Skate 4 Hype

[FuzzGNU]

Wonder why you only ever see movies about the world ending in cinemas? Why every piece of mainstream media mostly ignores socio-economic parameters and societal superstructures (eg. racism, patriarchy)?

Well, Mark Fischer said it better than anyone else “It is now easier to imagine the end of the world than an end to capitalism”

Basically what I said earlier, profits are so tight these days that every single thing is cut in order to maximise the money printing. Sequels and reboots are safe, the story is already told, no need for script writers or a good story, it’s already been told a million times. No need to design new characters/costumes/sets/lighting systems etc. ABD.

Now there are gems in the sea of shit billionaire owned medias pump into our skulls. For example the series “Dark” on Netflix instantly established itself as one of the best of this century (watch it please  ). Or Idk, you’ve also got artists who aren’t fooled by the wool and actively call out the bullshit like Boots Riley and the movie he acted in recently “Sorry to Bother you” or bands like Death Grips etc.
Coming back to movies, what we’re in right now is the death of mid scale budget films, movies made with a consequent budget, but not blockbuster levels of gargantuan money. A24 is pretty much the only studio taking creative risks these days and they’re winning big because they’re the only ones doing it (!!).

 Opposite you have Blade Runner 2049, one of the few blockbuster movie that took incredible risks and liberties with the source material and came out even better than the original with some strong underlying messages that escaped a lot of people (If those ideas were a bit more obvious I reckon it would never have been approved). And that movie flopped too because big studios are basically incapable of handling the creation of new movies, the advertising for Blade Runner 2049 was ridiculously small and allegedly deliberate, cos the studios involved didn’t believe it would make ANY money at all.

Video Games are even worse off, honestly just watch videogamedunkey’s recent E3 video. It’s just so blatantly obvious that the entire industry was engulfed in the same dynamics every other sector of society surrendered to. I seriously think you have to be brain damaged to look at that video and think things are fine (and i have literal brain damage!  )

But it makes me hopeful to see many people aren’t duped and when I discuss theory irl with people all I encounter is interest and sometimes enthusiasm. Most of my friends told me they started reading lenin because of me and ive got more examples. I really don’t think this stupid system can go on much longer, Covid+supply chain fuckery+idiotic ukraine war sanctions have brought it to its knees, we just don’t see it yet.

Yes! I think Sorry To Bother You is the only movie I've seen in recent years that has given a vision of fighting back against Capitalism in a material way. It is like training for Unionizing, and training for what Chris Smalls is doing right now with navigating the media as a public figure of a union. Like honestly, its so on the nose since the corporation in that movie is something akin to Amazon.

As I was reading your post I was going to bring up Sorry To Bother You in my reply, but then you brought it up! By the way, Boots Riley didn't act in Sorry To Bother You, he wrote/directed it!

Its quite telling that your example of a risky big budget movie is a Blade Runner sequel haha. I agree with you, but it really underscores the issue. I would also list the new Mad Max movie as a cool risk too, which again... hilarious that its also a sequel.

Yep. I feel like the 2008 crash sort of killed a lot of creativity in video games. The games that started getting greenlighted after that really changed. A lot of those mid-budget risks completely dried up by 2010-2012 (when all the games greenlighted before the crash stopped coming out). The Xbox 360 era still had some neat creative stuff going on. Even EA was taking small risks with games like Skate and FIFA Street. Since then alllllll the fat has been trimmed, and even the small budget sort of "indie games" from the major studios are a bunch of uncreative middle-brow mediocrity.

This was actually a big story this week. Context: Unity is the indie-friendly game engine that has been the sort of more-moral "good guy" compared to Unreal and Unreal Engine. If you've played an indie game, most likely it was made in Unity:

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2022-07-15-riccitiello-developers-who-push-back-against-monetisation-are-pure-brilliant-and-fucking-idiots

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/unity-ceo-says-youre-a-fing-idiot-if-you-dont-think-about-monetization-during-creative-process-apologizes/1100-6505516/

Yes, I agree. I am optimistic. Its great to see that Socialism and Unions are only dirty words around Boomers/GenXers these days. Like you said about COVID... the pandemic is still raging (third highest peak of the pandemic, but this one is sustained, its not peaking) and the whole Capitalist media apparatus and politicians are trying to convince people the pandemic is over and refer to it in the past-tense so workers will shut up and go-to work. I don't know how much longer they can keep that lie up, and I don't know how much longer this lie of an economy can be held up before collapsing.

Gotta put in the work now to build up our communities/unions to be self-sufficient before the shit hits the fan even worse.

[TwisT]

https://screenrant.com/skate-4-loot-boxes-datamine-free-play-developer/

"A dataminer has found loot boxes in Skate. called "Swag Bags" that uses a currency called "Taps" where players can unlock different customization options."

so, outfits and gear will be randomly given doled out threw Swag bags which are not loot boxes, even though you're buying a random box of loot.

gestures, DIY items, camera filters, also stuck behind some sort of swag bag, lootbox mechanic. Those were important to youtubers back in the day. If it follows other f2w mechanics, there will probably be a handful of daily/weekly limited items that you can outright buy a premium currency. You can probably expect something like a thrasher pack 5.99 this week only. May a day and date release with like cariuma, where the shoe goes live in real life and digital at the same time.

[newguy]

https://screenrant.com/skate-4-loot-boxes-datamine-free-play-developer/

"A dataminer has found loot boxes in Skate. called "Swag Bags" that uses a currency called "Taps" where players can unlock different customization options."

so, outfits and gear will be randomly given doled out threw Swag bags which are not loot boxes, even though you're buying a random box of loot.

gestures, DIY items, camera filters, also stuck behind some sort of swag bag, lootbox mechanic. Those were important to youtubers back in the day. If it follows other f2w mechanics, there will probably be a handful of daily/weekly limited items that you can outright buy a premium currency. You can probably expect something like a thrasher pack 5.99 this week only. May a day and date release with like cariuma, where the shoe goes live in real life and digital at the same time.

ayyyyuuuuup I’m never playing this garbage.

[newguy]

Also yes to everything you said Fuzz, and to everyone else, sorry for clogging up the thread 

[DannyDee]

Since its F2P, I'll obviously download it and test it out. But, a lot of the hype I had for it just died. I just wanted a good map, a decent story mode, and have no interest in multiplayer. Not shocked at EA, just disappointed they lived up to my extremely low expectations of them.

[DaleSr]

This shit just keeps getting more and more bleak. Fucking video game industry is so fucked

[FuzzGNU]

This shit just keeps getting more and more bleak. Fucking video game industry is so fucked

And this is the consumer/gamer side of things.

Its 10x worse for the developers. They WANT to make good games, they don't want to make soulcrushing exploitative products all about monetization. They really don't. The untalented business fucks are the ones actively ruining the artform.

The devs get treated like absolute shit by the companies most of the time. Its a brutal exploitative industry. On top of that, the developers get tons and tons of death threats and other harassment from gamers when its the greedy corporate fucks that are the ones ruining their favorite games.

Like for real, you're going to harass some game developer crunching and working his ass off 45-50 hours a week year round for $40k a year trying to make the best came they can, rather than the douchebag millionaire that directly profits off of how exploitative the game is? Directly profiting off of how much the developers are mistreated and underpaid?

We have a really sick culture of people harassing the easy targets of vulnerable people, and praising/excusing useless rich people that take credit for everyone else's' work. Its gross.

[TwisT]

Parkour/free running mechanic also seems overblown for a skateboard game.

[Theme For A Jackal]

Parkour/free running mechanic also seems overblown for a skateboard game.

I like some idea of it... like, hopping fences, climbing up onto roofs and jumping between them to find spots, etc. but I don't need to be backflipping off a roof into a bar swing

[hobochimp]

This honestly a tragedy. Could have been so easy for them to just do it right.

[Jordan Wiens]

This honestly a tragedy. Could have been so easy for them to just do it right.

this is short-sighted, ignorant, and so cynical

[Abyss1]

This shit just keeps getting more and more bleak. Fucking video game industry is so fucked

i still cant get a new ps5

[Atiba Applebum]

I would have just paid for a remaster. 

(Preferably 3 bc that’s the only original one I didn’t play, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the best one)

[ralf_]

1 is the best by far

[Abyss1]

Linus has some good takes about video games

[newguy]

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This honestly a tragedy. Could have been so easy for them to just do it right.

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this is short-sighted, ignorant, and so cynical

damn sounds like an economic system we’re all forced to take part in these days

[newguy]

it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

[Theme For A Jackal]

it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

I'd say they're just as often right wingers that also don't know anything who think capitalism is good but can't figure out why nothing is working out for them even though they're working 50+ hours a week and their small window of enjoyment is spent playing Call of Duty and eating Taco Bell and maybe fucking their fat wife if they're lucky or just jerking off in the basement

Sure, most of my friends that game are the left/liberal type (I don't consider myself liberal but I do consider myself leftist) but that's because that's the bubble I'm in. Growing up in a small town all the kids at my school that played games were of a right-wing variety even if they weren't smart enough to realize it

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it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

I think really is that video games have gotten on the level as making movies.  Spiderman credits was ridiculous too many people involved in any development project and streaming large data files is expensive for senders, they typically pass those costs off to consumers. 

The main objective for any commodity is NPV (NET Present Value) aka turn profits by any means, only gonna see them get sneakier with their tactics

[newguy]

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it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

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I think really is that video games have gotten on the level as making movies.  Spiderman credits was ridiculous too many people involved in any development project and streaming large data files is expensive for senders, they typically pass those costs off to consumers. 

The main objective for any commodity is NPV (NET Present Value) aka turn profits by any means, only gonna see them get sneakier with their tactics

Idk, I study 3D/VFX and actually VFX and 3D is dirt cheap to make because cgi artists arent unionised/have basically zero protection and get slapped around by studios and this is considered « the norm » and even encouraged by older artists (« married to your job », and other asinine bullshit). File transfers costs aren’t that expensive as well, and -besides studios like Marvel contract all the shit to other companies and only handle the irl stuff. the shit that costs is actors getting paid way too much, directors and producers also getting paid too much etc. Another thing, An enormous amount of cgi is in movies these days precisely because its cheap and removes the need for scouting locations and sending shit there physically, just contract a shitty studio that will abuse juniors to the brink of burnout and insert actors, voila. That’s why credits are so long these days because studios have to pretend like they give a shit about 3D artists, and even then most are cut, some names are wrong, its not in alphabetical order and if you work in the global south your name simply wont be there lol.

So in a sense movies are indeed very much like video games these days, down to horrible labor conditions and downright abusive treatment of workers. But no matter how shit the art gets, you will always have drones buying and consuming the slop while complaining it sucks (fat white youtuber with disgusting beard that yells about sjws and pocs in movies). That way you get to make even more cheddar, release capeshit for a decade and surf the green wave of profits woo hoo.

TL;DR: I disagree that costs are passed on the consumer when it comes to films, imo the cost is less about the price of a ticket, or online subscription, but more the quality of the content that is currently taking a fuckin dive. However I completely agree when it comes to games because while a film with shitty, abusive labor practice induced CGI can be salvaged by great actors, a shitty game rushed out too fast by abused and beat down devs will be just that, shitty. Idk it’s such a fucking mess, im glad our colleagues in game making are taking the fight to the man, can only hope that when I enter the job market there will be enough juniors like me to kickstart unions and fight for decent work conditions

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it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

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I think really is that video games have gotten on the level as making movies.  Spiderman credits was ridiculous too many people involved in any development project and streaming large data files is expensive for senders, they typically pass those costs off to consumers. 

The main objective for any commodity is NPV (NET Present Value) aka turn profits by any means, only gonna see them get sneakier with their tactics

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Idk, I study 3D/VFX and actually VFX and 3D is dirt cheap to make because cgi artists arent unionised/have basically zero protection and get slapped around by studios and this is considered « the norm » and even encouraged by older artists (« married to your job », and other asinine bullshit). File transfers costs aren’t that expensive as well, and -besides studios like Marvel contract all the shit to other companies and only handle the irl stuff. the shit that costs is actors getting paid way too much, directors and producers also getting paid too much etc. Another thing, An enormous amount of cgi is in movies these days precisely because its cheap and removes the need for scouting locations and sending shit there physically, just contract a shitty studio that will abuse juniors to the brink of burnout and insert actors, voila. That’s why credits are so long these days because studios have to pretend like they give a shit about 3D artists, and even then most are cut, some names are wrong, its not in alphabetical order and if you work in the global south your name simply wont be there lol.

So in a sense movies are indeed very much like video games these days, down to horrible labor conditions and downright abusive treatment of workers. But no matter how shit the art gets, you will always have drones buying and consuming the slop while complaining it sucks (fat white youtuber with disgusting beard that yells about sjws and pocs in movies). That way you get to make even more cheddar, release capeshit for a decade and surf the green wave of profits woo hoo.

TL;DR: I disagree that costs are passed on the consumer when it comes to films, imo the cost is less about the price of a ticket, or online subscription, but more the quality of the content that is currently taking a fuckin dive. However I completely agree when it comes to games because while a film with shitty, abusive labor practice induced CGI can be salvaged by great actors, a shitty game rushed out too fast by abused and beat down devs will be just that, shitty. Idk it’s such a fucking mess, im glad our colleagues in game making are taking the fight to the man, can only hope that when I enter the job market there will be enough juniors like me to kickstart unions and fight for decent work conditions

I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

[radcunt]

A few things from the video to keep in mind about the free-to-play aspect, as well as the fact that the devs are very actively made aware of feedback and response from people in the playtests, people in the comments sections, even people in this thread .

No PAID loot boxes. You get free ones or buy the ‘limited’ garbage they put in them when you miss out.

[newguy]

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it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

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I think really is that video games have gotten on the level as making movies.  Spiderman credits was ridiculous too many people involved in any development project and streaming large data files is expensive for senders, they typically pass those costs off to consumers. 

The main objective for any commodity is NPV (NET Present Value) aka turn profits by any means, only gonna see them get sneakier with their tactics

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Idk, I study 3D/VFX and actually VFX and 3D is dirt cheap to make because cgi artists arent unionised/have basically zero protection and get slapped around by studios and this is considered « the norm » and even encouraged by older artists (« married to your job », and other asinine bullshit). File transfers costs aren’t that expensive as well, and -besides studios like Marvel contract all the shit to other companies and only handle the irl stuff. the shit that costs is actors getting paid way too much, directors and producers also getting paid too much etc. Another thing, An enormous amount of cgi is in movies these days precisely because its cheap and removes the need for scouting locations and sending shit there physically, just contract a shitty studio that will abuse juniors to the brink of burnout and insert actors, voila. That’s why credits are so long these days because studios have to pretend like they give a shit about 3D artists, and even then most are cut, some names are wrong, its not in alphabetical order and if you work in the global south your name simply wont be there lol.

So in a sense movies are indeed very much like video games these days, down to horrible labor conditions and downright abusive treatment of workers. But no matter how shit the art gets, you will always have drones buying and consuming the slop while complaining it sucks (fat white youtuber with disgusting beard that yells about sjws and pocs in movies). That way you get to make even more cheddar, release capeshit for a decade and surf the green wave of profits woo hoo.

TL;DR: I disagree that costs are passed on the consumer when it comes to films, imo the cost is less about the price of a ticket, or online subscription, but more the quality of the content that is currently taking a fuckin dive. However I completely agree when it comes to games because while a film with shitty, abusive labor practice induced CGI can be salvaged by great actors, a shitty game rushed out too fast by abused and beat down devs will be just that, shitty. Idk it’s such a fucking mess, im glad our colleagues in game making are taking the fight to the man, can only hope that when I enter the job market there will be enough juniors like me to kickstart unions and fight for decent work conditions

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I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

I don't know much about US game dev, but in europe and china there's been a great deal of agitation recently, maybe I'm just projecting my hopes, maybe it will fizzle out, idk. I just want the best for my future colleagues. Also fuck capital G Gamers and Twitch streamers, they constantly bully game devs and derided union efforts for years, zero respect for the video-game hobbyists save a few public figures that really have good takes and shine a light on shitty labor conditions, like dunkey (his last of us 2 vid where he shreds his bigotted and idiotic subscribers is one of his all time greats)

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it’s interesting that so many clueless people are suddenly developing an interest into big ol’ capitalism once their main treats are crushed by contradictions. Like gamers are often sheltered and privileged libs who don’t know much about anything so they don’t name capitalism by name but they recognize something is very fucking wrong right now.

ITT alone I can tell everyone getting more and more desperate and angered, the more news come out that this game will be squeezed out for profits and hedge funds that own EA, and at how bleak things are, and it makes me hopeful because people are tired of the shit.

also devs really need to unionize fast. I’m in 3D anim and VFX and working conditions are even fucking worse and we also need unions now.

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I think really is that video games have gotten on the level as making movies.  Spiderman credits was ridiculous too many people involved in any development project and streaming large data files is expensive for senders, they typically pass those costs off to consumers. 

The main objective for any commodity is NPV (NET Present Value) aka turn profits by any means, only gonna see them get sneakier with their tactics

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Idk, I study 3D/VFX and actually VFX and 3D is dirt cheap to make because cgi artists arent unionised/have basically zero protection and get slapped around by studios and this is considered « the norm » and even encouraged by older artists (« married to your job », and other asinine bullshit). File transfers costs aren’t that expensive as well, and -besides studios like Marvel contract all the shit to other companies and only handle the irl stuff. the shit that costs is actors getting paid way too much, directors and producers also getting paid too much etc. Another thing, An enormous amount of cgi is in movies these days precisely because its cheap and removes the need for scouting locations and sending shit there physically, just contract a shitty studio that will abuse juniors to the brink of burnout and insert actors, voila. That’s why credits are so long these days because studios have to pretend like they give a shit about 3D artists, and even then most are cut, some names are wrong, its not in alphabetical order and if you work in the global south your name simply wont be there lol.

So in a sense movies are indeed very much like video games these days, down to horrible labor conditions and downright abusive treatment of workers. But no matter how shit the art gets, you will always have drones buying and consuming the slop while complaining it sucks (fat white youtuber with disgusting beard that yells about sjws and pocs in movies). That way you get to make even more cheddar, release capeshit for a decade and surf the green wave of profits woo hoo.

TL;DR: I disagree that costs are passed on the consumer when it comes to films, imo the cost is less about the price of a ticket, or online subscription, but more the quality of the content that is currently taking a fuckin dive. However I completely agree when it comes to games because while a film with shitty, abusive labor practice induced CGI can be salvaged by great actors, a shitty game rushed out too fast by abused and beat down devs will be just that, shitty. Idk it’s such a fucking mess, im glad our colleagues in game making are taking the fight to the man, can only hope that when I enter the job market there will be enough juniors like me to kickstart unions and fight for decent work conditions

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I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

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I don't know much about US game dev, but in europe and china there's been a great deal of agitation recently, maybe I'm just projecting my hopes, maybe it will fizzle out, idk. I just want the best for my future colleagues. Also fuck capital G Gamers and Twitch streamers, they constantly bully game devs and derided union efforts for years, zero respect for the video-game hobbyists save a few public figures that really have good takes and shine a light on shitty labor conditions, like dunkey (his last of us 2 vid where he shreds his bigotted and idiotic subscribers is one of his all time greats)

Dunkey is dope, I think this video says how I feel about game costs.  But yea during the pandemic I got a little hooked on twitch streamers, and after 8 months of it had to turn it off completely,

[dannyprovolone]

This doesn't seem like a successor to the Skate series, it seems more like a reboot of the franchise away from an actual skateboarding game

fully agree with this

gameplay/character animations does not look significantly improved.
its been over a decade tho

[ice nine]

yea this looks pretty weak so far. but i couldn’t care less about all the loot shit. just gimme a new map and don’t fuck up hardcore mode too badly.

[FuzzGNU]

I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

Gamers =/= Game Developers

Trust me, Game Developers are all talking about unionization right now. Especially the ones just entering the industry right now during this youth-driven unionization wave around the country. The most vocal minority of gamers who post toxic consumer manbaby takes on social media... Those are the ones who harass and send death threats TO Game Developers. Their self-centered/childish/toxic views are not representative of the people making the games.

Also, fuck Destiny/Vaush. Pieces of shit. Hasan is cool though.

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I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

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Gamers =/= Game Developers

Trust me, Game Developers are all talking about unionization right now. Especially the ones just entering the industry right now during this youth-driven unionization wave around the country. The most vocal minority of gamers who post toxic consumer manbaby takes on social media... Those are the ones who harass and send death threats TO Game Developers. Their self-centered/childish/toxic views are not representative of the people making the games.

Also, fuck Destiny/Vaush. Pieces of shit. Hasan is cool though.

Relevant Vaush clip

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYad36NjvVf/?igshid=NmZiMzY2Mjc=

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I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

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Gamers =/= Game Developers

Trust me, Game Developers are all talking about unionization right now. Especially the ones just entering the industry right now during this youth-driven unionization wave around the country. The most vocal minority of gamers who post toxic consumer manbaby takes on social media... Those are the ones who harass and send death threats TO Game Developers. Their self-centered/childish/toxic views are not representative of the people making the games.

Also, fuck Destiny/Vaush. Pieces of shit. Hasan is cool though.

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Relevant Vaush clip

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYad36NjvVf/?igshid=NmZiMzY2Mjc=

Lol hilarious.

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I doubt gaming developers will unionize. Gamers and twitch streamers often care little about systematic issues, Destiny, Vauch (sp?), Hasan probably the only one on twitch advocating unions but is not really a gamer

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Gamers =/= Game Developers

Trust me, Game Developers are all talking about unionization right now. Especially the ones just entering the industry right now during this youth-driven unionization wave around the country. The most vocal minority of gamers who post toxic consumer manbaby takes on social media... Those are the ones who harass and send death threats TO Game Developers. Their self-centered/childish/toxic views are not representative of the people making the games.

Also, fuck Destiny/Vaush. Pieces of shit. Hasan is cool though.

There is a culture behind games and twitch seems to be fostering the youths…xqc and faze clan are all these kids favorites,  hasan is smart but his narcissism gets me- he talks about himself way too much.  Also for large gaming studios and developers i think there is a still a lack of diversity…still mostly rich white males controlling the market/business


edit: this just came out today, find that Wolff has the best takes on unionizing