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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6780 on: November 12, 2019, 12:13:51 PM »
I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6781 on: November 12, 2019, 01:44:36 PM »
any bushing recommendations for venture lows? looking for something to keep geometry

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6782 on: November 12, 2019, 02:07:49 PM »
Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.

Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6783 on: November 12, 2019, 04:08:09 PM »
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I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges

Thanks for all the feedback guys. I think I'm going to go with the D2 just based on them seeming to be slightly closer to Thunders in height/bushing shape (and probably in handling too I assume). They've got a 30% off Veterans day discount which I think is pretty rad since I'm a vet, it was still working as of today but I'm not going to order them until tomorrow at the earliest. From the sounds of things, even if it does stop working I could probably email them and get them to honor it anyways if I wanted to.

As for the returns - I know it's probably tough to swallow as a consumer but thats kind of the reality of supporting a smaller company. They probably just don't have the budget or margins to be as generous as deluxe is - I mean they've got pretty much the undisputed king of wheel brands, two of the top 3 truck brands, and 3 board companies that you can find in damn near every shop so they've got far more margin for error financially (I'd love to see what their actual market share is vs NHS). It sucks paying for return shipping and them having the power to just say "no" but I think its important to remember that that's largely the rule and DLX is the exception.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6784 on: November 12, 2019, 04:49:15 PM »
any bushing recommendations for venture lows? looking for something to keep geometry

You can maintain the geometry with bones bushings if you use the stock top washer as the bottom washer and use the supplied bones bushings washer on top.

Supercush bushings fit perfectly with the stock washers.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6785 on: November 12, 2019, 06:19:36 PM »
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.

Aren't we all brother, aren't we all. This forum and Ben Degros' channel fuel the gear madness for sure.

I'll see if I come across a pair of Venture 5.2 on sale or 2nd hand online. Should be fine messing around with the big 3 brands, don't skate enough for me to want to take a risk with smaller brands (Tensor, Theeve, Krux).
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5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6786 on: November 12, 2019, 07:55:38 PM »
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I'm currently on the Destructo 5.75 D1 Team Lite (I skate an 8.25).

I've never seen more king pin clearance on a truck in my life.

This is my first set outside of an Independent in about 15 years and I have to say I'm pretty blown away. I skate looser trucks so I had to swap the bushings out to something a little softer but that's pretty much any truck I feel like these days.

It has a magnesium baseplate and a hollow kingpin and feels super light but also sturdy unlike other gimmicky lightweight trucks like tensor mags or something that feel like a toys r us truck.

I know they're kind of the underdog in the indy/thunder dominated truck world but I'll be honest the truck is amazing and their logo isn't identified with bigoted hate groups so that's a plus as well.

the D1 does sit a little higher than the D2 but the D2 doesn't have the kingpin clearance that the D1 does.

Also I've emailed back and forth with them and they're really responsive and even hooked it up with a discount code.

Ordered them online and to my surprise had a bunch of stickers and a free t-shirt show up with the trucks.

Might be a customer for life at this point.

They have my vote.





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Hello

I’m back from the Bmx life, sorry guys.

Anyways destructos I wouldn’t waste time with unless your really down to try

They didn’t have any special turn feel or pop feel

They just felt like your run of the mill mid 2000’s truck that had stiff as butts bushings that need to be broken in to finally turn but it’s gonna take a lot

I rode them stock without the small top washer and they turned ok, like if you put medium hard cylinder bushing in indys

Pop was nothing to write home about, just popped okay. Not awkward like old tensor 10’s or a venture low, sorta like a thunder pop mixed with Indy

But not good, just okay.

Overall my run with the destructo d1 mid/standard id say they were not worth it if you compare them to ace, Indy, thunder and even venture high. Heck even theeves are better I would say

Ill throw in another heck, royals are probably at the same level or better

I might be hating but yah, not worth the price. If they were like $10 cheaper than the big 3 then maybe they’re worth it

If they changed their bushing formula and aluminum grade they could have a decent truck, keep the signature geo because it’s who they are but for now until they make some revisions idk how certain riders are doing destructo
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Thanks for the feedback dude, welcome back to having balls. Have you tried the D2? I was looking at the D2 mid lite, D1 is higher like Indy which is cool but when I want to ride a high truck I have an assortment of Indys and Ventures for that. The D2 is closer to the Thunder/Fury height which seems to be my ideal pop height. As for bushings you of all people should know I have an extensive selection so if the stock ones suck I'm sure I can find something that works. I am a little upset that they don't do the "bones licensed" bushings anymore because I always wanted a black bones medium with a red cap purely for aesthetic purposes. I got a single set of destructo bushings randomly thrown in on an ebay order a while back they seemed fine. A little hard, but that's fine with me.

And whoever commented on DLX customer support - they're fucking amazing. Seriously incredible. I emailed them last week to ask if there was a way I could buy a single Thunder to replace one I lost and they said they don't sell them that way so they'll just send me one. Not replacing a broken or defective truck, just helping me out because I'm fucking dumb. That's so cool that not only do they make some of the best products on the market (hands down the best wheels) but they also care enough about skating that they're willing to do whatever it takes to get some random dipshit rolling again. I'm not going to claim I'll settle down and only ride Thunder/Venture from now on but that definitely inspired some newfound brand loyalty in me.
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The d2 might be the right destructos with the urethane formula they have

The shape of the bushing for the d2 is probably best at that duro too

All I can say is my customer service experience with destructo wasn’t as well as deluxe, I gotta fill out a form and send my defective truck back paying for the shipping my self after buying some defective truck just to see if they’re gonna send me a new truck back to replace the bad one

And that’s if they deem it by guideline of warranty exchanges
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I think I'm going to go with the D2 just based on them seeming to be slightly closer to Thunders in height/bushing shape (and probably in handling too I assume). They've got a 30% off Veterans day discount which I think is pretty rad since I'm a vet, it was still working as of today but I'm not going to order them until tomorrow at the earliest. From the sounds of things, even if it does stop working I could probably email them and get them to honor it anyways if I wanted to.

As for the returns - I know it's probably tough to swallow as a consumer but thats kind of the reality of supporting a smaller company. They probably just don't have the budget or margins to be as generous as deluxe is - I mean they've got pretty much the undisputed king of wheel brands, two of the top 3 truck brands, and 3 board companies that you can find in damn near every shop so they've got far more margin for error financially (I'd love to see what their actual market share is vs NHS). It sucks paying for return shipping and them having the power to just say "no" but I think its important to remember that that's largely the rule and DLX is the exception.

True deluxe has spoiled me, and skate one

Anytime I had any problems
Bam within 3 days I’m hooked up

Love it though

Idk I’m just like, could they have just sent me a darn baseplate with a solid kingpin and I’ll just use my hangar and bushings and swap it on

How much does a baseplate and kingpin cost?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6787 on: November 12, 2019, 08:14:20 PM »
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.

Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6788 on: November 12, 2019, 08:43:17 PM »
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.

Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.
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5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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« Reply #6789 on: November 13, 2019, 05:19:29 AM »
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
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Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.

Take that length with a grain of salt. Boards at PS tend to get measured with the concave/kicks as opposed to across it like Generator does. A couple years ago I had a Quasi JJ that was listed as 8.6"x33" and it measured pretty much identical to a (Generator) AWS 8.5"x32.25".

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6790 on: November 13, 2019, 08:06:16 AM »
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
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Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.
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Take that length with a grain of salt. Boards at PS tend to get measured with the concave/kicks as opposed to across it like Generator does. A couple years ago I had a Quasi JJ that was listed as 8.6"x33" and it measured pretty much identical to a (Generator) AWS 8.5"x32.25".

Perfect time to break out the Indy's.

Wouldnt the increased length on an 8" board plus the 14.25 WB give a really short nose and tail?
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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« Reply #6791 on: November 13, 2019, 09:07:46 AM »
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Been thinking of trying a pair for a smaller, tech setup since I find myself popping very hard and always rely on explosive pop. I get nice and high on the ledge, but the ledge is short (shin high) and my setup feels (as Ben Degros puts it) an all or nothing board. Thinking of either 5.0 or 5.2 Venture Low.

I've tried mellower boards like Habitat but I flip tricks feel bloody impossible on them. Hopefully my next Cliche board gives me that lighter pop I'm looking for.
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Always worth a shot. I haven't tried Venture lows in a very long while, but I know what you mean about searching for that perfect feeling of light pop. I have to assume it's different for everyone, I had the best feeling pop with Thunders on a Quasi, but at the sacrifice of stability and feeling comfortable on the board. Wasn't worth the trade off and I re-settled back onto Indy's. Hope you find that magic combo.
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Agreed about the Quasi with Thunders.  Their 8 inch shape with Thunders is super explosive.  What's weird is while the tail is all or nothing, off the nose is insanely consistent and easy to pop yet it still delivers an insane amount of force.  I wonder what it would feel like to skate a twin nose version of that board.  Manuals would be a bitch but I bet ever flip tricks would be amazing unless it requires a lot of scoop like say a tre-flip.
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Now I'm intrigued to try their boards. I'm probably in the minority but I would like a twin nose board. When I try kickflips off my tail they are mob or rocket, off the nose they are poppy, and flat. Probably because I find I'm a very "hard" riding style, like I pop way harder than I should for my tricks.

I always thought scooping with a bigger surface (nose) makes 360 flips easier?

Edit: just checked the dimensions of the Quasi board on tactics and they look really long (32.375), way longer than the Real board (31.91) I'm riding.
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Take that length with a grain of salt. Boards at PS tend to get measured with the concave/kicks as opposed to across it like Generator does. A couple years ago I had a Quasi JJ that was listed as 8.6"x33" and it measured pretty much identical to a (Generator) AWS 8.5"x32.25".
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Perfect time to break out the Indy's.

Wouldnt the increased length on an 8" board plus the 14.25 WB give a really short nose and tail?

The 8" Quasi that was posted in the setup thread looks like it has a pretty generous nose and tail, both of them also looking kind of flat and thus making the 32.25" (measured with the kicks, PS style) more accurate than on something with steeper kicks. Does that make sense? Sorry if I am missing the point.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6792 on: November 13, 2019, 09:53:23 AM »
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
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Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6793 on: November 13, 2019, 05:40:39 PM »
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Been liking my Ventures again after getting back on the 5.6(hit axle on the front truck in about month) then went back into an old set of 5.8's.

Can anyone tell me me how much more it stretches the wheelbase? same goes with Ace & Indy. How much more does it increase or decrease it betweeen those 3 truck brands.
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It stretches the furthest of all the big brands (past Thunder).

ACE/Theeve<Indy<Thunder<Venture
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Gonna shamelessly link to my own post, you can see for yourself the actual wheelbase measurements and the +/- for whatever deck wheelbase you're running.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
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As you should!

Are the Ventures in the pic Venture Lows?

I recall the order of WB lengthening as:
Indy - Venture High - Thunder - Venture Low
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6794 on: November 13, 2019, 05:57:51 PM »

Are the Ventures in the pic Venture Lows?

I recall the order of WB lengthening as:
Indy - Venture High - Thunder - Venture Low

In my set of pics it's Venture 5.8 Highs w/ forged baseplates. I don't know where the Venture lows sit on the overall wheelbase spectrum. Sorry about that one. I do know (I'll find a pic/link) that Venture 5.8 cast have a shorter wheelbase than 5.8 forged. The general guide for short to long wb's: Theeve/Ace/Older stage Indy's > Modern Indy's > Thunder > Venture.

Edit: Here's some pics that Fifty8mm took of his cast vs. forged Venture high plates,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6795 on: November 14, 2019, 02:18:10 PM »
If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.


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« Reply #6796 on: November 14, 2019, 03:30:25 PM »
If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.



Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it

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« Reply #6797 on: November 14, 2019, 03:50:50 PM »
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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it

I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.

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« Reply #6798 on: November 14, 2019, 04:02:10 PM »
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.


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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
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I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.

Yeah for sure, I might just put my Indy riptides in my thunders. I remember the Indy being pretty universal

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« Reply #6799 on: November 14, 2019, 04:23:57 PM »
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.


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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
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I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.
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Yeah for sure, I might just put my Indy riptides in my thunders. I remember the Indy being pretty universal

I buy the Indy "Cracked Ice" ones for my Thunders, fit exactly the same as the green ones marked for Thunders. I don't see any difference in them at all when holding them side by side.

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« Reply #6800 on: November 14, 2019, 04:42:10 PM »
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If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.


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Didn’t even think about throwing a set of riptides in my thunders. Let us know how you like it
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I've been using them in Thunders for a few years. They work great! Keep them quiet and turning smoothly. It's hard to describe in words what they do to the turn, you just have to experience it. Worth it for the quieting factor alone though. I loathed putting wax or speed cream in my pivots which just made a mess or attracted dirt into the cup.
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Yeah for sure, I might just put my Indy riptides in my thunders. I remember the Indy being pretty universal
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I buy the Indy "Cracked Ice" ones for my Thunders, fit exactly the same as the green ones marked for Thunders. I don't see any difference in them at all when holding them side by side.
Perfect, those are the ones I have

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6801 on: November 14, 2019, 07:28:38 PM »
If you're a Riptide Pivot User, the new ones have a small air hole in them so they slide right in now. I just hope this doesn't lead to them falling apart faster, they usually last me through two sets of trucks which is how I justify the cost.



Weird, my cracked ice indys didn't fit very well in my thunders so I got the thunder specific ones and they were perfect

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« Reply #6802 on: November 14, 2019, 07:37:41 PM »
Ace->Indy->Thunder->Venture->Venture forged plates

I measured them all on the same deck.

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« Reply #6803 on: November 14, 2019, 08:03:07 PM »
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Weird, my cracked ice indys didn't fit very well in my thunders so I got the thunder specific ones and they were perfect

Really? I’ve never had an issue other than a bit of air getting trapped behind them when initially installing which the small hole now alleviates. Tracey and Brad at Riptide have told me the non-longboard truck pivots are all nearly identical and they just market them for each truck in case that truck makes drastic design changes and they need to modify the mold for that specific truck. These are from the latest batch and I just stuck them in some Indy Forged and Venture Cast and they fit in all three easily. Hope your next set is better! 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6804 on: November 14, 2019, 08:11:46 PM »
Are the riptide ones for thunders or generic?  The pivot on a thunder is kinda narrow.

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« Reply #6805 on: November 14, 2019, 08:26:28 PM »
Are the riptide ones for thunders or generic?  The pivot on a thunder is kinda narrow.

The Cracked Ice Blue is marketed for Indy but it’s the same as the green ones I have labeled for Thunder and it’s the same size as the stock pivots I pulled from the Thunder truck.

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« Reply #6806 on: November 14, 2019, 08:31:24 PM »
Ace->Indy->Thunder->Venture->Venture forged plates

I measured them all on the same deck.
that's odd. how big is the difference?

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« Reply #6807 on: November 14, 2019, 08:45:42 PM »
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I measured them all on the same deck.
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that's odd. how big is the difference?

Not super significant. Maybe 2-3mm? Make's a noticeable different, especially with the difference in height as well.

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« Reply #6808 on: November 14, 2019, 10:26:12 PM »
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I measured them all on the same deck.
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that's odd. how big is the difference?

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3046303#msg3046303

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #6809 on: November 15, 2019, 08:14:34 AM »
Christ you guys twisted my arm, I'm getting my 2nd pair of Thunder 147 Team Lights. Pulled an old Traffic board from storage (7.75 x 31.3 x 14WB) and hopefully it pairs nicely with the Thunders.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m