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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #300 on: October 26, 2017, 07:29:57 PM »
He wrote a book, and now evolution is a scam.

 You and the D00D have turned this thread into a horrible head-on-collision between a short bus full of regular kids and a van full of paraplegics.



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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #301 on: October 28, 2017, 12:35:21 PM »
how the fuck is this still a thread? shit from story books doesn't exist and people that create cults based around them are mentally unstable. the end.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #302 on: October 28, 2017, 02:05:13 PM »
You see what man has done to us God?

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #303 on: October 28, 2017, 02:22:05 PM »
Ok forget religion, how do yall think life started? Did the building blocks already exist? Any theories?

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #304 on: October 28, 2017, 07:38:39 PM »
still waiting for some evidence to be posted. philosophical wankery does not equal evidence.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #305 on: October 28, 2017, 07:38:56 PM »
Ok forget religion, how do yall think life started? Did the building blocks already exist? Any theories?

Um, have you even read Genesis 1:1, bro?

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #306 on: October 28, 2017, 10:15:11 PM »
Ok forget religion, how do yall think life started? Did the building blocks already exist? Any theories?
Someone needed to pass a drug test to get a job, so they jerked off onto a mushroom, then ate it. Boom. Life as we know it.

 You and the D00D have turned this thread into a horrible head-on-collision between a short bus full of regular kids and a van full of paraplegics.



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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #307 on: October 29, 2017, 12:44:54 AM »

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #308 on: October 29, 2017, 09:39:56 AM »
well space/univese is contained even if it can expand, i think, so it could be that forces outside that vacuum are introducing rays and other shit which is how shit formed. or this vacuum we are in was tainted from the get, but where would that taintedness come from? or some shit with multiple vacuums interacting can cause some wierd energy. idunno i just wish i had some pcp.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #309 on: October 29, 2017, 10:31:59 AM »
chasing the dragon

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #310 on: October 29, 2017, 01:13:42 PM »

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #311 on: November 03, 2017, 05:09:28 PM »
Bumping because I want 2 believe.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #312 on: November 03, 2017, 05:16:41 PM »
*It's evident there's no God.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #313 on: November 03, 2017, 05:20:10 PM »
Bumping because I want 2 believe.

I also want 2 believe :(

Sorry Father for double-post.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #314 on: November 04, 2017, 11:09:50 AM »
Interview from the November 99 issue of "Skateboarder", about how Simon Woodstock is the David Lee Roth of skateboarding...







The last part keeps reverting back to its original size for some reason, when I try to embed it:

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #315 on: November 04, 2017, 08:38:49 PM »
*It's evident there's no God.

How so? Do we have absolute proof there is no God?

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #316 on: November 04, 2017, 08:43:33 PM »
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*It's evident there's no God.
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How so? Do we have absolute proof there is no God?

No but there’s also no proof that god exists. Nobody gives a fuck if you believe in a god or not, people just care that you try to shove your own beliefs on to them

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #317 on: November 04, 2017, 09:20:06 PM »
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*It's evident there's no God.
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How so? Do we have absolute proof there is no God?
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No but there’s also no proof that god exists. Nobody gives a fuck if you believe in a god or not, people just care that you try to shove your own beliefs on to them
You're onto someone there.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #318 on: November 04, 2017, 10:01:11 PM »
You see what god did to us man???
God didn't do that, you did. You're a fucking narcotics agent,I knew it all along!

Did Simon give up or are we going to a couple pages of responses?

Damn I left my bubbler at my parents house

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #319 on: November 04, 2017, 10:18:22 PM »
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You see what god did to us man???
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God didn't do that, you did. You're a fucking narcotics agent,I knew it all along!

Did Simon give up or are we going to a couple pages of responses?

I got word hes been writing/working on his response since Thursday...  It'll be a doozy.  Mindblowing shit.  Ya'all get your nice clothes ready for church tomorrow morning

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #320 on: November 05, 2017, 07:55:16 AM »
Ok forget religion, how do yall think life started? Did the building blocks already exist? Any theories?

The Christian religion has its theories based on Genesis 1. But, one can take a philosophical approach to the matter.

Some questions to ask:

If the early biochemicals did exist before the simplest life forms came to be, how then did those biochemicals come to exist?

And, if they did exist, how then did they assemble themselves in such complex ways without intelligent intervention?

These and related questions, in my understanding, should lead to the logical conclusion of an intelligent designer as the cause of life forms.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #321 on: November 05, 2017, 07:56:53 AM »
still waiting for some evidence to be posted. philosophical wankery does not equal evidence.

What kid of evidence would you then be willing to accept? (please give examples)

Also, what concrete evidence do you have that God does not exist?

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #322 on: November 05, 2017, 08:00:59 AM »
Bumping because I want 2 believe.

Took a bit of a break. The thing that is very appealing to me about God is that He has full explanatory power. A lot of these questions that are raised are good ones, and they are obviously hard to answer. But, they are much harder to answer from the position of God not existing. I am by no means presenting a 'God of the gaps'. Rather, once you have the lens of the God hypothesis in place to look at these matters in depth, the answers start to become clearer and clearer.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #323 on: November 05, 2017, 08:02:41 AM »
chasing the dragon

The leviathan is a large aquatic creature of some kind. The Bible refers to it as a fearsome beast having monstrous ferocity and great power. The Hebrew word for “Leviathan” has the root meaning of “coiled” or “twisted.” Isaiah 27:1 speaks of “Leviathan the fast-moving serpent, Leviathan the squirming serpent; . . . the sea monster” (NET). Whatever this monster of the sea is (or was), its strength and wild nature were well known.

There are a handful of references to the leviathan in the Old Testament. Most passages describe the leviathan as a real creature, familiar to people (who, of course, kept their distance) by reputation if not by sight. In Psalm 104:25–26 God is praised as the One who created the habitat for the leviathan: “There is the sea, vast and spacious, teeming with creatures beyond number—living things both large and small. There the ships go to and fro, and Leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.” Only a great God could have created Leviathan and then made a place big enough for it to “frolic” safely.

In Isaiah 27:1 the leviathan is used as a symbol for the wicked kings of the earth who withstand God’s people. The great power that wicked nations wield can be terrifying, but God assures His children that evil, no matter how monstrous, will be defeated: “In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword—his fierce, great and powerful sword—Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.” Psalm 74:14 contains a similar reference to God’s victory over Leviathan; in that psalm, the pharaoh of Egypt is most likely meant.

Job 41 gives the most detail about Leviathan as an actual sea creature. In that chapter, God describes Leviathan, emphasizing the animal’s size, strength, and viciousness. The leviathan cannot be tied down or tamed (Job 41:1, 5); it is frightening to even look at (verse 9); it is best left alone (verses 8, 10). The leviathan has a graceful form (verse 12) but is incredibly well protected with scales (verses 13, 15–17). Its chest is as impenetrable as its back (verses 15, 24). It has fearsome teeth (verse 14), and death awaits anyone who approaches its mouth (verses 18–21). Even mighty men are terrified of the leviathan (verse 25). No sword, spear, dart, javelin, arrow, stone, club, or lance can defeat it (verses 26, 28–29). It cannot be caged, because it breaks iron like straw (verse 27). On land, the leviathan leaves a trail of ruts; in the water, it produces a deep, churning wake (verses 30–32). God’s description of the leviathan concludes with a statement that it is the true king of the beasts: “Nothing on earth is its equal—a creature without fear” (verse 33).

So, what animal is Job 41 describing? Some commentators believe Leviathan is a crocodile. Others believe it is a whale or a shark. Based on the biblical description, it seems more likely that Leviathan is a large sea reptile, possibly a species of dinosaur such as the plesiosaurus. Job’s acquaintance with a dinosaur is not far-fetched at all, given that the book of Job is set in a very early time of history.

The point God makes in Job 41 is that Leviathan is under God’s sovereign control. Job had been questioning God (Job 26—31), but God turns the tables and uses the leviathan’s might to emphasize Job’s weakness and frailty. If God created Leviathan (an animal Job cannot stand before), then how great is God? Why is Job even trying to grapple with the Almighty?

Leviathan was a dangerous creature that caused seasoned warriors to turn and run. Leviathan is no myth, but rather a real creature of the sea, subject only to its Creator. As God says in His description of Leviathan, “Who then is able to stand against me? Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me” (Job 41:10–11).

ref: https://www.gotquestions.org/leviathan.html

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #324 on: November 05, 2017, 08:10:01 AM »
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Bumping because I want 2 believe.
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I also want 2 believe :(

Sorry Father for double-post.

Respectfully, I think the evidence points to the existence of God. Take the historical evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus, for instance. In oder for the resurrection to have occurred, there needed to be in existence a God outside of time and space that could preform the miracle of raising Jesus from the dead.

In support of the miracolous resurrection you have th following.

1) The validity of the four Gospel accounts.

2) The conversion and testimony of the Apostle Paul.

3) Over 500 witnesses of the risen Jesus.

4) The lack of better explanation for the empty tomb other than the Resurrection of Jesus.

5) The martyrdom of the Apostles for their belief in the Resurrection.

6) The earliest converts, who were Jews, changing their holy day from Saturday to Sunday.

7) Sources outside of the Bible affirming the Christ events (Tacitus, Josephus, Pliny the Younger, etc.).

There are more evidences for the Resurrection (and  the validity of the Gospels), but even these 7 are enough historical support for the belief.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #325 on: November 05, 2017, 08:12:40 AM »
Interview from the November 99 issue of "Skateboarder", about how Simon Woodstock is the David Lee Roth of skateboarding...







The last part keeps reverting back to its original size for some reason, when I try to embed it:


I had a good ride. I still make the rounds every once in a while.

http://juicemagazine.com/home/vans-classic-homecoming-celebration-in-costa-mesa-california/
(scroll down pictured with Ray Barbee)

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #326 on: November 05, 2017, 08:19:44 AM »
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*It's evident there's no God.
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How so? Do we have absolute proof there is no God?
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No but there’s also no proof that god exists. Nobody gives a fuck if you believe in a god or not, people just care that you try to shove your own beliefs on to them
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You're onto someone there.

Not really. The whole 'don't push your beliefs' is also a belief that is being pushed. It's self refuting. Why are you pushing your beliefs that people should not push their beliefs, etc.?

I don't really care that its self refuting. I would just rather actually discuss the pertinent issues rather than have to filed contradictory rhetoric.

There is a core issue of discussion here, though.

Lets say that pushing Christianity out in the public square should somehow be considered to be wrong.

On what basis would you say that to do so is wrong? What foundation are you relying on to say that it is wrong to do such a thing, and that your opinion should be considered to be right at the exclusion of the other, and so forth?

[Note: I have raised this question several times on this thread and no one has provided a sufficient response]

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #327 on: November 05, 2017, 08:20:53 AM »
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You see what god did to us man???
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Did Simon give up or are we going to a couple pages of responses?

I've been a bit busy. I am committed to this board/thread through December.

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #328 on: November 05, 2017, 08:29:11 AM »
Your acting as a regurgitator, same way of speach, same words as everyone else who attempts to preach. You bring nothing new to the table. I find it pretty pathetic. If your thoughts arent invented on your own but through the bible, just tell us to read the bible and leave it at that. Your serving no purpse being a middleman of ideas.

Okay, well then you can take a shot at answering the questions that have gone unanswered by skeptics in this thread:

How did the universe come to exist out of nothing?

How did life come from non-life?

How did all the diversity of life come to exist?

How do we explain the existence of immaterial souls if there is nothing but matter in reality?

How can anyone say that anything is wrong with anything if there is not a universal moral principle by which to make the claims? And, if that universal principle exists, how is it not based on God's existence, etc.?

And I will add:

Since historians agree that the tomb of Jesus was found empty 3 days after his crucifixion:

Is it more logical that Jesus faked His death, that the eyewitnesses all hallucinated thinking they saw the risen Jesus, that Jesus had a twin brother that no one knew about who came on the scene 3 days after the cross, that the apostles stole the body of Jesus, etc.?

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Re: Evidence for God
« Reply #329 on: November 05, 2017, 08:33:35 AM »
The way I see it, religion is just a tool used by those who have the economical and political power to control the people.
They just ask people to have faith on god.

Why is that guy the king who can decide who dies, who goes to war, who lives? Because god decided it.
Why? Nobody knows, you just have have faith on god's decisions.

Admittedly, individuals and leadership structures have misused religion for unwarranted political gain. If you read the Gospels, this is not what Jesus did. He actually did the contrary. As The True King, Jesus gave His life so those who believe in Him should have life everlasting. He is the humble King who is the servant of all.

If you have never read the true history of Jesus, you can start with the Gospel of John if you are interested. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1