California (Silicon Valley shit) and NY(Bank Shit) are the only states benefited from the globalization, a project fully supported by Obama. Now that Trump seems to disturb this project, tech world and Banks seem to go ape shit. Calexit is a manifestation of this. It wont happen as nothing happened at Brexit with Scotland, Wales etc.
1. Brexit hasn't happened yet. Just three days ago the Parliament voted to start official talks of leaving the EU, which can take up to two years.
2. Maybe you forgot when Obama placed tariffs on Chinese steel and Chinese made tires. (
http://www.smh.com.au/business/us-slaps-tariffs-on-chinese-steel-imports-20091106-i1wu.html) or when McCain tried to label Obama a protectionist (
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-balancing-act-on-free-trade-20-06-2008/). Or when Obama supported the anti-free trade Farm Bill and the Heritage Foundation freaked out (
http://www.heritage.org/trade/report/promoting-free-trade-agriculture). Or when the WSJ explained how Obama's tarriffs and anti-free trade policies would kill the American economy as (they argued) tariffs were the cause of the Great Recession (
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704696304575538573595009754) and the America Enterprise Institute complained that his tariffs against China cost more than they saved (
https://www.aei.org/publication/2009-tire-tariffs-cost-us-consumers-926k-per-job-saved-and-led-to-the-loss-of-3-retail-jobs-per-factory-job-saved/). However, yes, later in his tenure as president his stance changed.
3. Way to try and turn this into a blue vs. red issue when this is a really a worker vs owner issue.
3a. I'm sure Arkansas's most powerful company (Walmart) and its customers are probably pretty sad about globalization. I hear Walmart and its customers' drive for cheap garbage had nothing to do with manufacturers fleeing the US looking for insanely cheap goods in the first place. Also, I'm sure Texas was sad about increasing its oil exports to Mexico.
3b. NY is not just NYC and CA is not just SF. Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester, etc., were negatively affected by manufacturing leaving the US. Also, just like Chicago, NYC was once known for its manufacturing as well.
3c. Before we try to make this a red/blue issue lets revisit this quick snippet from a 2005 FOX News article on CAFTA:
"Democrats have generally opposed new international trade agreements on two fronts: They hurt American jobs by giving companies better opportunities to move offshore for cheaper labor, and they do not enforce fair labor and environmental standards in participating countries outside the United States."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/05/17/cafta-reinvigorates-job-loss-issue.html3d. Lets remember only 33% of Republicans and 35% of Democrats thought of foreign trade as a threat to the US in 2000 and then in 2009 50% of Republicans and 48% of Democrats viewed it as a threat. It seems voters of both parties had worried about this relatively equally (
http://www.gallup.com/poll/115240/americans-negative-positive-foreign-trade.aspx). Also, in 2010 if you asked Dems/Reps if they had been hurt by free trade 43 of dems said yes and 46 of reps said yes, if you asked them if they've been helped 25 of dems said yes and 23 of reps. Once again pretty equal. (
http://www.gallup.com/poll/2893/americans-think-increased-trade-china-will-help-us-economy.aspx). However, what was unequal was what dems/reps focused on when it came to these trade policies. In 2000 42% of Democrats viewed JOBS as the key thing to consider in trade policies while only 34% of Republicans wanted to emphasize jobs.
3e. And probably the most important one. The Heritage Foundation (cited multiple times above), according to the conservative Washington Examiner, is the key think tank influencing Trump's transition in the presidency (
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/heritage-foundation-takes-risk-and-wins-big-with-trump/article/2607078).
4. If any of the key economic states left the US, it would probably be a big problem for that state and the country as a whole. CA, TX, NY, IL, and FL hold important bargaining chips, but even with these chips, I'd imagine if any individual state that decided to leave would face significant issues. They could significant hurt America by leaving but they'd hurt themselves significantly as well.
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