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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9630 on: December 29, 2020, 05:25:09 PM »
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

Forged and Ti mids @ 50.5mm coming out next spring.  Timestamp 13:16

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9631 on: December 29, 2020, 05:26:22 PM »
I've ran Indy hangers on Ace baseplates and as long as the bottom bushing is an Ace or Krux with the included bottom washer, the top bushing sits fine for whatever bushing you choose.

Why did you stop? No diss: I know you liked the ace turn, but werenít fond of the qc. Seems like the Indy hanger/ace plate would be the answer for you.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9632 on: December 30, 2020, 03:15:40 AM »
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 


Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9633 on: December 30, 2020, 06:05:13 AM »
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.

Agreed.  Very interesting point he makes about the shaft nut increasing the weight and that being centered on the baseplate.  I remember reading that Rodney Mullen would tape or glue BBs in the cavities of his baseplate for added weight in the center of his board.

None of this is going to help me tre flip though haha

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« Reply #9634 on: December 30, 2020, 07:36:48 AM »
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.
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Agreed.  Very interesting point he makes about the shaft nut increasing the weight and that being centered on the baseplate.  I remember reading that Rodney Mullen would tape or glue BBs in the cavities of his baseplate for added weight in the center of his board.

None of this is going to help me tre flip though haha



Iím not sure why this trick has gotten so far away from me. Once upon a back in the day it was easier than a kickflip, now itís not gonna happen. The best I can do is make it look like Iím 2 or 3 tries from putting it down. Mirage.
Iíd sadly buy whatever setup I thought would make this easier....but the setup I need is new mcls.
The mids do look interesting to me, havenít heard anyone really extol the virtues of them tho.
The setup in the video looked sick and I found myself wanting to get it, dude is like a foot taller than me tho. Not sure why wide shit looks so cool to me.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9635 on: December 30, 2020, 07:54:56 AM »
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I've ran Indy hangers on Ace baseplates and as long as the bottom bushing is an Ace or Krux with the included bottom washer, the top bushing sits fine for whatever bushing you choose.
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Why did you stop? No diss: I know you liked the ace turn, but werenít fond of the qc. Seems like the Indy hanger/ace plate would be the answer for you.

The madness never stops....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9636 on: December 30, 2020, 09:25:55 AM »
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.

I skimmed through it but I don't think he mentions the hanger and that its beefier....there's some weight there for sure....BD I think mentions this. 

I'll consider titaniums....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9637 on: December 30, 2020, 11:53:15 AM »
Anyone ran both indy 144 (53.5) and venture v-hollow 5.6 on quasi/fa 8.25? Have indy tits now which I love but ended up buying some v-hollow 5.6 just to test out and throw on a second setup. Currrently have a stack of quasi decks to get through. Wondering if anyone who has tried both has any preference and if so why.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9638 on: December 30, 2020, 02:00:04 PM »
I ran 53.5 high Indy and 5.6 cast on an FA, they didnít feel a ton different other than the turn.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9639 on: December 30, 2020, 06:14:17 PM »
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.
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I skimmed through it but I don't think he mentions the hanger and that its beefier....there's some weight there for sure....BD I think mentions this. 

I'll consider titaniums....

Yes a few things left out and a few other things emphasised, but with options like inverted kingpin baseplate sets, Reynolds hollow pro, then hollow and titanium versions later, they have almost all options covered it would seem.

I have used an angle grinder on a set of standard kingpin baseplates to take it down lower once everything is set up, which would work fine for the clearance needed specifically for the mid hanger too, but I wonder how many people would end up with the kingpin grinded down or blow out the inverted head.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9640 on: December 30, 2020, 08:18:39 PM »
Id prolly just kick down and get a krux....never thought I'd say I like the look of it but compared to the Indy one.....I suspect thunders will be similar which will lead to minimal difference....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9641 on: December 31, 2020, 08:18:12 AM »
If one had to compare Theeve to the big 3, what would they be similar to? Just thought of theeve for some reason but know 0 about them


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« Reply #9642 on: December 31, 2020, 08:32:56 AM »
Theeve are like an Indy/Ace hybrid. More stable and turny than Indy but not quite as nuts of a turn as Ace.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9643 on: December 31, 2020, 09:09:39 AM »
Iíve decided to just stick to Indy Forged Hollows unless the upcoming lighter mids end up being much different. After trying the big 3 and Ace, theyíre the best overall compromise. Venture second, but my bad luck with their bushings and quick wear makes that a distant second. Even with Indy the aftermarket orange bushings arenít that much different, but they last super long.

Best of luck gents.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9644 on: December 31, 2020, 11:53:24 AM »
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

Nice video, thanks.
One thing Whaley gets wrong at the 8:00 mark is that no one had the shaft nut before the Indy Mid.

G&S had a threaded baseplate for a bit on their steel trucks, and Grind King called it the sleeve nut. They came stock in the Grind King AXL, but you also got a set if you bought the kingpins separately, so you could drill out your existing baseplate and tap them in other brands of trucks too.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9645 on: December 31, 2020, 08:14:40 PM »
If one had to compare Theeve to the big 3, what would they be similar to? Just thought of theeve for some reason but know 0 about them

Trev Ward (older Aussie vert guy, not US street guy) who created them said they were a combination of Indy and Thunder more than anything else, if you really want to compare them to the big brands.  The baseplate holes are about half way between those two and the turn is about the same half way between them, so yes they still turn and grind more like Indy, but not quite to that degree.  That is the normal CSX ones though, not counting the Ti version or any of the other mixes.  I had a set on a board that had been skated to death and down to the axle, but still worked and were good to ride.

A lot of people didn't want anything to do with them, myself included back when I was offered a set a number of years ago, but when they were on boards I built and skated at the indoor park owned by Trev Ward, I found them to be quite a decent truck.  There were issues with quality in the first production lot way back when but sorted now, similar to Ace I believe, but although that is in the past, people still remember it and don't want them.

As much as I prefer Indy, I will be open to try product from any brands, as long as I don't have to buy it myself, so in this way, it was an interesting introduction to the brand.  The other interesting thing is during lockdown when ALL the main brands were sold out in lots of shops, Theeve was the only brand still in stock (and still didn't sell) so make of that what you will.

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« Reply #9646 on: January 01, 2021, 10:40:04 AM »
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The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

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Sure does!

If I wasn't so happily setup with a dozen sets of regular Stage 11 149s on my boards, I would be so keen to buy / try a set of mids after watching this.

It would be interesting to see some and feel how they skate anyway, but I am more than happy with what I already have.

This definitely puts them in a better light than just the specs or the Ben DG video, but Ron is NHS to the core, so is also a good salesman for his own in house brands.
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I skimmed through it but I don't think he mentions the hanger and that its beefier....there's some weight there for sure....BD I think mentions this.

I'll consider titaniums....
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Yes a few things left out and a few other things emphasised, but with options like inverted kingpin baseplate sets, Reynolds hollow pro, then hollow and titanium versions later, they have almost all options covered it would seem.

I have used an angle grinder on a set of standard kingpin baseplates to take it down lower once everything is set up, which would work fine for the clearance needed specifically for the mid hanger too, but I wonder how many people would end up with the kingpin grinded down or blow out the inverted head.

True, and I love Ron (ďhow long have you been doing standup? All my life - itís all comedy to meĒ ;D) but not to mentioning the beefy hanger seems like a big omission. You can see the side by side @4:44 with standards and thereís a dramatic  difference in hanger size/weight. It might even be a preference for some, but to say all the extra weight is in the baseplate nut is just not true. The lower truck will make the board flip quicker so that makes sense with Ronís washing machine explanation. Anyway, itís great that there are new and different options for Indy fans, soon thereíll be 4 different heights to choose from 55, 53.5, 52, and 50.5 - and all the variations with those!! Good stuff!

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9647 on: January 01, 2021, 11:41:16 AM »
Mid forged Ti - I'll be back.

Lot of justification going on in that vid...and damn, he makes an 8.3 look like an 8 :P

Thunder and ACE make wide low[er] trucks...for that 159 range
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9648 on: January 01, 2021, 12:01:13 PM »
Theeve are like an Indy/Ace hybrid. More stable and turny than Indy but not quite as nuts of a turn as Ace.

Agreed!

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« Reply #9649 on: January 01, 2021, 01:27:51 PM »
Mid forged Ti - I'll be back.

Lot of justification going on in that vid...and damn, he makes an 8.3 look like an 8 :P

Thunder and ACE make wide low[er] trucks...for that 159 range

Yeah, that was another porky.

ďOther truck companies make trucks that wide, but theyíre all standard height. In that way the 159 are special as they are a wider and lowerĒ. ;)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9650 on: January 03, 2021, 12:51:04 AM »
Has anyone tried the riptide pivot cups for Indy trucks? Wondering if they fit and perform well?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9651 on: January 03, 2021, 04:16:36 AM »
Has anyone tried the riptide pivot cups for Indy trucks? Wondering if they fit and perform well?

I had neither seen nor heard of them until here and still never seen them in person, but apparently many Slap pals swear by them.  They make them specifically for various trucks, but it seems the ones for all the normal skateboard trucks (not longboards or other weird variations) such as Ace, Indy, Thunder, Venture, etc are the same.

https://www.riptidesports.com/pages/info-charts-guides/pivot-cups-explained.html

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9652 on: January 03, 2021, 07:36:48 AM »
I'm skating the Indy/Bennet ones in my thunders which I swore was a bad idea...wrong......they feel/work great. 

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« Reply #9653 on: January 03, 2021, 10:39:43 AM »
Has anyone tried the riptide pivot cups for Indy trucks? Wondering if they fit and perform well?

I use the RipTide pivot cups for Indys in my 149ís.

They make a noticeable difference to me and I do recommend trying them.

To me they are a welcome improvement.

The stock pivot cups in my Indys were bad. Dried up and jagged.

The RipTides are real smooth and much much less noisy. I enjoy them.

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« Reply #9654 on: January 03, 2021, 10:46:15 AM »
Can anyone confirm if Indy Riptide cups work in Ace baseplates?

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« Reply #9655 on: January 03, 2021, 01:06:27 PM »
Can anyone confirm if Indy Riptide cups work in Ace baseplates?

They do. I've used the indy cups in Theeve/ACE/Thunder/Venture

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« Reply #9656 on: January 03, 2021, 01:12:49 PM »
The truck nerd in me thought there's no way the same pivot cup could work in all trucks but I think the quality of the urethane just softens the turn no matter what.....

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« Reply #9657 on: January 03, 2021, 04:28:34 PM »
All modern standard trucks fit the same as the pivot holes in baseplates are within very specific measurements, in the same way that kingpins, axle nuts, bearings sizes are all standard, so the width and depth of the pivot hole, and the size of the hanger "thumb" are pretty much universal.

That is to say all the trucks I have that I have measured including Indy, Ace, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Destructo, Crail and some other cheaper trucks, just not Penny (which are smaller) or longboard style or other weird versions of non normal shaped trucks (which are larger or tube shaped).

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« Reply #9658 on: January 03, 2021, 04:58:16 PM »
Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9659 on: January 03, 2021, 05:10:50 PM »
Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.

The yellow 96s feel harder than the purple 97s IMO. I fluctuate between 190 and 205 and the blue barrel 92s are amazing in every set of indys I've tried.
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