A World Without CEOs

[jonny]

"i taste blood"

who are you?

[jrock]

Oh and Grim, I know you're sharp, but here's the definition of "propaganda" for your convenience.

Propaganda [prop-uh-gan-duh] –noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.

Provided by Dictionary.com
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

wow, posting the dictionary definition ... Internet 101...

[fahque]

oh i thought the word propaganda was just a witty name for a video put out by our "friends" at powell....... can someone please reveal the identity of the obvious insider called "i taste blood"......

[grimcity]

Hey, used-to-skate or currently skating industry people:

When did you decide that skateboarding owed you something?

[KoRnholio8]

kinda offtopic, but interesting: now that this Under fire hit the shops, our local skateboard brand came out with the new stock, only now priced the same as all the big boys (wtf) and they also made new shop decks that are about 10$ cheaper, which is kinda funny...

[MAGIK INC GROUPIE]

No good solutions?

[otis b driftwood]

No good solutions?

is there a problem to solve?

[MAGIK INC GROUPIE]

apparently there was. 

[otis b driftwood]

apparently there was. 

oh yeah. no more pros, sorry, forgot.

[MAGIK INC GROUPIE]

I can't stand behind that. Guess I have my own take.

[urujuay]

basically it boils down to fucking industry faggots, right sleaze?

[headache]

Oh and Grim, I know you're sharp, but here's the definition of "propaganda" for your convenience.

Propaganda [prop-uh-gan-duh] –noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.

Provided by Dictionary.com
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

What's a good battle without opposing sides of propaganda? I've made this analogy before but I'll make it again to break it down a bit for you. When 'big tobacco' spent 30 years using propaganda to convince people to smoke and convince people that it's a great social habit and doesn't cause cancer, society finally figured out that to even the playing field they had to launch their own form of propaganda AGAINST tobacco. And by all accounts, it's working.
That's why Grim's site is so brilliant. He's not lying, he's merely presenting the facts and his opinions on the situation that happen to be OPPOSED to the current propaganda that is currently out there that is slanted TOWARDS the skateboard industry. Which presents another view of the situation for those who want to make up their own minds. OK, just wanted to point out the obivous. I've been doing that a lot on here lately.

[I taste blood]

Agreed.

[schmitt067]

Hey Grim I was wondering what prompted you to include a major IASC player (Jim Gray / ABC skates) as a supporter of your "fuck the IASC telling us what to do" website. You do hand write the supporters yourself, correct? Just curious.

[grimcity]

Hey Grim I was wondering what prompted you to include a major IASC player (Jim Gray / ABC skates) as a supporter of your "fuck the IASC telling us what to do" website. You do hand write the supporters yourself, correct? Just curious.

He wanted his name included on the list... that's the only prereq required.
And yeah, I put everyone's name on by hand (the lists are text files sitting on the server).

[nomad]

Basically all of you take this shit WAY to serious. Why have 22 pages of this shit. If you want to support Pro's.. buy a fucking pro deck. If you can't afford one.... buy a fucking shop deck. Who really fucking cares. The companies will figure out a way around it. They will adapt.

[Assistant Janitor]

Maybe in your world Paychecks magically appear in the mailbox

but in mine, "this shit we take WAY too serious", is our livelyhood and how we feed our families.

[artichoke]

Maybe in your world Paychecks magically appear in the mailbox

but in mine, "this shit we take WAY too serious", is our livelyhood and how we feed our families.

Wahhhh.

You skate for a living, and if you were silly enough to start a family and try to support them off of it you're an idiot.  What are you going to do when you retire at 35?

It's also not our fault that your bosses are the ones who have let the blanks vs. pro deck issue get to this point.  The industry is to blame, not the consumers.

[kuman]

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Maybe in your world Paychecks magically appear in the mailbox

but in mine, "this shit we take WAY too serious", is our livelyhood and how we feed our families.

[close]

Wahhhh.

You skate for a living, and if you were silly enough to start a family and try to support them off of it you're an idiot.  What are you going to do when you retire at 35?

It's also not our fault that your bosses are the ones who have let the blanks vs. pro deck issue get to this point.  The industry is to blame, not the consumers.

Harsh reality but reality all the same. 

[89-90pistons]

Maybe in your world Paychecks magically appear in the mailbox

but in mine, "this shit we take WAY too serious", is our livelyhood and how we feed our families.

and by families, he means bar tab.

[MAGIK INC GROUPIE]

HEHEHHEHE


"AND ONE"

[KoRnholio8]

grim are you having any more phone calls or important emails? it looks like IASC is going to wait till the dust settles and then go on with their campaign unchnaged...

[grimcity]

Hell yeah, I'm still getting a decent number of phone calls, but the emails are fucking flowing. During the day, all of the emails are from North America, then in the morning I wake up to emails that came in from the other side of the planet... it's fucking rad.

Regardless of what the IASC does at this point, it's out there. A cople of mags may be doing pieces on the controversy (versus simply acting like free advertisements) concerning this whole thing. Nothing's set in stone though.

[noah]

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Maybe in your world Paychecks magically appear in the mailbox

but in mine, "this shit we take WAY too serious", is our livelyhood and how we feed our families.

[close]

and by families, he means bar tab.

[fahque]

keep on doing what your doing.... i can read this shit for days and days...
 ............GRIM for president..............

[plastic bench nerd]

grim, check it!

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4871/s5000216ng7.jpg

[Sleazy]

that graphic is sick, hows the board?

[plastic bench nerd]

its great, everyone out her is phsyched on the graphic too.

[headache]

grim are you having any more phone calls or important emails? it looks like IASC is going to wait till the dust settles and then go on with their campaign unchnaged...

The damage is done. This isn't a case of 'oh, shit. The kids know what's up. Run to the hills!' The real problem is that SHOP OWNERS know that the battle lines have been drawn. And when shop owners rebel against certain companies, the companies may start to suffer. What will skateboard companies be left with after their mall and monster mail order accounts shrink up? A world full of skate shops selling shop decks and blanks. And the companies are going to have to kiss major ass to get back into bed with them comfortably.
So while this may seem like a friendly kid forum discussion, the topic is getting out there for shop owners to consider. They're not going to give up on their own decks just because a few pros have asked them to. Which leaves us at a draw in my eyes. I don't think this is supposed to be some kind of revolution. It's more like a wake up call for companies to start  making better jugement calls now and down the line.

[fahque]

plastic bench.. i want one of those.... do you take paypal, and will that shop mail it to my shop? id trade shop deck for shop deck but mine are presently out of stock... how about some birdhouse boards for trade..?