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how are the conical versys cylinder in the 169? I want to try the black but never ran conical
Edit: and Don't worry, even though they're "hard" you can still turn like crazy on them, especially if you're a decent sized guy. I'm 6' 3", hard bushings were a key discovery in solving my madness. They feel so good.
Proper duro bushings for your weight/desired level of tight/loose is more critical than people think.
My current madness: Tensor ATGs for a month (bones softs/combo of med top/soft bottom) - swapped to Venture a few times for comparison - ATGs react so quickly like ACE/Thunder but not as deep as ACE or as twitchy as Thunder in terms of turning (but they turn great, like a Theeve/faster Indy); but I always felt they were too tall/tippy, much like how I feel on 55mm Indy/Krux. I prefer lower trucks...so...
I switched to thunder hollow lights w/88a indy conical aftermarkets (broken in and sanded down top bushing) with sleeved washers, which, since the bottom sleeved washer is a bit thicker, brought them to the same exact height as stock thunder bottoms (!). Ran them on an 14.25"WB (been skating 14.18WB so close) and hated it. Tried different bushings, stock, bones, hard, soft, hated it. Moved to a shorter WB, 14 / 14.18, hated it except for pop (like the venture, I feel better olling on lower trucks), steep/mellow, fingers of flat, w/e. For reference I always enjoyed thunders but Tensor, like riding ACE, can spoil you in regards to turning (and grinding) capabilities once you get used to it (and removed the BINDING top washer on tensors).
This led me back to...Mini Logos, I know but here me out: 49mm height, 8.37" and turn like Indy/ACE/Theeve/Tensor (compared to a Venture/Thunder). So I get my low pop feel with a surfey turn (using the ACE dual duro with low tops and krux pins).
TL;D, I guess I just prefer the Indy/ACE turn over thunders/ventures so I'm sticking with the ML until the TiMindys drop as that would mean with a forged plate they drop down to 50.5mm ish so close to the ML height, throw in the krux pin will lighten them up and net more ground clearance as well.
Throwing this out there too, once I swapped back to Venture/Thunder over ATGs without a doubt I prefer the way the board feels and sounds, especially when grinding and rolling around, it just feels more solid (I miss the weight reduction and grind ease tho).