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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2017, 11:25:37 AM »
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shit for brains, you got to clear your mind, dude
you sounds like a moron sometimes, the one who think he holds the truth, a sad truth
stop polluting our minds with your shit, man, and try to be more empathic and positive, like in a fucking poetry for god's sake !
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I don't think you understood or are capable of understanding what I said.
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2017, 12:28:37 PM »
I don't align with conservatives, right wingers, the alt-right, the nra, or any of the "gun nuts", but I do shoot guns and it's really getting harder and harder for someone like me to step up and say that im still pro-gun. nobody needs fully automatics. nobody needs bump stocks. nobody needs giant 30+ round clips. nobody needs something thats capable of killing and wounding that many people from 30 stories up. those things are not sporting goods. those things are made for killing people. nobody needs that shit. go ahead and ban it all.

im a sportsman and a responsible gun owner, and i know plenty of responsible and safe gun owners, and i know all of us would be pissed to have to give up our guns and give up a sport that we love to do, but all these innocent people who keep getting killed deserve their lives more than i deserve my gun. i dont want this shit to happen anymore.
I respect your willingness to give up the sport that you love to do but honestly you shouldn't even have to. It'd be a huge step for our country if we could at least have fully/semi automatic rifles banned and like you said things like bump stock or giant 30+ clips which are pretty useful when you want to mow innocent people down. We could so easily ban guns like that and then look at what to do about things like handguns which are the leading cause of gun deaths(suicide). Wish we could just take small steps in the right direction rather than our politicians not wanting to talk about it at all.

But instead right now the house of representatives is trying to find the right time to have a vote on a bill that eases the purchase of buying fucking silencers.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2017, 12:53:41 PM »
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I don't align with conservatives, right wingers, the alt-right, the nra, or any of the "gun nuts", but I do shoot guns and it's really getting harder and harder for someone like me to step up and say that im still pro-gun. nobody needs fully automatics. nobody needs bump stocks. nobody needs giant 30+ round clips. nobody needs something thats capable of killing and wounding that many people from 30 stories up. those things are not sporting goods. those things are made for killing people. nobody needs that shit. go ahead and ban it all.

im a sportsman and a responsible gun owner, and i know plenty of responsible and safe gun owners, and i know all of us would be pissed to have to give up our guns and give up a sport that we love to do, but all these innocent people who keep getting killed deserve their lives more than i deserve my gun. i dont want this shit to happen anymore.
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I respect your willingness to give up the sport that you love to do but honestly you shouldn't even have to. It'd be a huge step for our country if we could at least have fully/semi automatic rifles banned and like you said things like bump stock or giant 30+ clips which are pretty useful when you want to mow innocent people down. We could so easily ban guns like that and then look at what to do about things like handguns which are the leading cause of gun deaths(suicide). Wish we could just take small steps in the right direction rather than our politicians not wanting to talk about it at all.

But instead right now the house of representatives is trying to find the right time to have a vote on a bill that eases the purchase of buying fucking silencers.

im not giving anything up until a law is in place that says i have to. if it ever comes to that, well, then i hope that that law stops these massacres. im just having a hard time understanding the people who have to come out defend their reasons for owning all this over-the-top artillery that serves absolutely no sporting purpose, just because "its my goddamn right!"

who knows if and when any kind of reasonable gun control will ever happen. people are stupid and think of everything in black and white. you wont hear many opinions like mine come from the gun owners because the majority will fight any restrictions that the government pushes for. im just tired of being lumped in with those people who cant think sensibly or compassionately. too many people are dying. its not worth the lives we just lost and will undoubtedly continue to lose just so we can go out in the field and play rambo on the weekends.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2017, 01:09:45 PM »
main reason why I won't believe in any firearms control in the US? the 1986 assault weapons ban. it didn't remove a single weapon from anyone- and they can still be traded today, but you can't manufacture new fully automatic rifles. sure it takes a few tax stamps and things like that, but it's not an issue.

currently ar-15 type rifle are the biggest selling firearm type in the US, that means that even if the ar-15 platform is banned tomorrow then there will still be millions (maybe even billions) of these rifles out there. what it comes down to is that once the government tries to physically take your rifle away- then you're in some deep constitutional problem which no politician would want to get into.

there are some weird ass issues that the NFA seem to approve of. basically an ar-15 with a short barrel and no stock is a pistol (legally), even with a "brace" (which is exactly like a stock). a bump fire stock doesn't make a firearm into a class 3 weapon, because it doesn't alter the mechanical function of the firearm. shit like this is so regular that i can't believe how fucking stupid these people are- and i do enjoy firearms.

my take on it? you guys are fucked for life.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2017, 06:12:03 PM »
Well you've made a decent start to a 15 year olds livejournal post so I'm sure you'll come to some pretty sound conclusions. Please open with how "guidelines for journalists" is different than censorship. That should be enough to make smoke come out of your ears.

And look I know you're trying to sound smart, like 16 year old "can't we all get along?" smart, and be poetic about remembering victims not the perpetrator blahblahblah, but think about reality and the practical application of your dumb idea. Guidelines for journalists? Get the fuck out of here. You're talking about censorship and if you can't see that then good thing people like your skate videos because hoo boy.

Just saw your edit of that post..wow you're little profiling is absolutely spot on congratulations. I am truly romantic and also a big supporter of censorship, i hate freedom of speech, so much. Good thing you had your little flag ready to wave. I would like to invite you to re read the definition of guidelines and censorship but since you don't seem to even be able to understand how shitty journalism and sensationalized media coverage of the shooters could be partly responsible for inciting more mass shootings, or why someone would commit a crime in order to be famous, it's not going to lead anywhere.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2017, 12:35:31 PM »
I think accusing Manolo of 'worshiping censorship' is a bit out of order. If I got it clear he's talking about giving them the same treatment as pitch invaders. That could actually be an interesting point of view but it would definitely be tough to apply it to a complete different and gnarlier field.
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2017, 12:56:49 PM »
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Well you've made a decent start to a 15 year olds livejournal post so I'm sure you'll come to some pretty sound conclusions. Please open with how "guidelines for journalists" is different than censorship. That should be enough to make smoke come out of your ears.

And look I know you're trying to sound smart, like 16 year old "can't we all get along?" smart, and be poetic about remembering victims not the perpetrator blahblahblah, but think about reality and the practical application of your dumb idea. Guidelines for journalists? Get the fuck out of here. You're talking about censorship and if you can't see that then good thing people like your skate videos because hoo boy.
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Just saw your edit of that post..wow you're little profiling is absolutely spot on congratulations. I am truly romantic and also a big supporter of censorship, i hate freedom of speech, so much. Good thing you had your little flag ready to wave. I would like to invite you to re read the definition of guidelines and censorship but since you don't seem to even be able to understand how shitty journalism and sensationalized media coverage of the shooters could be partly responsible for inciting more mass shootings, or why someone would commit a crime in order to be famous, it's not going to lead anywhere.

The edit was about 40 seconds after the original post. Calm down.

Now for the very last time that you still won't understand: The LITERAL definition of censorship is: "the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security."

How in your head is "guidelines for journalists" not exactly that definition? If you tell them they can't report on the perpetrator, what are the other rules for reporting? Do you think it will just be that one? Who decides? Clearly some group of altruistic ambivalent good guys (that doesn't fucking exist anywhere) right? You must live in a pretty naive world where that works, because I live in one where a psychopath can shoot 600 people in a few minutes.

Sensationalist media and obsessive culture and all that was only ever mentioned by you. Go re-read it if you can. My issue was how you think "guidelines" aren't censorship when they clearly are. The other issue was how you're too dumb to realize it.

Having said all that I don't care if you agree, understand, or burst into flames.

I think accusing Manolo of 'worshiping censorship' is a bit out of order. If I got it clear he's talking about giving them the same treatment as pitch invaders. That could actually be an interesting point of view but it would definitely be tough to apply it to a complete different and gnarlier field.

1. I never said that.

2. That tough application is strict censorship and control of the media. How do people not see that?

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2017, 02:59:18 PM »
Guideline: a general rule, principle, or piece of advice.

This is exactly what i mean by guideline for journalists:

https://www.poynter.org/news/best-practices-covering-mass-shootings

Up to the press to use it, it would be their decision.

No enforcement, no CENSORSHIP, just common sense and logic. But nowaday it's a lot to ask.

It's been 5 days and that piece of shit is already a celebrity:

Google: 26,600,000 results

Youtube: 31400 results

wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Paddock










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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2017, 04:57:39 AM »
I don't care that they identified the guy so much as now Tom Petty's death will be a side note to this asshole every year from now on...
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2017, 08:48:46 AM »
my take on it? you guys are fucked for life.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2017, 11:27:42 AM »
Correlating media coverage to the motives of mass shooting perpetrators would be an interesting thesis topic. My only question for you Manolo is, if the news and media are now worldwide things, why are these shootings only really happening in the U.S.?
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #72 on: October 09, 2017, 07:53:25 AM »
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #73 on: October 09, 2017, 08:22:36 AM »
can we talk about john beilman or are you guys still stuck
What kind of mikey taylor logic is this?

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #74 on: October 09, 2017, 09:41:01 AM »
Wow....that last photo. Didn't see that coming.
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2017, 10:09:39 AM »
can we talk about john beilman or are you guys still stuck



had to look him up, but i got a related video to this. i know that john is probably the most common american name, but seeing the anonymous 4 chan tip, then finding out that the FBI raided this dudes house recently is a little interesting.

other than that, the only involvement i could find linking him to the vegas shooting was that stephen paddock had a special type of phone charger in his room that supposedly only government agencies have access to, and john beilman was the engineer who designed that charger.

i dont know what to think about all this. i usually hate conspiracies, but the motive for the vegas thing being that the assholes who own the security scanner company planning this so they can make billions seems pretty believable.

im going to vegas next week for work and im a little nervous.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2017, 03:01:59 PM »
There are a bunch of conspiracy posts popping up in my Facebook feed and I think it's all pretty stupid.

That said, it would be nice if they could release some footage of the guy bringing shit to his hotel room from the most surveilled place on earth.

If you want a crackpot theory: North Korea made good on pledge to cause some pain and our intelligence services are hiding it from Trump so he doesn't start WWIII and cause far more American deaths.

But yeah, I think it was just some asshole.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2017, 03:12:30 PM »
there is that video of flashes from the 4th floor that coincide w/ bullet reports. idk about guns, would it be hard to shoot down from 320 feet up? or were people nut to butt and you had to hit something?
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2017, 04:01:19 PM »
Those photos are fucking gnarly, dude had an arsenal

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2017, 05:45:10 PM »
there is that video of flashes from the 4th floor that coincide w/ bullet reports. idk about guns, would it be hard to shoot down from 320 feet up? or were people nut to butt and you had to hit something?
brink, can we get the whole story?


I think there were so many targets and everybody was so close together it was hard to miss. Plus you are shooting from up high so you're more likely to hit heads and upper bodies and get more critical hits.

Height of shooter doesn't matter, you'd only need to calculate the bullet drop based on horizontal distance (and the calculations are usually written on the ammo box). I don't know how far exactly it was but it's around a 3' drop at 500 yards for .223.

Also, some number of casualties were likely the result of the crowd, although I'm sure authorities won't like talking about that because it feels like blaming the victims.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2017, 06:28:11 PM »
Media should use that last picture of him instead of the one where he's laughing.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2017, 05:08:22 PM »
my theory on this guy's motive: he made a bunch of money - millions - and then retired. once retired, he was pretty bored and took up gambling for some excitement, because he didn't have much else going on in his life, no sense of identity outside of his working life. he ended up becoming a problem gambler. some news report I saw said he lost a million dollars in one day. he couldn't stop gambling until he had maybe about $100,000, which is the amount he sent his girlfriend in the philippines. if you've ever known problem gamblers, they have weird anger issues and shift blame onto other people for their situations. he decided he would take his anger out on vegas and the casinos and random people for being a fuck-up.

I could be totally wrong but that's my take on this.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2017, 05:39:48 PM »
ya that sounds nice chuck but no you way off bud
What kind of mikey taylor logic is this?

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2017, 06:31:34 PM »
There are a bunch of conspiracy posts popping up in my Facebook feed and I think it's all pretty stupid.

That said, it would be nice if they could release some footage of the guy bringing shit to his hotel room from the most surveilled place on earth.

If you want a crackpot theory: North Korea made good on pledge to cause some pain and our intelligence services are hiding it from Trump so he doesn't start WWIII and cause far more American deaths.

But yeah, I think it was just some asshole.

It’s scary that in this day and age that doesn’t seem remotely insane. With all this searching for a motive talk that almost seems more reasonable.

Also are those photos legit and released to public or were they leaked?
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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2017, 06:37:49 PM »
I suspect Kony was behind this.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2017, 02:14:27 PM »
there is that video of flashes from the 4th floor that coincide w/ bullet reports. idk about guns, would it be hard to shoot down from 320 feet up? or were people nut to butt and you had to hit something?
brink, can we get the whole story?
I shoot rifles on a fairly regular basis. My rifle is based around the same concept of the AR-15 which was used. In general, the effective range of a 5.56/.223 (same caliber, just the military spec and civilian spec) is 400m. That means that a soldier is able to hit a human sized target at 400m. Let's say that the actual distance from the 32nd floor and into the crowd was ~600m, then most average shooters might miss- but you're aiming at 20000+ people or something so the target size is HUGE and you have to be a blind person not to hit anything.
I was surprised that so few people were killed considering the amount of rounds fired. I did however read somewhere that he also fired at some gas/fuel tanks at the airport, but I can't be bothered to dig it up.

tl;dr: it's easy.

as for footage and all of that; this is an active investigation. they'll most likely release a lot more info once they have at least tried to puzzle together everything that have happened. all these guys that claim 5+ shooters including shooters in the crowd must be smoking crack because there is no way a team of 5+ would kill that few people.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2017, 06:25:36 PM »
7:12

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2017, 06:57:48 PM »
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/12/why-las-vegas-shooter-did-it-215699

Found this article really interesting, and pretty relevant to a lot of the discourse in this thread.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2017, 08:46:43 AM »


Truth be told, America is pretty safe.

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Re: Vegas Shooting
« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2017, 10:04:13 AM »
The people that are fighting for gun control are not just saying ban all guns. There is just no need for assault rifles. Keep you rifles, shotguns, pistols but there is no valid argument for owning a gun that can kill 50+ and injuring 400+ in less than 15 minutes except its your right.