The HD 4:3 thread

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Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think

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the stretch u did is quite obvious. its easy to tell when you know the vig is supposed to be circular and not oval. if you need to do it for whatever reason just ease off a bit to where its not noticeable.

Yeah I found out I fucked up and forgot to set the pixel aspect ratio on my render settings the same as my project settings. Came out in square not true 4:3 but I have that and better crop settings figured out for the future

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Just recently upgraded from VX/MK1 to HMC/MK1. Curious to see what you guys think

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The mk1 footy reminds me of DVX footage from back in the day and I've always loved that camera. Can you post a pic of your setup? I'd be interested to see it.

[EdwardVsShark]

Canon Vixia HV30
CAMVATE Adjustable Camera Cage (1722 model)
Atomos Ninja 2 / Atomos Ninja Star (to bypass MiniDV tapes as well as apply 2:2 pulldown to record 1080p29.97 instead of 1080i60)
Recorded in ProRes 422 LT ~102mbps (compared to 25mbps for MiniDV tapes)

Nikon FC-E9 0.2x Fisheye
43mm to 46mm step-up ring

on-board microphone for now (camcorder doesn't provide power via the 3.5mm jack)

Stabilizer on for long lens shots
Stabilizer off for fisheye shots

1440x1080 timeline
fisheye shots zoomed in 10% and roughly centered

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^Reading that was a trip. At first I was like: who still uses an HV30? (worst of both worlds, 16:9 into tapes). Then I continued reading and the whole tapeless setup description surprised me. Love reading the technical nerdery.

On another note, I was checking this clip filmed by Kevin Perez and realized the vignetting on the fisheye isn't a circle.



This is a superimposed circle over a screencapture. As you can see the vignetting of the fisheye is more of a ellipsis.



So I assume that the footage is filmed on a more square-ish aspect ratio and stretched to fit a 16:9 aspect ratio.

Apparently it is a 3:2 crop stretched to 16:9.



There is a gain in vertical width without looking to stretched. I think a 4:3 crop to 16:9 would definitely be to noticeable.

I have mixed feelings about it though. Things get distorted horizontally and it reminds me of the era when people filmed VX and stretched it to 16:9 ie Solo Jazz.

[CossRooper]

Canon Vixia HV30
CAMVATE Adjustable Camera Cage (1722 model)
Atomos Ninja 2 / Atomos Ninja Star (to bypass MiniDV tapes as well as apply 2:2 pulldown to record 1080p29.97 instead of 1080i60)
Recorded in ProRes 422 LT ~102mbps (compared to 25mbps for MiniDV tapes)

Nikon FC-E9 0.2x Fisheye
43mm to 46mm step-up ring

on-board microphone for now (camcorder doesn't provide power via the 3.5mm jack)

Stabilizer on for long lens shots
Stabilizer off for fisheye shots

1440x1080 timeline
fisheye shots zoomed in 10% and roughly centered

that's insane, props to you for putting together such a strange setup. in my ebay browsings i've always seen those "HDV" cameras that use tapes and film 1080i and I thought they were irredeemable but you made something out of it. never would have thought to go tapeless with those tape HD cameras

also putting the cage to the left of the camera to surround the flip out LCD is a stroke of cage design genius

i think I really want an FC-E9

dope post @35mm , seems like people are cropping and stretching all crazy lately, love to see some experimentation

[badding]

My latest 4:3 project filmed with GoPro MAX (fisheye) & Sony FDR-AX33 (long lens). GoPro records 1920x1440 4:3 60 fps and Sony 4K 16:9. Timeline is 1920x1440 and long lens clips are cropped to fit that. I'm used to VX era filming but i like how lightweight and easy this setup is.

[JoeyButterfingers]

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Canon Vixia HV30
CAMVATE Adjustable Camera Cage (1722 model)
Atomos Ninja 2 / Atomos Ninja Star (to bypass MiniDV tapes as well as apply 2:2 pulldown to record 1080p29.97 instead of 1080i60)
Recorded in ProRes 422 LT ~102mbps (compared to 25mbps for MiniDV tapes)

Nikon FC-E9 0.2x Fisheye
43mm to 46mm step-up ring

on-board microphone for now (camcorder doesn't provide power via the 3.5mm jack)

Stabilizer on for long lens shots
Stabilizer off for fisheye shots

1440x1080 timeline
fisheye shots zoomed in 10% and roughly centered

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that's insane, props to you for putting together such a strange setup. in my ebay browsings i've always seen those "HDV" cameras that use tapes and film 1080i and I thought they were irredeemable but you made something out of it. never would have thought to go tapeless with those tape HD cameras

also putting the cage to the left of the camera to surround the flip out LCD is a stroke of cage design genius

i think I really want an FC-E9

dope post @35mm , seems like people are cropping and stretching all crazy lately, love to see some experimentation

I recently bought the FC-E9 and regardless of camera
It’s used on there’s a noticeable vignette shale that drives me wild 😤

[P2PIMP]

i just dropped a new video filmed in the pacific northwest with the meike fisheye/AF100 combo with the HVX for long lens. lemme know what y’all think!

i have another project that i’m filming in HD 4:3 that i’m working on in nyc right now and i’m geeked up to share it with y’all when it’s finished. 

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Has anybody tried any of the power zoom lenses on the GH4/5? Worth a shot to avoid getting a camcorder for long lens or still has the exact same problems?

[ImmanuelCunt]

Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
 

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x  2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.

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Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
 

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x  2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.

Not the Power OIS but there was a 45-175 Power Zoom lens that has a zoom on the lens itself supposedly imitating parfocal lenses (of course to a much lesser degree) - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818956-REG/Panasonic_H_PS45175K_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

That setup you have there is sick thanks for sharing, definitely feel the pain on trying to figure out something that's cheap, looks decent and doesn't take ten years and a 5 man crew to setup whenever you want to film lol

[EdwardVsShark]

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Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
 

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x  2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.

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Not the Power OIS but there was a 45-175 Power Zoom lens that has a zoom on the lens itself supposedly imitating parfocal lenses (of course to a much lesser degree) - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818956-REG/Panasonic_H_PS45175K_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

That setup you have there is sick thanks for sharing, definitely feel the pain on trying to figure out something that's cheap, looks decent and doesn't take ten years and a 5 man crew to setup whenever you want to film lol

Close to parfocal lenses on MFT would be:
Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 (close to parfocal when combined with a speedbooster that has been adjusted, zoom is not consistent, really heavy lens)
Olympus 12-40 2.8 (best bang for buck, best zoom consistency, solid focal length especially when combined with GH5 Extra Tele Conversion setting)
Panasonic Leica 10-25mm f1.7 (very spendy, short focal length, solid zoom consistency)

Have had the Panasonic PZ 14-42mm F3.5-5.6, it was a huge disappointment.

Maybe get a follow focus and attach it to the zoom ring if you go the route of any of the lenses I mentioned.

Here's a zoom out example with the Olympus 12-40mm:
https://imgur.com/a/KhcsJga

[Jordan Wiens]

just take the L, sell the panasonic and get a sony fx30 with the pz 18-105. micro 4/3rds and zooms are not worth. or get a panasonic camcorder as long lens cam

[bezempluijmers]

lately I'm making videos with this setup:



it's a lumix g7 with a 7artisan 4mm

[brbr]

Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it :

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Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it :

Rad video! Nice work

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Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it :

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Rad video! Nice work

Thanks man !!! I appreciate it

[Prrapatty]

Jo this is my first HD project and iam using the ax700 wit the babydeath and a cheap microphone
I also have an mk1 but I think it's better to film with the baby death, just because it's so cheap and for me the difference is not that big
What do you think ?

[suckmadeck]

Been working on a proper project where it's a mix of VX and HPX and 16mm so that'll be predominately 4x3 HD but I still dabble with mixing 16x9 and 4x3 on smaller projects. Here is a little park edit shot on my HPX171 and a Kapkur fisheye where I mixed the 2 aspect ratios.

[Jordan Wiens]

not feeling the aspect ratio combo. id say just crop the 16:9, or do that after effects lens correction tech to stretch the 4:3 fish out to 16:9

[fineslime]

quick lil nyc edit i made the other day

nice work!

[CossRooper]

quick lil nyc edit i made the other day

yo this is crazy! I was at the monument the day with the sax player, i remember seeing that AF100+fish combo and being like "damn i'm interested in how that looks".

sick clip, that's gotta be one of the better HD4:3 fisheye setups. Relatively cheap too

[ArneezyBeezy]

HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

[fineslime]

HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

man, I'm such a fan of HD 4:3. if I were to invest in a setup I'd def be shooting in 4:3. footage looks killer, and what a backyard to have! my only gripe is that the day/ evening clips seemed a little dark. the night clips looked on point! what was the approx total cost of your set up?

[ArneezyBeezy]

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HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

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man, I'm such a fan of HD 4:3. if I were to invest in a setup I'd def be shooting in 4:3. footage looks killer, and what a backyard to have! my only gripe is that the day/ evening clips seemed a little dark. the night clips looked on point! what was the approx total cost of your set up?

Thanks! Agreed, was not paying attention to the exposure and it got dark quickly. Want to get into the habit of checking the exposure with the waveforms since the lcd and viewfinder arent that great. Setup was about $1400 for HPX, new fisheye, 2x 64gb P2 cards, extra batteries and charger.

[buangsuwon]

Hi,

Long time reader of slap, first time poster. I got a Sony FX3 for work so figured I'd try it out skating too.

[s0lkatt]

I just got a hmc150, and I want to film mostly 4:3 but occasionally (if the project calls for it) widescreen. Is it feasible to get a 72mm opteka and space out for 4:3 or should I get the 52mm? I remember reading some posts about this but can’t seem to find them now, dunno if it was in this thread or another.

[Jordan Wiens]

I just got a hmc150, and I want to film mostly 4:3 but occasionally (if the project calls for it) widescreen. Is it feasible to get a 72mm opteka and space out for 4:3 or should I get the 52mm? I remember reading some posts about this but can’t seem to find them now, dunno if it was in this thread or another.

theyre all the same optics just with different threads so get the cheapest one you can find. wether it be opteka, veledge, kapkur..

you'll need 2-3 spacer/stepdown rings for 4:3

[Donny_filmz]

dusted off my gh5 the other day, been filming with my hpx/xtreme the last year or so.

settup is gh5 with the canon 8-15mm mounted using the metabones .64x speed booster and wooden camera vx mic. I set my zoom with the lens to where theres just a little in the corners then made a black mask cause i don't really like the blue.

[pbj]

[brbr]

why would you use a Century X-treme to crop it to 4:3...