Bam got a DUI

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I thought everyone loved AA on here

[KingKook]

I thought everyone loved AA on here

Poke your head into an AA meeting sometime.
If you see a room full of successful people who can support you and help you through your hard times with experience and understanding maybe it's for you.

[SOTY]

LSD 'helps alcoholics to give up drinking'
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17297714

[bawtawd5]

Snort kratom help addiction with trans porn . Neural pathway brain elastics and shaman in Peru . Joe Rogan know.

[KingKook]

Snort kratom help addiction with trans porn . Neural pathway brain elastics and shaman in Peru . Joe Rogan know.

A good psychedelic trip can do wonders. I've never tried Ayahuasca, but have had plenty of eye opening trips on mushrooms and lsd.  This is supposed to be pretty life changing shit.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pgkd8m/ayahuasca-a-possible-cure-for-alcoholism-and-depression

[bawtawd5]

[Grind King Rims]

I thought everyone loved AA on here

Especially after Hockey III right? I see you skizzy.

[givecigstosurfgroms]

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    AA is weak af but I also disagree with the 'underlying issues' thing too.  That's just more bs.

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So, what do you agree with?

   What are my options?  I find that life is complicated and subtle.  Unfortunately for people who want to sell shit and make money or get notoriety  'complicated and subtle' won't hold the consumer's attention.  That's why the bullshit movements get all the traction.

[heliocentric bananas]

Every time i see AA my brain defaults to Andrew Allen and I was stoked that people were discussing him in such depth. Talk about a let down once I remembered we were talking bout booze

[Buck Russell]

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I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?

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Two doctors started the program in the early 1900s

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57983/9-terrifying-medical-treatments-1900-and-their-safer-modern-versions

i'm surprised and impressed by all the pressure against aa here. it is nothing more than an allegory for christianity. that's the long and short.

for some people christianity is a good gig and most non-christians are fine with that. the problem is these organizations need to scream that their way is right for everyone to convince the kool-aid sippers.

physical addiction is obviously a thing with strongly manifesting physical symptoms. i don't know if there's a good argument otherwise. the problem comes in with the lifetime "disease" argument which is disgustingly false and stops people from actually improving their life by seeking medical or mental help (most cases) and instead traps them in church basements.

if you're happing going to bible study 3-5 days a week, keep it up but keep it in the circus.

[iKobrakai]

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I think what mattdookie is trying to say is that alcoholism isn't the disease but more of a symptom of some deeper mental issue. It's kinda like saying that someone who has untreated diabetes has an urination disease. While excessive urination is a symptom of untreated diabetes, it is not the disease.

I personally don't like lumping mental issues with other diseases. It doesn't mean that they can't be as crippling or hard to deal with. Most times they're actually much harder to deal with. I personally excel at procrastination and avoiding things. I don't think it's a disease though. They are just symptoms of deeper mental issues I have. Stuff that I can work on. Not stuff that should be treated. Personally I like to get to the root of things and try to solve the situation there, but other methods can be just as effective, even if they're not the solution for the exact issue.

Believing in Jesus might help some people get sober. Does that mean that believing in Jesus is a cure for a disease called alcoholism? No, I don't think so.

I haven't looked very deeply into AA, but how have they come up with their program? Is it based on science or is it just some stuff someone came up with that at least seems to work better than nothing?

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Two doctors started the program in the early 1900s

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http://mentalfloss.com/article/57983/9-terrifying-medical-treatments-1900-and-their-safer-modern-versions

i'm surprised and impressed by all the pressure against aa here. it is nothing more than an allegory for christianity. that's the long and short.

for some people christianity is a good gig and most non-christians are fine with that. the problem is these organizations need to scream that their way is right for everyone to convince the kool-aid sippers.

physical addiction is obviously a thing with strongly manifesting physical symptoms. i don't know if there's a good argument otherwise. the problem comes in with the lifetime "disease" argument which is disgustingly false and stops people from actually improving their life by seeking medical or mental help (most cases) and instead traps them in church basements.

if you're happing going to bible study 3-5 days a week, keep it up but keep it in the circus.

Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.

[Buck Russell]

Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.

"satan put the dinosaur bones there to trick you." "the bible says homosexuality is a sin" blah, blah..

at the end of the day its christianity. meeting structure is identical to church service. the whole belief system is the same. it's just like someone went through and did a "find and replace" to change the words up a little.

people want to be religious that's great, i'm happy it works for you but you'll never accept any outside logic and continue to quote your own deeply flawed texts as authoritative sources. you're still not accepting wikipedia and we're supposed to be fine with your version of Dianetics?

[iKobrakai]

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Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.

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"satan put the dinosaur bones there to trick you." "the bible says homosexuality is a sin" blah, blah..

at the end of the day its christianity. meeting structure is identical to church service. the whole belief system is the same. it's just like someone went through and did a "find and replace" to change the words up a little.

people want to be religious that's great, i'm happy it works for you but you'll never accept any outside logic and continue to quote your own deeply flawed texts as authoritative sources. you're still not accepting wikipedia and we're supposed to be fine with your version of Dianetics?

Despite the fact that you have no idea what you're talkng about, yes, there are many elements of Christianity in early stages of AA and the litterature. However, if you can have an IQ of 90 or more, you can easily simply overcome that. That is pretty bad news for many people in this thread...

[tobey]

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Wrong. The Big Book clearly states that we should seek medical and psychological help from professionals.

Also it states that the program itself is just a suggestion, not be all, end all.

I get the feeling that many of you are talking out of your asses, never read the text or just been to a meeting or two and listened to some idiots.

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"satan put the dinosaur bones there to trick you." "the bible says homosexuality is a sin" blah, blah..

at the end of the day its christianity. meeting structure is identical to church service. the whole belief system is the same. it's just like someone went through and did a "find and replace" to change the words up a little.

people want to be religious that's great, i'm happy it works for you but you'll never accept any outside logic and continue to quote your own deeply flawed texts as authoritative sources. you're still not accepting wikipedia and we're supposed to be fine with your version of Dianetics?

That's me who wouldn't accept wiki because why the fuck would anyone accept that when you are trying to state facts?

Also AA isn't that religious at all. Like i said before in the thread you don't have to believe in god to be in the program, you just have to admit that the universe doesn't revolve around you. Stop being an idiot and trying to have say in any of this when you clearly don't know anything about the program.

Only thing that AA is really related to the church is when they have meetings in the churches basement. You don't need to be in any religion to be in the program. Only rule is don't show up drunk   

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I AM GOD THE UNVERSE DOES REVOLVE AROUND ME AND IM DRUNK

[GAY]

I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.

[Buck Russell]

I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.

more snide cult talk. because the program didn't work for them, they "half-ass shit"?

[tobey]

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I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.

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more snide cult talk. because the program didn't work for them, they "half-ass shit"?

They half assed it because they didn't do the cult initiation, which is whoever has the most years sober gets blown by the new people coming in.

Like AA says, its a very simple program

[GAY]

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I always find it funny when people try to get sober in AA, half-ass shit, don't stay sober, and then say AA doesn't work.

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more snide cult talk. because the program didn't work for them, they "half-ass shit"?

LOL yes, the term "half-ass" is cult talk. I never said it's for everybody, but lots and lots of people half-ass shit. No need to take it personal, Uncle Buck.

[CRAILFISH TO REVERT]

I full-ass everything.

[Joclo]

I've gone to AA at least once a week for the last 18 months, and while I can't give the program all the credit, I haven't taken a pain pill in 18 months. I used to really love snorting those things too. Other than alcohol and mushrooms I've been sober for a year and a half. I'm still trying to find a goddess of my understanding though.

[tobey]

I've gone to AA at least once a week for the last 18 months, and while I can't give the program all the credit, I haven't taken a pain pill in 18 months. I used to really love snorting those things too. Other than alcohol and mushrooms I've been sober for a year and a half. I'm still trying to find a goddess of my understanding though.

Keep it going man. If it works for you (even a little bit) don't listen to other people on here who clearly never went. I'm over two years sober and I still haven't done all the steps. Don't dread about the steps(not the most important thing), just go, be around other people who you can relate to and just air shit out

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I full-ass everything.

post your base plates

[CRAILFISH TO REVERT]

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I full-ass everything.

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post your base plates

except for skateboarding.

[Salty Lame Ass Poosey]

AA is a scam-Jack Grisham TSOL

[Burt Ward]

AA is a scam-Jack Grisham TSOL

Yeah but Jack Grisham is a total piece of shit so, grain of salt.

[HisDudest]

What a jackass.

Too fuckin funny

[iKobrakai]

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I've gone to AA at least once a week for the last 18 months, and while I can't give the program all the credit, I haven't taken a pain pill in 18 months. I used to really love snorting those things too. Other than alcohol and mushrooms I've been sober for a year and a half. I'm still trying to find a goddess of my understanding though.

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Keep it going man. If it works for you (even a little bit) don't listen to other people on here who clearly never went. I'm over two years sober and I still haven't done all the steps. Don't dread about the steps(not the most important thing), just go, be around other people who you can relate to and just air shit out

See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.

[Buck Russell]

See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.

aa is nothing more than denial group therapy for narcissists and their victims. it has nothing to do with substance abuse, its causes or cures.

on its own its harmless but in a youth culture that glorifies drinking and drugs  (like skateboarding) it's so harmful because it presents itself as the only answer and creates the dichotomy of "us or them".

if you took the second "A" more seriously you dipshits would stick to your bible group and shut the fuck up. you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.

[iKobrakai]

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See, this is perfect example of different approaches in AA. In my opinion, the steps are most important. But again, do whatever works for you. There are tons of people who never did the steps and tons who did. Find what works for you.

In a cult, there is only one way, the way, to do things. In AA nobody gives a shit. Wanna donate? Fine. Don't want to? Fine. Work the steps? Sure. Combine with other forms of treatment? Go ahead. Relaps? Come back and try again. My group allows drunk people to attend, they are asked to listen. Go to meetings every day or don't show up at all, nobody cares.

People bashing AA are not posting any ground breaking studies, they fail to understand the structure and how it really works. Kind of like the people who bash yoga, they have no clue.

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aa is nothing more than denial group therapy for narcissists and their victims. it has nothing to do with substance abuse, its causes or cures.

on its own its harmless but in a youth culture that glorifies drinking and drugs  (like skateboarding) it's so harmful because it presents itself as the only answer and creates the dichotomy of "us or them".

if you took the second "A" more seriously you dipshits would stick to your bible group and shut the fuck up. you are toxic, terrible people who never stood a chance anyway. do us all a favor: relapse and od.

I'm a terrible person, I know that. What I don't know is the reason you're having a psychotic meltdown.