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It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« on: June 01, 2018, 11:07:13 PM »
Stage 9s were the last stage to have USA cast on the baseplate:


Stage 11s removed the "USA" casting in the baseplate started to introduce non-USA parts in the mix, as you can see on the barcode sticker:


Then they removed that MFG IN USA FROM US & IMPORTED PARTS from the barcode altogether:


And now they've printed Made in China on the truck hang tags:

As you can see here on the back:


I just got a set of the newest Indys with the hangtag, and the casting finish definitely looks different than MFG IN USA FROM US & IMPORTED PARTS Indys. You can kind of see the difference it in the pictures. Not necessarily better or worse, just different.
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made overseas
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2018, 11:28:35 PM »
sternum trucks, fuck the chest!!!

I heard it today, "make money, buy sandwiches".

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made overseas
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2018, 11:34:01 PM »
Don't worry, with the new tarifs theyll be US made again in no time!

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made overseas
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 11:34:18 PM »
My Jason Jesse barcode says made in Germany.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made overseas
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 11:59:28 PM »
Indy has a very USA-esque appeal to it. Kinda funny they are made completely in China now. Should change it from 'Ride The Best Fuck The Rest to' , 'Made in China for Nazi Mangina'. I will prob keep skating indy's.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2018, 02:54:56 AM »
now they can justify any future use of chinese swastikas.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2018, 03:20:13 AM »
Konichiwa bitches

If you like the geometry ride em, I don't

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2018, 04:23:48 AM »
The quality has been shit for years now.
last 4 pairs i had bent, axle slipped or ripped the pivot cup resulting a worn down hanger and a shitty truck. i love how they work when they do work, but the quality is not good.
for the record, i weigh 58Kg and skate ledges, flatground and manual pads and never break boards.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2018, 05:37:43 AM »
The quality has been shit for years now.
last 4 pairs i had bent, axle slipped or ripped the pivot cup resulting a worn down hanger and a shitty truck. i love how they work when they do work, but the quality is not good.
for the record, i weigh 58Kg and skate ledges, flatground and manual pads and never break boards.
I weight 20kgís more than you and never managed to break them after that stage 9..Or for the record I canít remember last time someone broke their truck unless theyíre aces, those things break easily it seems. Guess you just been having bad luck with them.
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2018, 05:59:44 AM »
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The quality has been shit for years now.
last 4 pairs i had bent, axle slipped or ripped the pivot cup resulting a worn down hanger and a shitty truck. i love how they work when they do work, but the quality is not good.
for the record, i weigh 58Kg and skate ledges, flatground and manual pads and never break boards.
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I weight 20kgís more than you and never managed to break them after that stage 9..Or for the record I canít remember last time someone broke their truck unless theyíre aces, those things break easily it seems. Guess you just been having bad luck with them.
I think its more than bad luck, ive been riding indys for about a decade straight and first pair i had was a stage 8 when i was a kid, but stage 11 feel like they werent designed to be 129s or something.
 thats the only way i can explain having such bad luck with 11s when my friends never seem to have significant problems. each and every pair of 11s i had has malfunctioned in a different way. all of them had bad pivot cups though. never had pivot cup problems before stage 11 129s
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2018, 06:21:07 AM »
Did they also change the plastic they were making the bushings out of a few years back? I swear they did, they feel a lot cheaper now and i've split a bunch of em in half in the past few years. I'd ride something else, but not even sure what to get after riding nothing but Indys for like 20 years.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2018, 06:25:19 AM »
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2018, 06:37:01 AM »
I wonder if thunder will go as well?

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2018, 06:53:56 AM »
Stage 9s were the last stage to have USA cast on the baseplate:


I have two Stage 10 lying at home with USA cast on the baseplate

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2018, 08:15:27 AM »
Did they also change the plastic they were making the bushings out of a few years back? I swear they did, they feel a lot cheaper now and i've split a bunch of em in half in the past few years. I'd ride something else, but not even sure what to get after riding nothing but Indys for like 20 years.

the stock bushings are absolute shit. they pretty much force you to buy aftermarkets.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2018, 08:27:52 AM »
Konichiwa bitches

If you like the geometry ride em, I don't
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2018, 09:12:48 AM »
I just keep skating my stage 8 and 9's. I love the feeling of the disintegrating bushings
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2018, 09:26:38 AM »
Why would trucks made in a country that specializes in making stuff be worse than trucks made in a dilapidated warehouse in the most gentrified city in the USA?

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2018, 09:55:58 AM »
true china is indeed known for their manufacturing quality and not for making things cheaper than slaves

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2018, 10:40:45 AM »
Why would trucks made in a country that specializes in making stuff be worse than trucks made in a dilapidated warehouse in the most gentrified city in the USA?


Absolutely idiotic. Why not give Americans jobs? Why sell out every single thing here and give another nation a strong middle class. Itís disgusting. And the racist debate doesnít work because when I was at ermico I saw a lot of Hispanics and Iíd rather give them money which goes into our economy in numerous ways than make China richer. Fuck that. If thunder stays in SF Iíll switch overnight and never look back.

Thereís going to be room for a made in USA truck and whoever takes that position will get a lot of runoff from Indy.


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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2018, 11:09:39 AM »
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Why would trucks made in a country that specializes in making stuff be worse than trucks made in a dilapidated warehouse in the most gentrified city in the USA?
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Absolutely idiotic. Why not give Americans jobs? Why sell out every single thing here and give another nation a strong middle class. Itís disgusting. And the racist debate doesnít work because when I was at ermico I saw a lot of Hispanics and Iíd rather give them money which goes into our economy in numerous ways than make China richer. Fuck that. If thunder stays in SF Iíll switch overnight and never look back.

Thereís going to be room for a made in USA truck and whoever takes that position will get a lot of runoff from Indy.

The USA sold out small manufacturing generations ago. We're so far removed from a middle class manufacturing economy that at this point the biggest problem for a small manufacturer is finding people who can, and want to do the work. If someone figured out a robotic truck foundry that would work in the USA. However it is going to be china inventing the truck making robots, so all that equipment will be bought from China.  Furthermore China, via trading proxies in Singapore has all but cornered the aluminum market. Anyone making a truck here has to buy the raw materials from a Chinese concern anyway.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2018, 11:52:14 AM »
Stage 9ís were not the last trucks to say USA on the bottom. In fact, Stage 11ís still said USA for awhile before they started sourcing everything besides the hangers and baseplates from China. Thatís when the USA stamp disappeared by law.

There are plenty of truck companies that pour their aluminum in China. Theeve, Ace, Krux, others Iím forgetting at the moment. To be honest, the new casting on those all-China Indyís looks much better. Their trucks have looked sloppy for many years, including Thunders since both are...were poured at Ermico along with Venture. China trucks have always seemed to have a very smooth neat casting to them compared to USA ones.

Iím riding the newest design Aceís with no top bushings and two top washers instead, and have been beating the hell out of them and theyíre perfectly fine. I think the whole China aluminum is inferior mentality is exaggerated. While I agree anything USA made is what we should be supporting, the sad fact is Tracker is the only company making 100% USA made trucks in 2018. And no one rides them for a reason, they turn slower than Indyís already shitty turn.

Long live Stage 7-8 Indyís. They weighed a ton of bricks but they had a great geometry. Use eBay and youíll still find some sets. Otherwise, Ace. 

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2018, 12:30:36 PM »
Between this and anti heroís collabs with Nike and supreme you gnar heads are having a real crisis arenít you?

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2018, 03:00:40 PM »
Between this and anti heroís collabs with Nike and supreme you gnar heads are having a real crisis arenít you?

i am a fan of anti hero and i currently still ride indy, but i dig the schadenfreude. everyone who thought all these "core" companies wouldn't do what any company does to sell more is naive. i'm down for switching things up, was thinking about ordering a set of aces online or just try out a current pair of ventures. do ventures still feel that tight? the last pair i had was from around 2000 but i remember i wanted to ride looser, couldn't get'em to and then bought monster trucks(pretty much destructos with a angry face) and then rode thunder until 2005/6.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2018, 05:24:35 PM »
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Why would trucks made in a country that specializes in making stuff be worse than trucks made in a dilapidated warehouse in the most gentrified city in the USA?
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Absolutely idiotic. Why not give Americans jobs? Why sell out every single thing here and give another nation a strong middle class. Itís disgusting. And the racist debate doesnít work because when I was at ermico I saw a lot of Hispanics and Iíd rather give them money which goes into our economy in numerous ways than make China richer. Fuck that. If thunder stays in SF Iíll switch overnight and never look back.

Thereís going to be room for a made in USA truck and whoever takes that position will get a lot of runoff from Indy.
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The USA sold out small manufacturing generations ago. We're so far removed from a middle class manufacturing economy that at this point the biggest problem for a small manufacturer is finding people who can, and want to do the work. If someone figured out a robotic truck foundry that would work in the USA. However it is going to be china inventing the truck making robots, so all that equipment will be bought from China.  Furthermore China, via trading proxies in Singapore has all but cornered the aluminum market. Anyone making a truck here has to buy the raw materials from a Chinese concern anyway.

And they will have to pay a 25% tariff on said Aluminium. Trumps trade war is going to hit skaters right in the back pocket.

Be interested to know if the tariff extends manufactured goods as well as raw materials.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2018, 06:07:01 PM »
maybe the factory workers attempted to unionize again:

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the following article was in the San Francisco Chronicle March 18th,
1987. It was reprinted in whole.

*Unusual Strike By Immigrants at S.F. Factory*

        A walkout by Salvadoran immigrants at a San Francisco
skateboard-parts factory provides a glimpse of organizing efforts in
the Bay Area's growing population of young Latino workers.

        The 20 nonunion employees of Ermico Enterprises Inc. are on strike
for higher pay, better working conditions and union recognition.

        Newly arrived, timid immigrants tend to remain silent about working
conditions that would provoke longtime residents. But two weeks ago,
20 of the 40 laborers at Ermico decided to walk off their jobs because
they felt that management was thwarting their attempt to form a
union. The other 20 are still working.

        The strike came at a time when the workers, most of them
Salvadoran men in their 20s, were scheduled to vote in a secret
ballot election on whether to join Molders and Allied Workers Union
Local 164, which represents most Bay Area foundry employees.

        Nelson Moran, 20, sat on the stump of a telephone pole as a trash
can fire warmed him and three other young strikers outside the gates
of the Hunters Point industrial park that contains the Ermico plant.

        A police van was parked nearby. Nine strikers were arrested last
week for blocking access to the factory.

        Checking of his list of grievances, Moran said there is no
ventilation
in a 20-by-40-foot area of the plant where workers grind aluminum
castings for skateboard wheels assemblies.

        The only bathroom has no hot water, he said. Workers whose hands
are hot from handling molten metal sometimes get painful cramps
when washing with cold water, he said.

        Workers sometimes get nauseated from breathing fumes from
lubricants used to cool drills and grinding machines, one young
unidentified laborer said. "You start feeling bad, sleepy, things like
that," he said.

        David Bacon, and organizer for the molders' union, called the
conditions in the plant "primitive."

        Newly hired workers earn $4.25 an hour at Ermico, according to
strikers. But workers in union foundries in the Bay Area start at $8
to $10 an hour.

        "The salary is too low," said Moran, who emigrated four years ago
from his native Salvadoran farming town to the United States. "They
don't pay vacations, holidays. We don't have good insurance."

        Management referred all questions to an attorney, James Meath of
Richmond, Va. Meath said that he is unaware of conditions in the plant
and cannot respond to any of the grievances.

        "Our position is that we're going to run our business," he said.

        Moran, who lives with his mother and brothers in San Bruno, laughed
when asked whether he feared that the U.S. Immigration and
Naturalization Service would come to check the striker's documents.

        "I don't care if the people don't have papers," another striker said.
"No more exploitation." The metal-casting industry depends on
immigrants and eventually will listen to their demands, this worker
believes.

        Ignacio de la Fuente, business manager for the molders' union,
predicted that the strike will influence other immigrants who enter
the Bay Area economy through low-paying factory and service jobs.

        Economists have said job actions among unskilled Latino immigrants
may become more common under the new immigration law. Illegal
aliens who have lived in the United States continuously since Jan. 1,
1982 may be eligible to become temporary residents under the new
law.

        Meanwhile, the union organizing effort is tied up at the National
Labor Relations Board.

        The molders' union is charging that management refused to attend a
meeting a month ago, when the NLRB was to set a date for the
secret-ballot election. The union also claims that four laborers active
in organizing were fired two days after the meeting.

        Management has responded with charges of intimidation by the union.
The company says the four workers were let go because of a business
slowdown.

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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2018, 06:14:48 PM »
Ha, that's interesting.

I found this from 2017

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Since  1987,  there has not been an instance of labor unrest  at Ermico Enterprises. The  company  is proud to offer  entry level manufacturing jobs to immigrants, and management considers its  employees to be family. Ermico Enterprises supports labor unions and is proud of its history  with the labor movement  Ė a critical and colorful  part of the companyís  legacy in San Francisco.

https://sfosb.org/sites/default/files/Legacy%20Business/SBC%20Hearings/Item%203e.%20LBR-2016-17-033%20Ermico%20Enterprises.pdf
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2018, 06:37:24 PM »
I'm sitting on a set of stage 11 forged hollows I got direct from NHS two weeks ago and they have this on the hangtag: "MFG IN USA from US and imported parts".  Not sure this adds anything to the discussion just thought I'd share.
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2018, 08:40:16 PM »
I thought it was really shitty when Emerica recently had their 'Made in Emerica' marketing campaign slogan when all their shoes and other soft goods are realistically made in China.
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Re: It's official: Indy now 100% made in China
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2018, 09:48:55 PM »
The next round of gentrification is after all the rich people move to mars with Elon Musk, ďour business must remain competitiveĒ American business owners will just willfully sell their livelihoods to highest bidder, completely migrating to legal sweatshops owned by rich foreign people, anyone not going quietly into the night will be jailed in private prisons and have to do the same shit just for even meeker wages.

I heard London is already 100% owned by people who donít live there