Truck set-ups

[jakeumms]

^You positive they aren't bootleg? There's a lot of bootleg gear out there these days.

[mbam003]

^You positive they aren't bootleg? There's a lot of bootleg gear out there these days.

Don't think so, I have bought mountains of gear from my local shop from every thinkable brand (including Bones wheels and bearings). The bushings also work really well. I shot Skate One a message just in case.

[Mbrimson88]

Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.

Definitely old stock.  It took them a while to actually have anything else in the packaging, but the two slim flat washers are relatively recent, compared to how long they have been making them.

Anyone remember when they only came in single truck sets too?  That is going back even longer.


Also, this is the sort of thing you can get from a hardware store, just the flat washers with 12mm inner or so.

[Diocletian]

Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

[FrozenIndustries]

Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

[Diocletian]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

[FrozenIndustries]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

[Diocletian]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts?

[RichardBarkley]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

Ok so even though the hollow venture los extend wb. On my decks I find they still yield better pop than the casts.

I skate both on decks between 14-14.25wb

[FrozenIndustries]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

[close]

Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts?

They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.

[Diocletian]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

[close]

Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts?

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They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.

Thanks a lot for all your feedback man. I weigh about the same as you, so I would need to get some proper aftermarket bushings in these. I can't decide between the 5.6's, 5.8's or the 6.1's.

[FrozenIndustries]

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Someone bring me out of truck psychosis here. Lots of being cooped up inside and thinking about gear. I've never tried Ventures and I want to try the cast ones that don't extend the wheelbase any longer than they already are. When I dial them in with the right bushings am I still going to hate these trucks since I'm an Ace head?

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I don't want to fuel the madness but I go back and forth between venture and ace a lot. I love the turn and grind on the aces but the pop on ventures is just effortless and with a harder bushing and flat washer the turn is pretty excellent.

Regarding what you said about WB, even the cast stretch it a lot compared to ace. I have a pop with a 14.25" WB and venture a shaped board with a 14.8" WB with aces. The pop with ventures ends up with like a 1/8" longer WB. You probably are accounting for that already but I wanted to put it out there because I thought it was pretty wild.

Edit: only chiming in on this because I hate the madness this is causing me and don't want to feel alone in it.

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Thanks man. I think the stability and kingpin clearance are the main factors in me wanting to try them. Ace are more stable than Indy but sometimes I still find them feeling a bit squirrely under my feet depending on what I'm doing. If Ventures can still carve a bowl and allow me to slappy I'm willing to give them a shot.

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Can't speak for bowls but I would probably be considered a slappy skater and I love them. They definitely need the flat top washer to make them surfy enough, though. I'm like 205 so I also run a harder bushing in mine (94-96) to keep the turn nice and controlled.

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Yeah, no matter what truck I ALWAYS ditch the top washer and if I really need one, I use the Bones flat washer. I saw this vid of this gentleman explaining his experience with slappies using Ventures, and it has me second guessing now. What are your thoughts?

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They definitely grind down faster than Indy due to the hanger being less meaty but not as fast as Ace from my experience. The aluminum feels exactly like Indy to me.

I've had no issues with durability or QC, though, no bent axles or anything like that. I also don't skate the stock bushings just because 90a is too soft for me but I know a lot of people mention the stocks blowing out. As far as what he was saying about the smiths...I don't do a lot of them so I've never had that issue but I assume it's possible. That being said it seems a little wild to me due to the kingpin clearance in comparison to Ace or even Indy.

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Thanks a lot for all your feedback man. I weigh about the same as you, so I would need to get some proper aftermarket bushings in these. I can't decide between the 5.6's, 5.8's or the 6.1's.

No problem! Currently running 5.8s with Indy 96a bushings and a bones flat top washer. I've had the 5.6s and they rule but I like the 5.8s for the sake of versatility. I want some 6.1s so I can run them on a shorter WB big boy shape (Dane1 etc).

[MxsDx]

Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.

[The.Tran.Man]

Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.

let's see pictures!! this seems like a really cool idea tbh

[Hanna Schygulla]

I am a Quiver Guy, but on my main set-up this is what I've been using and I'm really into it:
Ace 44
Riptide pivot cups
Riptide soft 85a blue barrel bottom bushing
stock white Ace top bushing

In a way this might be more of a deck/wheel-based decision, but I also use one 1/8" Modus riser trimmed down to be flush with my baseplates.

[MxsDx]

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Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.

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let's see pictures!! this seems like a really cool idea tbh

Here you are...

[Mbrimson88]

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Biggest truck nerd move ever. I wanted something lower than a 3 mm (1/8 inch) riser, but couldn’t find any, so I purchased a small sheet of polycarbonate plastic online and made my own. Traced the baseplate and used simple handheld snips to cut them out. Made perfect 1.5 mm risers which basically raises a forged baseplate to the height of a cast.

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let's see pictures!! this seems like a really cool idea tbh

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Here you are...

I was interested to see too.

Looks pretty good, and you don't have any overhang, which was always annoying on any risers that didn't fit nicely, or when people put them on the wrong way.

Makes the trucks sit nicely too!

[mbam003]

Bought a set of Bones Hard bushings, no Bones washers in the package. The instructions said to use your own top washers. What's up with that, is this a hard thing, because I'm pretty sure the mediums I ordered this summer had Bones washers. Bummed about that.

Skate One sent me a replacement set free of charge. Thanks to the guys over there.

[35mm]

Has anyone tried thunder 161s? Thoughts on them? I'm planning to size up boards and debating buying them.

[ballintoohard]

Been skating my 149 forged hollows again and having weird difficulty popping out of backside crooks. The board seems to want to primo out of the pop out. Is this a function of tightness/looseness?

[Firebert]

Been skating my 149 forged hollows again and having weird difficulty popping out of backside crooks. The board seems to want to primo out of the pop out. Is this a function of tightness/looseness?

Nah, just gotta nollie out that beast.

[Diocletian]

Has anyone tried thunder 161s? Thoughts on them? I'm planning to size up boards and debating buying them.

I skated them. Didn't like them because at that board size the wheelbase is long and Thunders already have a long wheelbase. You're gonna want Ace or Indy at that size if you're interested in more snap/surf-like turns.

[Mbrimson88]

Has anyone tried thunder 161s? Thoughts on them? I'm planning to size up boards and debating buying them.

What are you on now and what would change in your setup, eg going to a wider board, might be bigger, longer and with longer wheelbase?

There are a lot of wider boards out now with shorter wheelbases too, so sizing up is not necessarily going to mean longer wheelbase, but comment below is definitely true too.

Didn't like them because at that board size the wheelbase is long and Thunders already have a long wheelbase.

[Lloyd Braun]

So I tried out the Krux inverted kingpins on my Venture 5.8's. Fit great but there is nothing to keep them from turning when tightening so I JB welded them and fuck I put way too much on there because I stripped out one of the Allen bolts trying to tighten them and broke out all the JB weld. This would be fine, but I can't get the fucker out now. Anyone got any tips, ideally someone who has successfully done the inverted kingpins but on a truck that the baseplate is just a circle at the king pin?

For the JB weld, I applied onto the bottom of the nut, under where the nut sits (where I took out the standard kingpin) and then filled in the rest of the hole, which I where I think I fucked up too much got into the nut as I could only get them snug and made it impossible to tighten all of it ended up cracking out of one, which that kingpin is fine, but can't get it out, tried wedging screwdrivers in the loosening, nothing.

Said Truck that can't get kingpin out of

This one actually worked out, just stripped the Allen key hole, but fortunately I ordered 2 Sets



Looks pretty sick IMO, almost an inch of clearance.

[Mbrimson88]

Looks pretty sick IMO, almost an inch of clearance.

Wow that is some heavy work there!

So although it is stuck and not going anywhere, it wouldn't happen to be done up about how you like it?

That would be nice.

So you said the allen top is stripped and the nut is loose in the baseplate?

About the only way to get the thing out is cut through the bushing and kingpin, or angle grind the top off or something like that.

[JugeL]

Not feeling the Indy inverted kingpin so gonna try if DLKs are any better. Anyone tried this already and have experiences with it?

[Xen]

Not feeling the Indy inverted kingpin so gonna try if DLKs are any better. Anyone tried this already and have experiences with it?

The Krux pin is a bit lower and quite a bit lighter, it also grinds better than the indy pin (shape) that's about it. Def better for slappies.

I'm running the same wheels/pin in mine as well...tho I put them to rest for a bit and switched over to ACEs and classics for a change up.

[Sandygoat]

I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.

[Sundaynuggets]

I dont know if this is the wrong board but I'll give it a try. Should I tighten my trucks to have more tension on no complys. I ride my trucks pretty loose on some soft indy bushings. I wonder because they have so much give that all tension is lost. I was think that tightening them would help. Is this just a technique thing ? Any help is appreciated.

One thing that helps me (that I read on here) is to imagine you are skating on a board that is only as wide as your truck baseplates when doing some tricks. The looser I ride my trucks, the narrower the stable point of my board feels, so balancing on an 8.5 might feel more like balancing on the 2’ strip in the center whereas tighter trucks might feel more like balancing on a 4-6’ strip in the center.

Obviously there are tricks requiring tension being applied diagonally across the board, but the narrow center strip idea helps me a lot as a general rule of thumb that helps more often than not.

Hope that helps!

[anon]

cheaper alternatives to these motherfuckers?
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/64181/array-machined-flat-washers