2016 Presidential election

[tobey]

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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr

Please read the article before getting defensive.

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"More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness."

well no shit.

the main people who are passionately against "political correctness" are just people who are mad you can't be publicly racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic without consequences.

"i called someone a nigger over the internet and lost my job because of it, this country is too PC!!!!"

i have problems with people that are too politically correct to a certain degree but most of those people are just strongly against common decency.

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pc is ok, but overly pc is annoying as hell. it's too in your face. baseball used to be america's favorite pastime... now it's whining. i'm not a fan of horses racing, but look at this shit. it's an old photo of a horse race. it's like everyone is just constantly looking for something to fight over......

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Jesus she looks amazing, getting old doesn't do shit to her

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for goodness sake tobey! that's a horse you're looking at.

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hahahahah gotta lurk her instagram a bit more. Also what Spike just said that all the people who voted for him wanted two main things, to build a giant wall and to put Hillary in prison. Once they realized that shit isnt going to happen his own people are gonna turn on him. Probably worse than people already protesting

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Sounds alot like his race to be president

Trumps not going to run he has no chance , trumps not getting the nomination he has no chance , trumps not gonna win the election he has no chance

Trumps not gonna build a wall he has no chance , Trumps not gonna put Hillary in prison he has no chance

Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action 

[Monty Burns]

Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action 

Wait are you suggesting all politicians all over the world keep their promises and running points ? and its just in the USA they dont ?. I know you are not from the rest of the world thats not USA so I just assume you didnt know that politicians are basically the same all over the world

The other point is such a weird thing to say. First you suggest that He is trying to put her in prison for running against him And then you list the exact reason why people want her to face justice .  Kind of Like " Y wants person X to go to jail just cause Y dont like him . I know X murderd somebody but Y has his own legal dramas "

What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it.  Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that   

[tobey]

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Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action 

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Wait are you suggesting all politicians all over the world keep their promises and running points ? and its just in the USA they dont ?. I know you are not from the rest of the world thats not USA so I just assume you didnt know that politicians are basically the same all over the world

The other point is such a weird thing to say. First you suggest that He is trying to put her in prison for running against him And then you list the exact reason why people want her to face justice .  Kind of Like " Y wants person X to go to jail just cause Y dont like him . I know X murderd somebody but Y has his own legal dramas "

What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it.  Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that   

Yeah i don't know shit about the rest of the world but i didn't try to sound like a complete douche to you when i said that

[wallieD]

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Every president nominee in America made promises to the people that they couldn't keep. I know you're not from America so i just assumed you didn't know that. The thing is though that was Trumps 2 main things, he never went into detail about anything else. Unlike other presidents they made more promises and kept a few so people were satisfied. Those were Trumps only plans and just because you're president here doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want. We don't have the money for a wall and you can't just put someone in prison because they ran against you. I know she had the emails but Trump has to worry about his own legal action 

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Wait are you suggesting all politicians all over the world keep their promises and running points ? and its just in the USA they dont ?. I know you are not from the rest of the world thats not USA so I just assume you didnt know that politicians are basically the same all over the world

The other point is such a weird thing to say. First you suggest that He is trying to put her in prison for running against him And then you list the exact reason why people want her to face justice .  Kind of Like " Y wants person X to go to jail just cause Y dont like him . I know X murderd somebody but Y has his own legal dramas "

What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it.  Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that   

both candidates had around 60 million votes. the hate for hillary is strong, but looking at the news and social media of celebrities (99% are democrats for some reason) it looks like the country is going crazy when in reality it is like every other election. half are mad, half are happy. you just don't get to see the other half

[fulltechnicalskizzy]

I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man

[Monty Burns]

Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump



If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted

[SodaJerk]

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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

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"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump



If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted

In Australia it's illegal not to vote if you are of voting age

[Tufty]

Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr

Please read the article before getting defensive.

 Reading that there are far-left forces in US universities is the most laughable thing. Americans being so much politically castrated from the left side, due to the cold world era, have no idea when it comes to politcs. Identity politics and the so called political correctness have nothing to do with the left. It is actually the left side of neoliberalism. Something that would put those people in the center right political spectrum. No far-leftist spends so much energy on the superconstruct of capitalism (meaning the civilization products of capitalism as ethics and etc.). Actual leftists bring the radical transformation of the production system first. I know that the average left american is in fact a center right guy... Man you even baptized Obama as socialist.... What a joke...

 The article is classical liberal (and i mention this with the correct meaning: as someone who is pro-free market) moaning. When shit hits the fan everything is at fault except them and their elites. Their elites that are poverizing more and more people everyday and they expect that people will behave as they wish. No man people are desperate to grasp something because they see that their future is grim and sometimes when there is no true education people are getting a grip on the charriot of fascism. The same play was on stage in 1900 and it led to two world wars and nazism, those elites are so desperate to preserve capitalism, as it is, that they are gonna create monsters again.

P.S. That is an article of how marxist influenced philosophers see identity politics and the "PC" Thingy

http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/

[JB]

What Clinton did was illegal and people loose their job over it and do time in jail . A US Navy Sailor took a selfie on a nuclear Sub and is facing 10 years for it.  Clinton ran a server with top secret information from her bathroom and had her maid and random people printing out emails from it. What makes her above the law ? Really frustrates me that so many Americans are so none caring about that   

plenty of people are. i was really turned off from the DNC and how they handled all the scandalous shit surrounding hillary so shamelessly during this election. and everyone is just supposed to accept that theyre the good guys.

[jomeara1]

There are gonna be tons of riots the next 4 years. 

[Iceman]

just some perspective: conservatives were outraged when obama won in 2008 and hate crimes immediately spiked but dropped after a few weeks. tensions remained high throughout his tenure but somewhat mellowed over time.

[MYXGAMES2015]

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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

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"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump



If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted

Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.

Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit

[Glue Reed]

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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

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"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump



If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted

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Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.

Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit

John Oliver recently had a segment about this on his show that explains why (not surprisingly, religion is involved). 



I apologize for being repetitive (I posted this in the other thread), but comedian/writer Dana Gould posted this on his blog the day after the election and I thought it was great and helped bring a little peace of mind... to me anyway.

I feel like it's too early to think 'silver lining' as this country should be enraged, but worth a read:

"As the British said, Keep Calm and Carry On.

Keep doing what you are doing. Keep being the person you are. Effect change on your level.

Tune out the news and don?t pay attention to the daily back-and-forth. The pendulum will swing the other way?

In time.

This country is an alcoholic on the verge of rock bottom; this vote, like the Brexit vote, is a tantrum. The panicky shriek of a frightened people whose privilege has lost its currency.

Like most decisions made in anger, it was ill advised.

Angry white America voted for the promise to go back in time. That America would be great AGAIN. Like it WAS. Our manufacturing base will come back. All the brown people will all do away?

It?s white flight from reality.

The world is changing and a lot of frightened people bought a cynical promise to go back in time.

But the clock only moves in one direction. Change is the only constant. Evolution does not favor the strongest, it favors those most adaptable to change. Ask a Brontosaurus.

This will be a hard and ugly four years. Watching an addict hit rock bottom and admit they have a problem that can?t solve on their own is difficult to watch, but if they can accept it, they get to view the world in a new way.

This will be where white America finally gives up its illusion that one day things will go back to being the way they were. And when it slowly dawns on them that the 1950?s are never coming back, it?s going to be ugly.

In the meantime, take care of yourself, try not to look at it and be grateful you are in the 49 % of this country who?s not afraid of the direction of the clock."

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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

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"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump



If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted

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Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.

Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit

You can absentee vote or vote early...You don't have to vote on that day and time...its a bad excuse if people are using this as a reason as to why they didnt vote

[Level 60 Dwarf Paladin]

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Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

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"The US Elections Project estimates that 131.7 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016, out of 231 million eligible voters ? a turnout rate of 56.9 percent. This is still just a preliminary estimate, and states are still finalizing tallies, so check back for updates. But if those numbers hold, that?s a slightly lower turnout rate than 2012. "

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573904/voter-turnout-2016-donald-trump



If those numbers are correct that is pretty low. I do believe last election in Sweden over 85% voted

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Makes sense though. They hold their elections on a Sunday, so its much easier for people to vote.

Fuck is up with America holding elections on a Tuesday? With polls open from 7AM to 7PM???
Like, go out and vote! (but only if you can take time off work today, or vote right when the polls open before work, or right when they close after work) Some bullshit

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You can absentee vote or vote early...You don't have to vote on that day and time...its a bad excuse if people are using this as a reason as to why they didnt vote

There are ways around it, but it's still a giant pain in the ass to vote on a Tuesday. Take time off, wait in line for hours, travel, find child care, whatever. They don't want the working poor to vote, so they keep it on a Tuesday. 

Another dated fucking system like the electoral college.

[wallieD]

this is gross. hope the media is happy with themselves for making trump seem like the devil

[oldgoodburger]

I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man

that's black friday

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I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man

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that's black friday

Yeah one has tons of riots, people yellling at eachother , murders , fights, shootings , burning and lootings . The other is the election

[Tracer]

this is gross. hope the media is happy with themselves for making trump seem like the devil

Pretty sure that's what got Trump the W. Fake polls, people saying the election was over 2 months ago, got all the Trump supporters to vote.

[Paul Cicero]

Lets not forget that only half the country voted.

From an outsider looking in, it blows my mind that people  are rioting despite this.

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this is gross. hope the media is happy with themselves for making trump seem like the devil

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Pretty sure that's what got Trump the W. Fake polls, people saying the election was over 2 months ago, got all the Trump supporters to vote.

yeah it backfired on them. they tried to scare them in to thinking he didn't have a chance. maybe some people on the other side felt like hillary had it in the bag and didn't need to vote. serves them right for lying.

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From an outsider looking in, it blows my mind that people  are rioting despite this.

it's 98% peaceful protests mostly by a bunch of college hipsters trying to feel important. hardly any rioting

[ChuckRamone]

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I fuckin' forgot this year I htought it was on day after thanksgiving man

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that's black friday

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Yeah one has tons of riots, people yellling at eachother , murders , fights, shootings , burning and lootings . The other is the election

that would be funny if you went on a shopping spree on election day and tried to vote on black friday. you'd be like why is everything so expensive ... wait, Trump is president? shit. what just happened?

[ChuckRamone]

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Food for thought: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr

Please read the article before getting defensive.

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 Reading that there are far-left forces in US universities is the most laughable thing. Americans being so much politically castrated from the left side, due to the cold world era, have no idea when it comes to politcs. Identity politics and the so called political correctness have nothing to do with the left. It is actually the left side of neoliberalism. Something that would put those people in the center right political spectrum. No far-leftist spends so much energy on the superconstruct of capitalism (meaning the civilization products of capitalism as ethics and etc.). Actual leftists bring the radical transformation of the production system first. I know that the average left american is in fact a center right guy... Man you even baptized Obama as socialist.... What a joke...

 The article is classical liberal (and i mention this with the correct meaning: as someone who is pro-free market) moaning. When shit hits the fan everything is at fault except them and their elites. Their elites that are poverizing more and more people everyday and they expect that people will behave as they wish. No man people are desperate to grasp something because they see that their future is grim and sometimes when there is no true education people are getting a grip on the charriot of fascism. The same play was on stage in 1900 and it led to two world wars and nazism, those elites are so desperate to preserve capitalism, as it is, that they are gonna create monsters again.

P.S. That is an article of how marxist influenced philosophers see identity politics and the "PC" Thingy

http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/

That's true today's liberals in America are neoliberals, mostly concerned with identity politics instead of economics. That's a matter of semantics. Or maybe the meaning of the word liberal has kinda shifted and it now mostly describes what people would call SJWs. The article is correct too though that a backlash against political correctness was a major force in this election. If a group of people is mocked and derided long enough - people who may not always speak the lingo but mean well - they will become vengeful at some point. That's human nature. American liberals or the left or whatever you want to call them were pretty relentless and merciless in this regard. It was bound to happen, considering there's a lot of overlap between the people who elected Obama twice and the people who voted for Trump.

The way I see it, everything that's playing out is also a classic case of divide and conquer. The elites are still getting away with their shit and the public is distracted with petty bickering amongst one another. Trump is not anti-establishment at all. It's all a big lie.

[Eric ricks]

Im still shaking in a corner of my dark basement after being told i need to check my white priveledge shortly after obama wom POTUS.

My feelings are really hurt and im so confused???

[concernedcitizen]

good news fellow skateboarders, it is being said that among the other great candidates for his team (Palin, Christie, Giuliana) Trump is considering a man named Myron Ebell to lead the EPA transition in the US. 

although Mr. Ebell not a scientist, he's a leader in fighting against the great global warming hoax.  which, as we all know, is concocted and cultivated by hundreds of scientist around the world to further their agenda for political and economic control.  Ebell recognizes that our climate is changing but the outcome is not as bad as we make it - just a bit from wikipedia:

In 2006, Ebell wrote an article in Forbes titled "Love Global Warming". In the article, Ebell argues that increased temperatures caused by climate change would make colder regions more comfortable to live in, and in regions already known for warm weather, "the higher temperatures are killing people who are likely to die soon anyway."

the thing I take away for us - less harsh winters and more skateboard time!  of course not just in the northern US regions but globally!  everyone and everything living in cold regions can just adapt new lifestyles - more margaritas and beach time!  and those living in already unbearably hot locations can just move or die already.   I certainly hope he is appointed so we can help expedite this process

[TheFifthColumn]

I should point out that Trump's protectionist trade policies are considered to be rather bad economics.  Throughout his whole campaign he was taking about how bad free trade and NAFTA was.  Here's what economists think about free trade and NAFTA:

http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_0dfr9yjnDcLh17m

Question A: Freer trade improves productive efficiency and offers consumers better choices, and in the long run these gains are much larger than any effects on employment.
Strongly Agree - 29%
Agree - 56%
Uncertain - 5%
Disagree - 0%
Strongly Disagree - 0%

Question B: On average, citizens of the U.S. have been better off with the North American Free Trade Agreement than they would have been if the trade rules for the U.S., Canada and Mexico prior to NAFTA had remained in place.
Strongly Agree - 22%
Agree - 63%
Uncertain - 5%
Disagree - 0%
Strongly Disagree - 0%

So, Trump had said NAFTA was the worst trade deal ever, yet zero percent of economists think that NAFTA made the US worse off on average.  He's gonna have a real tough time finding economic advisors who agree with him.

[SodaJerk]

If he manages to slap a 45% tariff on Chinese imports I'm predicting the death of a Crailtap soonish.

[Made In China]

good news fellow skateboarders, it is being said that among the other great candidates for his team (Palin, Christie, Giuliana) Trump is considering a man named Myron Ebell to lead the EPA transition in the US. 

although Mr. Ebell not a scientist, he's a leader in fighting against the great global warming hoax.  which, as we all know, is concocted and cultivated by hundreds of scientist around the world to further their agenda for political and economic control.  Ebell recognizes that our climate is changing but the outcome is not as bad as we make it - just a bit from wikipedia:

In 2006, Ebell wrote an article in Forbes titled "Love Global Warming". In the article, Ebell argues that increased temperatures caused by climate change would make colder regions more comfortable to live in, and in regions already known for warm weather, "the higher temperatures are killing people who are likely to die soon anyway."

the thing I take away for us - less harsh winters and more skateboard time!  of course not just in the northern US regions but globally!  everyone and everything living in cold regions can just adapt new lifestyles - more margaritas and beach time!  and those living in already unbearably hot locations can just move or die already.   I certainly hope he is appointed so we can help expedite this process

I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm but it's still fucking scary to read because some people actually believe this.

[Tufty]

LoL. Those agreements have one thing in common... Making outsourching easier and cheaper. Thus helping income inequality and the rise of unemployment-underemployment in developed countries especially among those with lower education at the bottom levels of social ladder. Above all Trump's election as well as Brexit vote is a signal that the majority of people are or feel that they fall into those bottom levels of social ladder that economy has them neglected, so they vote for the options that seem to challenge the current economic agreements and status quo.    

In the end yeah those agrreements are good for the economy (of big buisinesses), but they also make the economy a game for less and less small buisinesses and working people. Good for big players bad for everyone else...

If he manages to slap a 45% tariff on Chinese imports I'm predicting the death of a Crailtap soonish.

I am predicting the death of Trump. There are so many buisinesses benefiting from outsourcing that they wont let this happen... In the end the markets decide and not the president or the people.

[Alan]

No way, I'm certain that manufacturing jobs will return to the US, but will pay waaay more than they do in China or wherever, while the cost of goods stays the same. That's what Trump's voters wanted and I am sure that he'll deliver.