Author Topic: The HD 4:3 thread (Read 63817 times)

Jordan Wiens · « **Reply #540 on:** May 10, 2023, 01:50:01 PM »

Quote from: christopherwalters on May 10, 2023, 05:17:17 AM

Does anyone know where I can get a decent working HPX170 besides eBay. I’m a little sketched out to buy one off there especially because I’ll be shipping it quite far. Any leads would be appreciated!

https://www.adorama.com/us1663505.html adorama usually has some stuff kicking around. they have this hmc150 (hpx but films in a different codec to sd card). the only hpx they have rn is the PAL hpx171E (50fps). https://www.adorama.com/us1505647.html

35mm · « **Reply #541 on:** May 11, 2023, 03:44:03 PM »

Quote from: natenola forever on May 09, 2023, 11:37:28 AM

New edit ip put together 4:3 HD, actually all shot in 4k, and a bunch of VHS with a MK1 death lens, put a ton of slow mo just to bum everyone out

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The fisheye looks very wide. Sadly you can see the camera grip on the edge of the frame.
I suppose you are either using the laowa 4mm, the meike 3.5mm or the 7artisans 4mm. Apparently the laowa shows more of the camera grip even though it is the less wide of the three, just because it is so small. I also depends on how big the camera grip is.
What camera are you using? GH5?

Beltran · « **Reply #542 on:** May 14, 2023, 11:46:48 PM »

My contribution to this thread.

http://youtu.be/bVDZ6V69MxU

c-dock · « **Reply #543 on:** May 17, 2023, 07:55:41 PM »

Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think https://youtu.be/zflxY7yPTDY

Jordan Wiens · « **Reply #544 on:** May 17, 2023, 08:01:35 PM »

Quote from: c-dock on May 17, 2023, 07:55:41 PM

Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think

the stretch u did is quite obvious. its easy to tell when you know the vig is supposed to be circular and not oval. if you need to do it for whatever reason just ease off a bit to where its not noticeable.

fineslime · « **Reply #545 on:** May 17, 2023, 08:20:11 PM »

Quote from: c-dock on May 17, 2023, 07:55:41 PM

Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think

The mk1 footy reminds me of DVX footage from back in the day and I've always loved that camera. Can you post a pic of your setup? I'd be interested to see it.

c-dock · « **Reply #546 on:** May 17, 2023, 09:52:45 PM »

Quote from: Jordan Wiens on May 17, 2023, 08:01:35 PM

Quote from: c-dock on May 17, 2023, 07:55:41 PM
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Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think
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the stretch u did is quite obvious. its easy to tell when you know the vig is supposed to be circular and not oval. if you need to do it for whatever reason just ease off a bit to where its not noticeable.

Yeah I found out I fucked up and forgot to set the pixel aspect ratio on my render settings the same as my project settings. Came out in square not true 4:3 but I have that and better crop settings figured out for the future

Quote from: fineslime on May 17, 2023, 08:20:11 PM

Quote from: c-dock on May 17, 2023, 07:55:41 PM
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Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think
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The mk1 footy reminds me of DVX footage from back in the day and I've always loved that camera. Can you post a pic of your setup? I'd be interested to see it.

EdwardVsShark · « **Reply #547 on:** May 23, 2023, 09:53:48 PM »

http://vimeo.com/829677759

Canon Vixia HV30
CAMVATE Adjustable Camera Cage (1722 model)
Atomos Ninja 2 / Atomos Ninja Star (to bypass MiniDV tapes as well as apply 2:2 pulldown to record 1080p29.97 instead of 1080i60)
Recorded in ProRes 422 LT ~102mbps (compared to 25mbps for MiniDV tapes)

Nikon FC-E9 0.2x Fisheye
43mm to 46mm step-up ring

on-board microphone for now (camcorder doesn't provide power via the 3.5mm jack)

Stabilizer on for long lens shots
Stabilizer off for fisheye shots

1440x1080 timeline
fisheye shots zoomed in 10% and roughly centered

35mm · « **Reply #548 on:** May 27, 2023, 01:56:22 AM »

^Reading that was a trip. At first I was like: who still uses an HV30? (worst of both worlds, 16:9 into tapes). Then I continued reading and the whole tapeless setup description surprised me. Love reading the technical nerdery.

On another note, I was checking this clip filmed by Kevin Perez and realized the vignetting on the fisheye isn't a circle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu5JVJr11yM

This is a superimposed circle over a screencapture. As you can see the vignetting of the fisheye is more of a ellipsis.

So I assume that the footage is filmed on a more square-ish aspect ratio and stretched to fit a 16:9 aspect ratio.

Apparently it is a 3:2 crop stretched to 16:9.

There is a gain in vertical width without looking to stretched. I think a 4:3 crop to 16:9 would definitely be to noticeable.

I have mixed feelings about it though. Things get distorted horizontally and it reminds me of the era when people filmed VX and stretched it to 16:9 ie Solo Jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5WiJVz7pFY

CossRooper · « **Reply #549 on:** May 28, 2023, 06:22:17 PM »

Quote from: EdwardVsShark on May 23, 2023, 09:53:48 PM

http://vimeo.com/829677759

Canon Vixia HV30
CAMVATE Adjustable Camera Cage (1722 model)
Atomos Ninja 2 / Atomos Ninja Star (to bypass MiniDV tapes as well as apply 2:2 pulldown to record 1080p29.97 instead of 1080i60)
Recorded in ProRes 422 LT ~102mbps (compared to 25mbps for MiniDV tapes)

Nikon FC-E9 0.2x Fisheye
43mm to 46mm step-up ring

on-board microphone for now (camcorder doesn't provide power via the 3.5mm jack)

Stabilizer on for long lens shots
Stabilizer off for fisheye shots

1440x1080 timeline
fisheye shots zoomed in 10% and roughly centered

that's insane, props to you for putting together such a strange setup. in my ebay browsings i've always seen those "HDV" cameras that use tapes and film 1080i and I thought they were irredeemable but you made something out of it. never would have thought to go tapeless with those tape HD cameras

also putting the cage to the left of the camera to surround the flip out LCD is a stroke of cage design genius

i think I really want an FC-E9

dope post @35mm , seems like people are cropping and stretching all crazy lately, love to see some experimentation

badding · « **Reply #550 on:** May 30, 2023, 03:10:49 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSRnzdkrWAg

My latest 4:3 project filmed with GoPro MAX (fisheye) & Sony FDR-AX33 (long lens). GoPro records 1920x1440 4:3 60 fps and Sony 4K 16:9. Timeline is 1920x1440 and long lens clips are cropped to fit that. I'm used to VX era filming but i like how lightweight and easy this setup is.

JoeyButterfingers · « **Reply #551 on:** May 31, 2023, 06:01:11 AM »

Quote from: CossRooper on May 28, 2023, 06:22:17 PM

Quote from: EdwardVsShark on May 23, 2023, 09:53:48 PM
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http://vimeo.com/829677759

Canon Vixia HV30
CAMVATE Adjustable Camera Cage (1722 model)
Atomos Ninja 2 / Atomos Ninja Star (to bypass MiniDV tapes as well as apply 2:2 pulldown to record 1080p29.97 instead of 1080i60)
Recorded in ProRes 422 LT ~102mbps (compared to 25mbps for MiniDV tapes)

Nikon FC-E9 0.2x Fisheye
43mm to 46mm step-up ring

on-board microphone for now (camcorder doesn't provide power via the 3.5mm jack)

Stabilizer on for long lens shots
Stabilizer off for fisheye shots

1440x1080 timeline
fisheye shots zoomed in 10% and roughly centered
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that's insane, props to you for putting together such a strange setup. in my ebay browsings i've always seen those "HDV" cameras that use tapes and film 1080i and I thought they were irredeemable but you made something out of it. never would have thought to go tapeless with those tape HD cameras

also putting the cage to the left of the camera to surround the flip out LCD is a stroke of cage design genius

i think I really want an FC-E9

dope post @35mm , seems like people are cropping and stretching all crazy lately, love to see some experimentation

I recently bought the FC-E9 and regardless of camera
It’s used on there’s a noticeable vignette shale that drives me wild 😤

P2PIMP · « **Reply #552 on:** June 20, 2023, 05:31:34 PM »

i just dropped a new video filmed in the pacific northwest with the meike fisheye/AF100 combo with the HVX for long lens. lemme know what y’all think!

i have another project that i’m filming in HD 4:3 that i’m working on in nyc right now and i’m geeked up to share it with y’all when it’s finished.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iskx8WUgQ

Light · « **Reply #553 on:** June 21, 2023, 11:26:09 PM »

Has anybody tried any of the power zoom lenses on the GH4/5? Worth a shot to avoid getting a camcorder for long lens or still has the exact same problems?

ImmanuelCunt · « **Reply #554 on:** June 22, 2023, 01:01:05 AM »

Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ggbr004NU

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x 2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.

Light · « **Reply #555 on:** June 22, 2023, 04:59:22 AM »

Quote from: ImmanuelCunt on June 22, 2023, 01:01:05 AM

Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ggbr004NU

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x 2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.

Not the Power OIS but there was a 45-175 Power Zoom lens that has a zoom on the lens itself supposedly imitating parfocal lenses (of course to a much lesser degree) - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818956-REG/Panasonic_H_PS45175K_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

That setup you have there is sick thanks for sharing, definitely feel the pain on trying to figure out something that's cheap, looks decent and doesn't take ten years and a 5 man crew to setup whenever you want to film lol

EdwardVsShark · « **Reply #556 on:** June 23, 2023, 06:05:36 PM »

Quote from: Light on June 22, 2023, 04:59:22 AM

Quote from: ImmanuelCunt on June 22, 2023, 01:01:05 AM
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Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ggbr004NU

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x 2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.
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Not the Power OIS but there was a 45-175 Power Zoom lens that has a zoom on the lens itself supposedly imitating parfocal lenses (of course to a much lesser degree) - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818956-REG/Panasonic_H_PS45175K_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

That setup you have there is sick thanks for sharing, definitely feel the pain on trying to figure out something that's cheap, looks decent and doesn't take ten years and a 5 man crew to setup whenever you want to film lol

Close to parfocal lenses on MFT would be:
Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 (close to parfocal when combined with a speedbooster that has been adjusted, zoom is not consistent, really heavy lens)
Olympus 12-40 2.8 (best bang for buck, best zoom consistency, solid focal length especially when combined with GH5 Extra Tele Conversion setting)
Panasonic Leica 10-25mm f1.7 (very spendy, short focal length, solid zoom consistency)

Have had the Panasonic PZ 14-42mm F3.5-5.6, it was a huge disappointment.

Maybe get a follow focus and attach it to the zoom ring if you go the route of any of the lenses I mentioned.

Here's a zoom out example with the Olympus 12-40mm:
https://imgur.com/a/KhcsJga

Jordan Wiens · « **Reply #557 on:** June 25, 2023, 08:30:46 AM »

just take the L, sell the panasonic and get a sony fx30 with the pz 18-105. micro 4/3rds and zooms are not worth. or get a panasonic camcorder as long lens cam

bezempluijmers · « **Reply #558 on:** June 29, 2023, 11:17:34 AM »

lately I'm making videos with this setup:

https://youtu.be/qWj1LMtfrgQ

it's a lumix g7 with a 7artisan 4mm

P2PIMP · « **Reply #559 on:** July 09, 2023, 08:54:56 AM »

quick lil nyc edit i made the other day

http://youtu.be/7GvgpWrw-dI

brbr · « **Reply #560 on:** July 10, 2023, 11:29:44 AM »

Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNQzwsGVSFE

Light · « **Reply #561 on:** July 12, 2023, 03:58:53 AM »

Quote from: brbr on July 10, 2023, 11:29:44 AM

Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNQzwsGVSFE

Rad video! Nice work

brbr · « **Reply #562 on:** July 12, 2023, 05:45:11 AM »

Quote from: Light on July 12, 2023, 03:58:53 AM

Quote from: brbr on July 10, 2023, 11:29:44 AM
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Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNQzwsGVSFE
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Rad video! Nice work

Thanks man !!! I appreciate it

Prrapatty · « **Reply #563 on:** July 19, 2023, 09:40:01 AM »

https://youtu.be/1McfoXtVxHU

Jo this is my first HD project and iam using the ax700 wit the babydeath and a cheap microphone
I also have an mk1 but I think it's better to film with the baby death, just because it's so cheap and for me the difference is not that big
What do you think ?

suckmadeck · « **Reply #564 on:** July 28, 2023, 06:42:07 AM »

Been working on a proper project where it's a mix of VX and HPX and 16mm so that'll be predominately 4x3 HD but I still dabble with mixing 16x9 and 4x3 on smaller projects. Here is a little park edit shot on my HPX171 and a Kapkur fisheye where I mixed the 2 aspect ratios.

https://youtu.be/oXZSqub_vSI

Jordan Wiens · « **Reply #565 on:** July 28, 2023, 09:09:58 AM »

Quote from: suckmadeck on July 28, 2023, 06:42:07 AM

not feeling the aspect ratio combo. id say just crop the 16:9, or do that after effects lens correction tech to stretch the 4:3 fish out to 16:9

fineslime · « **Reply #566 on:** July 29, 2023, 04:25:05 PM »

Quote from: P2PIMP on July 09, 2023, 08:54:56 AM

quick lil nyc edit i made the other day

http://youtu.be/7GvgpWrw-dI

nice work!

CossRooper · « **Reply #567 on:** July 31, 2023, 04:16:25 PM »

Quote from: P2PIMP on July 09, 2023, 08:54:56 AM

quick lil nyc edit i made the other day

http://youtu.be/7GvgpWrw-dI

yo this is crazy! I was at the monument the day with the sax player, i remember seeing that AF100+fish combo and being like "damn i'm interested in how that looks".

sick clip, that's gotta be one of the better HD4:3 fisheye setups. Relatively cheap too

ArneezyBeezy · « **Reply #568 on:** August 02, 2023, 01:19:12 PM »

https://youtu.be/WM_Opn7aB0U

HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

fineslime · « **Reply #569 on:** August 02, 2023, 05:49:24 PM »

Quote from: ArneezyBeezy on August 02, 2023, 01:19:12 PM

https://youtu.be/WM_Opn7aB0U

HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

man, I'm such a fan of HD 4:3. if I were to invest in a setup I'd def be shooting in 4:3. footage looks killer, and what a backyard to have! my only gripe is that the day/ evening clips seemed a little dark. the night clips looked on point! what was the approx total cost of your set up?