Theeves with Bones hards feels so much better than anything else I've tried. I tried various Thunder, Indy, Venture and even Krux but none felt as good for me. The turn is fantastic, my daily is 8.25 with 5.5s and I have a fun 9" setup with 6.5s. I also have a new set of 5.85 but I need to pick up more bushings so I can slap them on an old 8.6 Santa Cruz I have laying around that I didn't like with 159 Indys no matter what I tried with Indy aftermarket bushings. I would like to try some Aces sometime but until then it's Theeves & Bones.