03 AM »
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Anyway, this has inspired my latest truck project is resurrecting some (USA made) mid90s trucks I found in the back of the shed, just need new kingpins, bushings, cup etc.
Guess what brand. Hereís a clue - ďName this rosterĒ - Koston, Penny, Kalis, Markovich, Kareem.

All good, and I'm too young to remember what trucks these guys would have all been riding when they were in the same team, but didn't Kalis used to ride Orion trucks?
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« Reply #9595 on: December 20, 2020, 06:49:39 AM »
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Anyway, this has inspired my latest truck project is resurrecting some (USA made) mid90s trucks I found in the back of the shed, just need new kingpins, bushings, cup etc.
Guess what brand. Hereís a clue - ďName this rosterĒ - Koston, Penny, Kalis, Markovich, Kareem.
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All good, and I'm too young to remember what trucks these guys would have all been riding when they were in the same team, but didn't Kalis used to ride Orion trucks?

Thatís the one - Dyrdekís Orion Trucks!
Pure nostalgia.

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« Reply #9596 on: December 20, 2020, 06:55:10 AM »
I had Orionís, thought they were a lighter Indy. Looking at them now they look a lot like a Stage 11. Donít remember them being bad either just not very popular. Think I got them on a Kalis AWS and rode them on an A-Team and a Bill Pepper Element that had the most insane concave Iíve ever seen to this day.

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« Reply #9597 on: December 20, 2020, 08:27:50 AM »
I think Orion was a tracker rebrand......

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« Reply #9598 on: December 20, 2020, 09:26:49 AM »
I think Orion was a tracker rebrand......

Really? I remember that Orion and Destructo were the first I saw with just the new school pattern, while Thunder/Venture/Indy were still running 6 holes. Destructos were way better made (if Orion was copying Indy, then Destructo copied Thunders) and were definitely the better of the two. Iím looking at them both now (both US made) and the Orion look really rough next to the Destructos. The best thing Orion had going was their team, otherwise pretty ordinary to be honest (and terrible bushings), but still a cool thing.

So youíre saying that Tracker bankrolled it/was the manufacturer? If thatís true that would be an interesting twist for sure.

Found this article on Dyrdek - https://foundr.com/brand-building-rob-dyrdek-machine.

ďThe first business of his own was called Orion Trucks, offering a line of the T-shaped metal parts that attach the wheels to the underside of a skateboard.

Dyrdek created the concept, outlined the product idea, found a manufacturer, hand-sketched the logo and built the entire brand. He also pulled together his ďdream teamĒ of fellow professional skateboarders to serve as brand ambassadors and investors.

Through a partnership with a manufacturer in San Diego, Dyrdek officially launched Orion Trucks. And he did all of this for 0.5 percent of every sale. Although the payout wasnít ideal, it was Dyrdekís first tangible experience with creating something of his own, with the help of some fruitful relationships, of course.

ďIt was kind of my first step in soup-to-nuts brand building,Ē he recalls, ďbut it was the clear lack of financial understanding of business that led to me doing a percentage-of-sales deal, which didnít give me much more than a royalty for all that hard work.Ē

Over the next few years, as the skateboarding industry overall experienced a dip, the already niche market became increasingly small, and the business opportunity ran its course. He walked away with a valuable lesson.

ďThere was no major opportunity . Youíre selling a niche product to a niche market thatís already highly competitive, with no innovation or differentiation in the product,Ē Dyrdek says. ďAt the end of the day, really great ambassadors and high-level marketing canít necessarily sell a product that isnít innovative in the space.Ē

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9599 on: December 20, 2020, 06:38:26 PM »
Anyone ride Thunder 145s? I ride smaller boards, only rode 145s back in 2005 or something like that. Are these low, high or both?
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