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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: SneakySecrets on June 21, 2023, 10:22:27 AM
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Your thoughts on his campaign?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSivRo8rYGA
nah check this out instead
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https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/1183456911/justice-alito-propublica-singer (https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/1183456911/justice-alito-propublica-singer)
i think the state of the oligarchy and its supreme court have more heft
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With his antivax bullshit and Qanon's weird obsession with JFK, I feel like he'd have better luck running as a Republican?
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Just putting my ear to the ground here
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Just putting my ear to the ground here
What do you think about him?
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I like him so far. He's almost like another Trump figure in the way that he's appealing to disgruntled people on both sides.
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Just putting my ear to the ground here
What do you think about him?
His voice is an acquired taste, but immaculate hair.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
Megyn Kelly understands nuance? Care to share that nuance cause I'm not watching an interview with her.
As far as I know, he's linked vaccines with autism and thinks the COVID-19 vaccine has harmed people. He's against supporting Ukraine.
I don't think he's any special. Being president is a lot more than just having the right "take" on issues, like cutting the military budget and reinvesting it. He's just a guy to support that has no chance to win so you can remain being a malcontent about whomever actually wins.
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Just putting my ear to the ground here
What do you think about him?
His voice is an acquired taste, but immaculate hair.
Sounds like you have him sussed!
And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines.
This is 1:1 an antivax position. As if there are people who are pro unsafe vaccines. Vaccines go through rigorous testing. All vaccines have possible side effects, yet the benefits outweigh the risk of said side effects or the disease they're meant to combat. This is also true for most prescription drugs.
This guy seems to be very invested in a bunch of conspiracy theories and fringe beliefs. I'm guessing that without his name he'd be just another anonymous crank on Twitter.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
Very, very strong argument
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He's on that "Smart guy for stupid people" type beat.
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I like him so far. He's almost like another Trump figure in the way that he's appealing to disgruntled people on both sides.
Yes, it's great to have sociopaths riling up the most angry and ignorant members of society.
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trump was cool cause he gave us $1800, yang was cool cause tried to run on free monthly payements, all these other people can suck my dick. there is no use or need for a president in my personal life.
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trump was cool cause he gave us $1800, yang was cool cause tried to run on free monthly payements, all these other people can suck my dick. there is no use or need for a president in my personal life.
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but seriously if money isnt the biggest issue facing your life your pretty lucky. i dont even see a point to politics anymore, all the laws are there to protect people, what more laws or policies do you want? everything is a fair playingfield now. we need to just move on and focus solely on economics so we actually improve our lives.
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but seriously if money isnt the biggest issue facing your life your pretty lucky. i dont even see a point to politics anymore, all the laws are there to protect people, what more laws or policies do you want? everything is a fair playingfield now. we need to just move on and focus solely on economics so we actually improve our lives.
are you doing a parody of a stupid straight white man?
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but seriously if money isnt the biggest issue facing your life your pretty lucky. i dont even see a point to politics anymore, all the laws are there to protect people, what more laws or policies do you want? everything is a fair playingfield now. we need to just move on and focus solely on economics so we actually improve our lives.
This is the most straight, middle-class white guy thing I've ever read in my life.
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am i wrong?
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You're not really a disruptor in American politics until you really start talking about regulating corporations that continue to fuck over the working class, and not just vague soundbites that make it seem like you might . RFK Jr. touts himself as an "anti-establishment" candidate, but he's the same as the rest of the establishment Liberals and Republicans just with a tinge of conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo. At the end of the day he will get in line and still side with the ruling class just like any other politician. The "establishment" doesn't fear him as a legitimate threat, because they know he's a quack. He's simply there for chaos.. Basically another Tulsi Gabbard with no chance of winning anything.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
What do you even get out of saying this? Does it make you feel better about yourself to personally insult anonymous people on the internet instead of addressing what they actually said?
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am i wrong?
Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
You could also
like tell them that some older skater who just got out of jail is looking for them or some shit
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I find that if I nod supportively and smile at the conspiracy whacko at the skatepark, he leaves me alone eventually.
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, and rightfully so. I don't have time to argue with every kook on the internet.
There's this weird trait that seems especially prevalent in right-wingers and conspiracy theorists where they think everyone owes them a debate. Nobody owes you a debate.
If you go onto a public forum and says some dumb shit, people have a right to say "shut up, dumbass" without dropping what they're doing to argue with a stranger.
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, and rightfully so. I don't have time to argue with every kook on the internet.
There's this weird trait that seems especially prevalent in right-wingers and conspiracy theorists where they think everyone owes them a debate. Nobody owes you a debate.
If you go onto a public forum and says some dumb shit, people have a right to say "shut up, dumbass" without dropping what they're doing to argue with a stranger.
Why even bother engaging with it at all if you don't want to debate? Just ignore it instead of having to insult anyone
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
like tell them that some older skater who just got out of jail is looking for them or some shit
Lol, epic roast. Gnared.
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, and rightfully so. I don't have time to argue with every kook on the internet.
There's this weird trait that seems especially prevalent in right-wingers and conspiracy theorists where they think everyone owes them a debate. Nobody owes you a debate.
If you go onto a public forum and says some dumb shit, people have a right to say "shut up, dumbass" without dropping what they're doing to argue with a stranger.
Why even bother engaging with it at all if you don't want to debate? Just ignore it instead of having to insult anyone
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
like tell them that some older skater who just got out of jail is looking for them or some shit
Lol, epic roast. Gnared.
i know you like to pretend the kook sytem doesnt bother you, but you always post about, so it has to bother you, you should just be honest bro
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, and rightfully so. I don't have time to argue with every kook on the internet.
There's this weird trait that seems especially prevalent in right-wingers and conspiracy theorists where they think everyone owes them a debate. Nobody owes you a debate.
If you go onto a public forum and says some dumb shit, people have a right to say "shut up, dumbass" without dropping what they're doing to argue with a stranger.
Why even bother engaging with it at all if you don't want to debate? Just ignore it instead of having to insult anyone
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
like tell them that some older skater who just got out of jail is looking for them or some shit
Lol, epic roast. Gnared.
Why do you think that I'm pretending it doesn't bother me? I think the kook/gnar system is wack as fuck but I'm not here to beg for a higher rep or anything.
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, and rightfully so. I don't have time to argue with every kook on the internet.
There's this weird trait that seems especially prevalent in right-wingers and conspiracy theorists where they think everyone owes them a debate. Nobody owes you a debate.
If you go onto a public forum and says some dumb shit, people have a right to say "shut up, dumbass" without dropping what they're doing to argue with a stranger.
Why even bother engaging with it at all if you don't want to debate? Just ignore it instead of having to insult anyone
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Arguing honestly with you would take too much of my precious energy so instead I'm just going to Kook you and maybe insult you in a snide fashion (hopefully gaining Gnars from my fellow pals in the process)
like tell them that some older skater who just got out of jail is looking for them or some shit
Lol, epic roast. Gnared.
Why do you think that I'm pretending it doesn't bother me? I think the kook/gnar system is wack as fuck but I'm not here to beg for a higher rep or anything.
-1 kooked
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am i wrong?
I guess just to go off of “everything is a fair playing field now”…in what way is that close to being true?
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I think the kook/gnar system is wack as fuck but I'm not here to beg for a higher rep or anything.
Yeah that would be wack as hell if anyone did that.
This thread is kinda funny, really don’t like this nepo baby dweeb but at least he’s running Dem so will lose in the primary, and won’t forseeably split the vote and create a “bad” outcome.
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I guess just to go off of “everything is a fair playing field now”…in what way is that close to being true?
i didnt mean it like you think. aside from what situation your born into, everyone plays by the same laws and regulations and whether you think there fair or not theyre the same for everyone. were all protected and persecuted by the same rules.
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but are we doe :o
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And thx for the gnar mliw
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I guess just to go off of “everything is a fair playing field now”…in what way is that close to being true?
Can you give one example
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I am definitely here to beg for a higher rep.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CkKS7qALnrQ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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I guess just to go off of “everything is a fair playing field now”…in what way is that close to being true?
Can you give one example
wtf are you talking about... the laws dude
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I guess just to go off of “everything is a fair playing field now”…in what way is that close to being true?
Can you give one example
I mean, are you talking about we all have to obey the same speed limit or did you want to get into the racial implications behind the sentencing guidelines for identical amounts of cocaine and crack. Or how underfunding the IRS has allowed huge violators to go untargeted bc they only have the resources to go after small offenders.
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pretty nice bait u got there buddy
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pretty nice bait u got there buddy
Well, waiting for you to contribute something there buddy
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
KFC Sr.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
KFC Sr.
Haha, true.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
Why don’t you stop asking the questions and start providing some answers yourself buddy?
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Guy is a Russian shill, a spoiler candidate, and a kook piece of shit.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
What do you want to know?
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
Biden is fine enough for me for lack of actual younger options. I’m thinking I like Newsome for next election. Will be good to have someone form CA as POTUS who isn’t a total piece of shit
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
Ron paul
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858 billion in military spending this year.
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858 billion in military spending this year.
Welp don’t think anyone is going to change at any time soon no matter the candidate. It’s also a decision not made solely by the Executive Branch. Any reductions in the military budget are highly unlikely to go anywhere positive either.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
What do you want to know?
Your answers to the questions that you’ve asked.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
Ron paul
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Ron Paul stopped Cyberdyne?
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Dude seems like a huge kook. He did some good environmental stuff in past and his wife seems wayyyyy too good for him. Cheryl needs to move on to greener pastures.
https://www.vox.com/2024-presidential-election/2023/6/22/23768864/2024-election-rfk-jr-biden-democratic-primary
"since 2005, when he falsely claimed that some childhood vaccines had dangerous levels of mercury that could cause autism, despite the fact scientists had already proven that mercury levels in those vaccines were not harmful and did not lead to autism."
"He likened vaccine passports to the Holocaust"
"He claims that his father wasn’t killed by Sirhan Sirhan and has pushed for his release from prison, opposed by all but one of his seven siblings."
"He blames psychopharmaceuticals for mass shootings. And he says the CIA had a role in former President Kennedy’s assassination and that the agency could one day come after him."
"He’s received praise from right-wing figures including Alex Jones of Infowars, former Trump adviser Michael Flynn, and Turning Point USA head Charlie Kirk. And former Trump aides Steve Bannon and Roger Stone think he would make an ideal running mate for Trump."
Ron paul
Libertarianism is the ultimate vote for the status quo but worse. Do you love a highly unequal society? Do you want it to be more unequal? Do you hate the idea of workers having any power? Do you love the people who have power now and want them to have more power? Do you enjoy the powerful spreading misinformation to cloud important discussions that affect the entire human race? If so, please donate to Ron Paul or any local libertarian.
Libertarians we want make sure that the few have the ability to come into any negotiation with all the power and we don't hate people different than us, but we sure wish that they would just shut up.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
What do you want to know?
I already said what I think about him and my second question was posed towards people that came out against him. If you have any other questions, let me know.
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Dude seems like a huge kook. He did some good environmental stuff in past and his wife seems wayyyyy too good for him. Cheryl needs to move on to greener pastures.
https://www.vox.com/2024-presidential-election/2023/6/22/23768864/2024-election-rfk-jr-biden-democratic-primary
"since 2005, when he falsely claimed that some childhood vaccines had dangerous levels of mercury that could cause autism, despite the fact scientists had already proven that mercury levels in those vaccines were not harmful and did not lead to autism."
"He likened vaccine passports to the Holocaust"
"He claims that his father wasn’t killed by Sirhan Sirhan and has pushed for his release from prison, opposed by all but one of his seven siblings."
"He blames psychopharmaceuticals for mass shootings. And he says the CIA had a role in former President Kennedy’s assassination and that the agency could one day come after him."
"He’s received praise from right-wing figures including Alex Jones of Infowars, former Trump adviser Michael Flynn, and Turning Point USA head Charlie Kirk. And former Trump aides Steve Bannon and Roger Stone think he would make an ideal running mate for Trump."
Libertarianism is the ultimate vote for the status quo but worse. Do you love a highly unequal society? Do you want it to be more unequal? Do you hate the idea of workers having any power? Do you love the people who have power now and want them to have more power? Do you enjoy the powerful spreading misinformation to cloud important discussions that affect the entire human race? If so, please donate to Ron Paul or any local libertarian.
Libertarians we want make sure that the few have the ability to come into any negotiation with all the power and we don't hate people different than us, but we sure wish that they would just shut up.
Fuck this is a great post!
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Dude seems like a huge kook. He did some good environmental stuff in past and his wife seems wayyyyy too good for him. Cheryl needs to move on to greener pastures.
https://www.vox.com/2024-presidential-election/2023/6/22/23768864/2024-election-rfk-jr-biden-democratic-primary
"since 2005, when he falsely claimed that some childhood vaccines had dangerous levels of mercury that could cause autism, despite the fact scientists had already proven that mercury levels in those vaccines were not harmful and did not lead to autism."
"He likened vaccine passports to the Holocaust"
"He claims that his father wasn’t killed by Sirhan Sirhan and has pushed for his release from prison, opposed by all but one of his seven siblings."
"He blames psychopharmaceuticals for mass shootings. And he says the CIA had a role in former President Kennedy’s assassination and that the agency could one day come after him."
"He’s received praise from right-wing figures including Alex Jones of Infowars, former Trump adviser Michael Flynn, and Turning Point USA head Charlie Kirk. And former Trump aides Steve Bannon and Roger Stone think he would make an ideal running mate for Trump."
Libertarianism is the ultimate vote for the status quo but worse. Do you love a highly unequal society? Do you want it to be more unequal? Do you hate the idea of workers having any power? Do you love the people who have power now and want them to have more power? Do you enjoy the powerful spreading misinformation to cloud important discussions that affect the entire human race? If so, please donate to Ron Paul or any local libertarian.
Libertarians we want make sure that the few have the ability to come into any negotiation with all the power and we don't hate people different than us, but we sure wish that they would just shut up.
That's not necessarily true of all of them. The more classically liberal, communist, and socialist libertarians I know are good people, but Ron Paul and his ilk are just white dog shit Republicans.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
What do you want to know?
I already said what I think about him and my second question was posed towards people that came out against him. If you have any other questions, let me know.
Yet you’ve answered basically nothing. We get it, you’re into him and kind of ashamed, looking for validation. Just say so.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
What do you want to know?
I already said what I think about him and my second question was posed towards people that came out against him. If you have any other questions, let me know.
So what do you want to know? Ask a question, I’ll tell you. Sounds like you already have your mind made up.
A question ends in a “?”. That prompts the other person to answer.
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For everyone that doesn’t like RFK Jr., who is your preferred presidential candidate?
What do you want to know?
I already said what I think about him and my second question was posed towards people that came out against him. If you have any other questions, let me know.
You're a particularly obnoxious brand of dickweed. It took you like two days to say what we all knew you were going to.
You really got him though.
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Come get your man.
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Come get your man.
Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
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858 billion in military spending this year.
Welp don’t think anyone is going to change at any time soon no matter the candidate. It’s also a decision not made solely by the Executive Branch. Any reductions in the military budget are highly unlikely to go anywhere positive either.
ah. not voting it is then
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858 billion in military spending this year.
Welp don’t think anyone is going to change at any time soon no matter the candidate. It’s also a decision not made solely by the Executive Branch. Any reductions in the military budget are highly unlikely to go anywhere positive either.
ah. not voting it is then
You’re a one issue voter and that issue is reduction of the military budget?
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well, anything i actually want to achieve in this country is severely handicapped by the lack of resources available due to the insane military budget. and the military budget is insane due to our constant pilfering of the world for its resources thus necessitating bases all over the planet. so i guess yeah kinda.
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well, anything i actually want to achieve in this country is severely handicapped by the lack of resources available due to the insane military budget. and the military budget is insane due to our constant pilfering of the world for its resources thus necessitating bases all over the planet. so i guess yeah kinda.
RFK Jr wants to bring the troupes home so maybe he is your guy?
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well, anything i actually want to achieve in this country is severely handicapped by the lack of resources available due to the insane military budget. and the military budget is insane due to our constant pilfering of the world for its resources thus necessitating bases all over the planet. so i guess yeah kinda.
So putting aside what you personally want, why not consider the next best thing to benefit more people vs. lesser people?
Why does it have to be your way or the highway? Not everyone’s list of wishes or demands will be fulfilled 10/10.
Furthermore that excessive military spending (which is supremely wasteful, I agree) is actually helping Ukraine at the moment, so I personally have lesser issue with it in the now. We are essentially funding the downfall of a planetary threat and our enemy without putting boots on the ground.
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well, anything i actually want to achieve in this country is severely handicapped by the lack of resources available due to the insane military budget. and the military budget is insane due to our constant pilfering of the world for its resources thus necessitating bases all over the planet. so i guess yeah kinda.
So putting aside what you personally want, why not consider the next best thing to benefit more people vs. lesser people?
Why does it have to be your way or the highway? Not everyone’s list of wishes or demands will be fulfilled 10/10.
Furthermore that excessive military spending (which is supremely wasteful, I agree) is actually helping Ukraine at the moment, so I personally have lesser issue with it in the now. We are essentially funding the downfall of a planetary threat and our enemy without putting boots on the ground.
Internet and GPS are two of the many things that have also come from the military budget. And I’m not so sure the the government is pilfering resources. As far as I know, we aren’t invading a place like Iraq again…I know corps are doing it, but that’s a different kettle of fish.
What I would honestly want is an accountable and reasonable audit and see if (and where) there are areas of waste, redundancy, etc. it’s easy to say a smaller military budget, but I don’t have a realistic or practical idea of where you should reduce spending.
Conversely, Our government would have a lot more money if the IRS wasn’t so severely defunded that it is incapable of going after the wealthiest offenders who defraud our country of taxes and instead have to pursue nickel and dime offenders. I’m far from an atheist, but I would like to reign in tax-exempt statuses for churches and whatnot as well (but that is a losing issue)
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well, anything i actually want to achieve in this country is severely handicapped by the lack of resources available due to the insane military budget. and the military budget is insane due to our constant pilfering of the world for its resources thus necessitating bases all over the planet. so i guess yeah kinda.
So putting aside what you personally want, why not consider the next best thing to benefit more people vs. lesser people?
Why does it have to be your way or the highway? Not everyone’s list of wishes or demands will be fulfilled 10/10.
Furthermore that excessive military spending (which is supremely wasteful, I agree) is actually helping Ukraine at the moment, so I personally have lesser issue with it in the now. We are essentially funding the downfall of a planetary threat and our enemy without putting boots on the ground.
Internet and GPS are two of the many things that have also come from the military budget. And I’m not so sure the the government is pilfering resources. As far as I know, we aren’t invading a place like Iraq again…I know corps are doing it, but that’s a different kettle of fish.
What I would honestly want is an accountable and reasonable audit and see if (and where) there are areas of waste, redundancy, etc. it’s easy to say a smaller military budget, but I don’t have a realistic or practical idea of where you should reduce spending.
Conversely, Our government would have a lot more money if the IRS wasn’t so severely defunded that it is incapable of going after the wealthiest offenders who defraud our country of taxes and instead have to pursue nickel and dime offenders. I’m far from an atheist, but I would like to reign in tax-exempt statuses for churches and whatnot as well (but that is a losing issue)
The problem with military spending is often times in the area of redundant office supplies. As stupid as it is, it is immensely more wasteful. I’m talking markups on desks, chair, furniture, etc. standard furnishings being marked up x-amounts.
It doesn’t end there, but that’s the area that I find most absurd. A standard desk going for $50,000 on tax payers Dime is mind numbingly infuriating. It’s all about fitting everything to account for exact dollar figures, regardless of if it’s reasonable or makes any shred of sense.
This doesn’t even go into the area of perfectly functional jeeps or tanks being dumped mid ocean to keep the machines of war being manufactured.
I agree with you about churches, as someone desperately feeling as if they need to find some semblance of a god.
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Did you know that 7 of the richest 20 counties in the US are in the DC metro area (VA & MD)? What private sector business is there in D.C.? This is not the financial, medical or tech sector (NY, NJ & CA). What is produced in D.C. that deserves the biggest concentration of wealth in the entire U.S.?
It’s really disheartening to hear stories of Supreme Court justices being bought with plane rides and fishing trips and cigars/bourbon. I don’t know what you can do. I am now more interested in politics on a state/local level. The whole Roe v Wade overturning has really solidified in my mind that government on a federal level has no future.
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well, anything i actually want to achieve in this country is severely handicapped by the lack of resources available due to the insane military budget. and the military budget is insane due to our constant pilfering of the world for its resources thus necessitating bases all over the planet. so i guess yeah kinda.
So putting aside what you personally want, why not consider the next best thing to benefit more people vs. lesser people?
Why does it have to be your way or the highway? Not everyone’s list of wishes or demands will be fulfilled 10/10.
Furthermore that excessive military spending (which is supremely wasteful, I agree) is actually helping Ukraine at the moment, so I personally have lesser issue with it in the now. We are essentially funding the downfall of a planetary threat and our enemy without putting boots on the ground.
Internet and GPS are two of the many things that have also come from the military budget. And I’m not so sure the the government is pilfering resources. As far as I know, we aren’t invading a place like Iraq again…I know corps are doing it, but that’s a different kettle of fish.
What I would honestly want is an accountable and reasonable audit and see if (and where) there are areas of waste, redundancy, etc. it’s easy to say a smaller military budget, but I don’t have a realistic or practical idea of where you should reduce spending.
Conversely, Our government would have a lot more money if the IRS wasn’t so severely defunded that it is incapable of going after the wealthiest offenders who defraud our country of taxes and instead have to pursue nickel and dime offenders. I’m far from an atheist, but I would like to reign in tax-exempt statuses for churches and whatnot as well (but that is a losing issue)
The problem with military spending is often times in the area of redundant office supplies. As stupid as it is, it is immensely more wasteful. I’m talking markups on desks, chair, furniture, etc. standard furnishings being marked up x-amounts.
It doesn’t end there, but that’s the area that I find most absurd. A standard desk going for $50,000 on tax payers Dime is mind numbingly infuriating. It’s all about fitting everything to account for exact dollar figures, regardless of if it’s reasonable or makes any shred of sense.
This doesn’t even go into the area of perfectly functional jeeps or tanks being dumped mid ocean to keep the machines of war being manufactured.
I agree with you about churches, as someone desperately feeling as if they need to find some semblance of a god.
Exactly! I think they finally passed legislation about non-competing bids from military contractors which is the far end of the same problem.
I went to a Christian undergrad (in the vein of Notre Dame not somewhere crazy) and I remember some pastors kid had the biggest tv in his dorm and drove a tundra. Really soured me on allocation of offerings, etc
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
'I'm kind of disappointed in you'
'This just ain't it'
'This isn't a good look'
'This is the koolaid you should probably avoid'
Get a grip you obsequious creep. It may come as a complete shock to you but there are actually people out there who form their opinions without first considering if it's 'a good look' to a bunch of people they have never met on the internet.
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
'I'm kind of disappointed in you'
'This just ain't it'
'This isn't a good look'
'This is the koolaid you should probably avoid'
Get a grip you obsequious creep. It may come as a complete shock to you but there are actually people out there who form their opinions without first considering if it's 'a good look' to a bunch of people they have never met on the internet.
Yeah yeah, everyone knows you’re a right wing Jan. 6th kind of metal mulisha kook cunt.
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The more classically liberal, communist, and socialist libertarians I know are good people
I’m kinda dumb as shit when it comes to these things, but are socialist/communist and libertarian not mutually exclusive?
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The more classically liberal, communist, and socialist libertarians I know are good people
I’m kinda dumb as shit when it comes to these things, but are socialist/communist and libertarian not mutually exclusive?
Communist libertarianism is like 'dude everyone should be equal and shit' but also 'dude drugs should be legal and shit'. But yeah they're completely incompatible ideologies when it comes down to it.
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The more classically liberal, communist, and socialist libertarians I know are good people
I’m kinda dumb as shit when it comes to these things, but are socialist/communist and libertarian not mutually exclusive?
Communist libertarianism is like 'dude everyone should be equal and shit' but also 'dude drugs should be legal and shit'. But yeah they're completely incompatible ideologies when it comes down to it.
Seems incompatible to me as well, but maybe there is some deeper truth I don’t comprehend. Ironically, I think I’d probably get along on a strictly personal level with someone who thought this way, even if the philosophy doesn’t make any logical sense.
Have mercy on my feeble, misguided thoughts @Puddy Smally. I’m sorry to have let you down.
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I like that he’s from a long line of politicians, that seems to be working well for us. Also good that he’s rich as fuck, but simultaneously feels that things are unfair, he’s got to have my best interests in mind.
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
Why have you been into UFO stuff? Are you one of these alien visitors guys, or are you just interested in what they could be?
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
Interested, but frightened. I’m actually trying to lay off my consumption of it, because I’ve been experience massive amounts of existential dread. I’m actually suffering pretty badly mentally because of it.
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
Interested, but frightened. I’m actually trying to lay off my consumption of it, because I’ve been experience massive amounts of existential dread. I’m actually suffering pretty badly mentally because of it.
If they are advanced enough to travel here, wouldn’t they also be plenty advanced to annihilate us if they wanted to?
Similarly, I’d think that any civilization that has advanced to the point that they can somehow eclipse whatever vast distance stands between us and them would find us utterly uninteresting. Just as we don’t stop and stomp out every anthill we pass, why would they bother with us? They would be so far beyond us that we could never pose any threat.
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
Interested, but frightened. I’m actually trying to lay off my consumption of it, because I’ve been experience massive amounts of existential dread. I’m actually suffering pretty badly mentally because of it.
If they are advanced enough to travel here, wouldn’t they also be plenty advanced to annihilate us if they wanted to?
Similarly, I’d think that any civilization that has advanced to the point that they can somehow eclipse whatever vast distance stands between us and them would find us utterly uninteresting. Just as we don’t stop and stomp out every anthill we pass, why would they bother with us? They would be so far beyond us that we could never pose any threat.
100% agree, I think just unknowing or feeling uncertain is enough to cause me huge anxiety. I feel silly worrying about things I have zero power of changing, but it also bleeds into the existential climate crisis we face.
Sorry to derail, not my intentions. I just want to feel ok inside.
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
Interested, but frightened. I’m actually trying to lay off my consumption of it, because I’ve been experience massive amounts of existential dread. I’m actually suffering pretty badly mentally because of it.
If they are advanced enough to travel here, wouldn’t they also be plenty advanced to annihilate us if they wanted to?
Similarly, I’d think that any civilization that has advanced to the point that they can somehow eclipse whatever vast distance stands between us and them would find us utterly uninteresting. Just as we don’t stop and stomp out every anthill we pass, why would they bother with us? They would be so far beyond us that we could never pose any threat.
100% agree, I think just unknowing or feeling uncertain is enough to cause me huge anxiety. I feel silly worrying about things I have zero power of changing, but it also bleeds into the existential climate crisis we face.
Sorry to derail, not my intentions. I just want to feel ok inside.
Sorry you feel that way. I don’t think we’ll ever know the whole story on the universe, so that uncertainty will always be there, I’m afraid. What do you think about this most recent whistleblower David Grusch?
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Very sick. What would you like to know? Don’t rush it, think about it a little bit.
I’m kind of disappointed in you, as I always thought you were one of the more gathered pals of old. This just ain’t it.
RFK is basically the right wing plant for the left. Funded by a super pac that supports George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene. This isn’t even touching on his conspiratorial views or the fact that he doesn’t stand a single chance of winning the presidency (a wasted vote). So what is the allure? I may have even read something earlier about ties to Jill Stein (who was a Russian stooge/shill). I know you can lead a horse to water, etc, but this is the koolaid you should probably avoid.
I’ve been into ufo conspiracy shit heavy lately, and my mind has been in an existential melt, and I’m even telling you that this isn’t a good look.
Interested, but frightened. I’m actually trying to lay off my consumption of it, because I’ve been experience massive amounts of existential dread. I’m actually suffering pretty badly mentally because of it.
If they are advanced enough to travel here, wouldn’t they also be plenty advanced to annihilate us if they wanted to?
Similarly, I’d think that any civilization that has advanced to the point that they can somehow eclipse whatever vast distance stands between us and them would find us utterly uninteresting. Just as we don’t stop and stomp out every anthill we pass, why would they bother with us? They would be so far beyond us that we could never pose any threat.
100% agree, I think just unknowing or feeling uncertain is enough to cause me huge anxiety. I feel silly worrying about things I have zero power of changing, but it also bleeds into the existential climate crisis we face.
Sorry to derail, not my intentions. I just want to feel ok inside.
Sorry you feel that way. I don’t think we’ll ever know the whole story on the universe, so that uncertainty will always be there, I’m afraid. What do you think about this most recent whistleblower David Grusch?
I think in regards to Grusch’s claims that I personally fear the black ops groups, and their intentions more than I do NHI. I understand the need for secrecy regarding these projects, but hearing about nefarious claims in regards to this group or groups is utterly terrifying. The fact that there is no oversight or accountability is terrifying. I don’t trust a human with immense power.
Again, I’m just a regular person who knows nothing about what is happening behind the scenes, but the optics of what is being claimed sounds dangerous.
Who knows, maybe they could be working on something that’ll lead to the betterment of society or the health of the planet, but knowing human nature I have my reservations.
Greed, wealth and power is the cancer of mankind, and always seems to overpower the positive aspects of humanity.
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Your thoughts on his campaign?
Hard to think when I’m being styled on this hard.
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i cant believe i just got a lecture in public ethics by a guy who gives himself tachycardia reading x files plotlines
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Kook weirdo, possibly less dangerous than trump. Probably not tho. Don't like his takes on trans stuff that's for sure. He thinks things in the water are increasing the incidence of young cis boys wanting to transition to female. Like wtf? That's some dangerous rhetoric. More like trans visibility in every day life and online, just being normal ppl, has more ppl realizing that they're trans and that it's ok to be that. Why you think they're banning books in school libraries. Might be the only place a young LGBTQ kid has to find information on themselves or media depicting them that they're able to access.
Conservative is a funny word, because they're all actually facist radicals.
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he's like a regular moderate politician who took the x files way too seriously.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
Very, very strong argument
Thank you.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
What do you even get out of saying this? Does it make you feel better about yourself to personally insult anonymous people on the internet instead of addressing what they actually said?
Nothing he said is worth addressing because it's a bullshit argument with no substance.
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Fuck, this is some Trump level presidential candidate shitposting. I back it. Election season in the USA is so fucking funny. Like WWE but the outcome has actual consequences to your life
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
Very, very strong argument
Thank you.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
What do you even get out of saying this? Does it make you feel better about yourself to personally insult anonymous people on the internet instead of addressing what they actually said?
Nothing he said is worth addressing because it's a bullshit argument with no substance.
And yet you felt the need to address it and assert your intellectual superiority while bringing nothing to the table. Just say dunning Kruger if that’s what you mean, but as someone who argues about Nabakov on a skateboard message board, it ends up sounding a lot like projection.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
Very, very strong argument
Thank you.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
What do you even get out of saying this? Does it make you feel better about yourself to personally insult anonymous people on the internet instead of addressing what they actually said?
Nothing he said is worth addressing because it's a bullshit argument with no substance.
And yet you felt the need to address it and assert your intellectual superiority while bringing nothing to the table. Just say dunning Kruger if that’s what you mean, but as someone who argues about Nabakov on a skateboard message board, it ends up sounding a lot like projection.
Is this reddit or smthng?
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Bro, we get it, needles give you the spookies. It’s fine. But we’re here to talk about president beefcake’s workout regimen, ok?
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The more classically liberal, communist, and socialist libertarians I know are good people
I’m kinda dumb as shit when it comes to these things, but are socialist/communist and libertarian not mutually exclusive?
Communist libertarianism is like 'dude everyone should be equal and shit' but also 'dude drugs should be legal and shit'. But yeah they're completely incompatible ideologies when it comes down to it.
Incorrect. Libertarianism is way more than just the right-wing US version. There is a long history of it in Leftism.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
Very, very strong argument
Thank you.
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Seems willing to talk about a lot of things that candidates have rarely touched (CIA involvement in assassinations, regime change, big pharma), he’s well read on a variety of issues and is able to speak extemporaneously in a charismatic way once you get past his voice. And by the way, he is not antivax. Listen any of the in depth interviews he’s done about it and he’ll make the distinction that he is pro safe vaccines. His interview with Megyn Kelly is good if you want to see him go back and forth with someone who originally thought he was a crazy anti vaxxer and eventually comes to understand the nuance of his position.
You seem like a very dumb person who is convinced he is very, very smart.
What do you even get out of saying this? Does it make you feel better about yourself to personally insult anonymous people on the internet instead of addressing what they actually said?
Nothing he said is worth addressing because it's a bullshit argument with no substance.
And yet you felt the need to address it and assert your intellectual superiority while bringing nothing to the table. Just say dunning Kruger if that’s what you mean, but as someone who argues about Nabakov on a skateboard message board, it ends up sounding a lot like projection.
Thank you for proving my initial post.
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
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Impression i get is that people only want to vote for this guy because their favorite candidate, Joe Rogan, isn't running
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Impression i get is that people only want to vote for this guy because their favorite candidate, Joe Rogan, isn't running
It's crazy to me how people are actually dumb enough out in the world that they can listen to this guy speak for more than two minutes and not realize what a total idiot wack job he is. If he had literally any other last name, no one would care about him.
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Dennis Kucinich is his campaign manager?! Weird
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Few too many shit posts, i reckon
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
Well this isn't a question to you necessarily Oyolar but to the mods, why is this a rule? Isn't debating the safety of vaccines just debating medical science? I don't see how it's any different to debating the safety of any other medical procedure.
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
Well this isn't a question to you necessarily Oyolar but to the mods, why is this a rule? Isn't debating the safety of vaccines just debating medical science? I don't see how it's any different to debating the safety of any other medical procedure.
It’s not a debate when one thing is true and the one trying to debate is misinformed asshole who did his own research.
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
Well this isn't a question to you necessarily Oyolar but to the mods, why is this a rule? Isn't debating the safety of vaccines just debating medical science? I don't see how it's any different to debating the safety of any other medical procedure.
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
Well this isn't a question to you necessarily Oyolar but to the mods, why is this a rule? Isn't debating the safety of vaccines just debating medical science? I don't see how it's any different to debating the safety of any other medical procedure.
Please save it for reddit. This is literally the last place left where I don't have to be bombarded by assholes debating in bad faith, about things that actually matter. At least here it's just skateboarding.
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i hate vaccine talk but he shouldnt have been banned and you guys know it. you guys defending the mods have the weakest arguments lol. they even removed the post like it was an actually danger lol.
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
Well this isn't a question to you necessarily Oyolar but to the mods, why is this a rule? Isn't debating the safety of vaccines just debating medical science? I don't see how it's any different to debating the safety of any other medical procedure.
Please save it for reddit. This is literally the last place left where I don't have to be bombarded by assholes debating in bad faith, about things that actually matter. At least here it's just skateboarding.
You know you can just not click the link to the thread, right? It's literally that easy to not see these 'bad faith' arguments you're so worried about
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So @ToshiroTownune was clearly just banned for questioning the COVID vaccine and other vaccines, I am curious as to why this is a bannable offense?
If I'm banned for even asking this, just know I'll be back.
Is he actually banned? Spreading misinformation is bad and people who knowingly do it and double down on it should be called out or punished for doing it. Plus, when you register to post here, the first sentence says you won’t post material that is false so falsely claiming that vaccines are bad an unsafe breaks that rule.
Well this isn't a question to you necessarily Oyolar but to the mods, why is this a rule? Isn't debating the safety of vaccines just debating medical science? I don't see how it's any different to debating the safety of any other medical procedure.
Please save it for reddit. This is literally the last place left where I don't have to be bombarded by assholes debating in bad faith, about things that actually matter. At least here it's just skateboarding.
You know you can just not click the link to the thread, right? It's literally that easy to not see these 'bad faith' arguments you're so worried about
Literally, just no. Save it for the pseudo intellectuals. Can't have y'all running rampant ruining yet another online space.
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That user was banned because they were spreading a harmful conspiracy theory. Slap isn't 4chan so it's best to nip that sort of stuff in the bud.
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I haven’t banned anyone in a while.
Keep it up “you know who” my ban hammer cometh for you.
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What are people’s thoughts on his belief that poppers caused AIDS?
Yeah it's like none of it's foregrounded but if you just skim over the margins you can see RFK jr. is deeply homophobic
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Once i heard that Steve Bannon/Roger Stone have been promoting this dude, it became clear to me that if Trump wins the primary, he might name this dude as his VP and claim he's "uniting" the parties.
It's too perfect. Q-anon nutters will see an echo of their JFK Jr mania. Trump loves name recognition more than anything else, he'd kill for some of that Kennedy sheen.
God i hate this timeline
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Someone earlier in the thread was saying how ridiculous it was for RFK Jr. to say that wifi is dangerous (or words to that effect), and while he admitted he isn't an expert on the topic he's not wrong that there are dangers to having wifi be so prevalent in our homes and on devices that we keep in pockets next to our genitals or next to our ears/brains. Google it. I always have my phone on airplane mode whenever it's in my pocket. We just don't know the dangers yet because all this shit is so new to us, and that goes for so much stuff in our current world, not just wifi. Why would you take the risk? In his Rogan podcast he talks about Glyphosate too which you can research for yourself and see how dangerous that herbicide is to your gut, and that shit is in pretty much any inorganic vegetable/vegetable product in the USA. It's on the road to being banned in several European countries. The companies developing these things clearly aren't worried about our health, they just want to make money and that's the bottom line. If you're fine with being part of the treatment group in this huge global experiment then that's on you but don't shoot people who are just trying to protect us.
I don't think he'll win but I hope his run for presidency makes a lot more people aware of just how fucked our health is becoming in the West and there are real people who can be held accountable for it.
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Someone earlier in the thread was saying how ridiculous it was for RFK Jr. to say that wifi is dangerous (or words to that effect), and while he admitted he isn't an expert on the topic he's not wrong that there are dangers to having wifi be so prevalent in our homes and on devices that we keep in pockets next to our genitals or next to our ears/brains. Google it. I always have my phone on airplane mode whenever it's in my pocket. We just don't know the dangers yet because all this shit is so new to us, and that goes for so much stuff in our current world, not just wifi. Why would you take the risk? In his Rogan podcast he talks about Glyphosate too which you can research for yourself and see how dangerous that herbicide is to your gut. The companies developing these things clearly aren't worried about our health, they just want to make money and that's the bottom line. If you're fine with being part of the treatment group in this huge global experiment then that's on you but don't shoot people who are just trying to protect us.
So he’s our savior “just trying to protect us”? You really think a fucking Kennedy is a martyr? Just go vote for the idiot already. This isn’t even about defending him anymore. You’re just spewing a bunch of bullshit that, coincidentally, perfect aligns with a qanon boomer’s Facebook posts… and RFK
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they just want to make money and that's the bottom line.
That's capitalism for you.
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Someone earlier in the thread was saying how ridiculous it was for RFK Jr. to say that wifi is dangerous (or words to that effect), and while he admitted he isn't an expert on the topic he's not wrong that there are dangers to having wifi be so prevalent in our homes and on devices that we keep in pockets next to our genitals or next to our ears/brains. Google it. I always have my phone on airplane mode whenever it's in my pocket. We just don't know the dangers yet because all this shit is so new to us, and that goes for so much stuff in our current world, not just wifi. Why would you take the risk? In his Rogan podcast he talks about Glyphosate too which you can research for yourself and see how dangerous that herbicide is to your gut, and that shit is in pretty much any inorganic vegetable/vegetable product in the USA. It's on the road to being banned in several European countries. The companies developing these things clearly aren't worried about our health, they just want to make money and that's the bottom line. If you're fine with being part of the treatment group in this huge global experiment then that's on you but don't shoot people who are just trying to protect us.
I don't think he'll win but I hope his run for presidency makes a lot more people aware of just how fucked our health is becoming in the West and there are real people who can be held accountable for it.
Fried 🍤
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Someone earlier in the thread was saying how ridiculous it was for RFK Jr. to say that wifi is dangerous (or words to that effect), and while he admitted he isn't an expert on the topic he's not wrong that there are dangers to having wifi be so prevalent in our homes and on devices that we keep in pockets next to our genitals or next to our ears/brains. Google it. I always have my phone on airplane mode whenever it's in my pocket. We just don't know the dangers yet because all this shit is so new to us, and that goes for so much stuff in our current world, not just wifi. Why would you take the risk? In his Rogan podcast he talks about Glyphosate too which you can research for yourself and see how dangerous that herbicide is to your gut, and that shit is in pretty much any inorganic vegetable/vegetable product in the USA. It's on the road to being banned in several European countries. The companies developing these things clearly aren't worried about our health, they just want to make money and that's the bottom line. If you're fine with being part of the treatment group in this huge global experiment then that's on you but don't shoot people who are just trying to protect us.
I don't think he'll win but I hope his run for presidency makes a lot more people aware of just how fucked our health is becoming in the West and there are real people who can be held accountable for it.
Where are you finding this info on the dangers of glyphosate and WiFi? What are your sources? Because when I Google “glyphosate human health” and “WiFi human health,” the first things that pop up are how they’re not harmful to human health except for ML Pall’s work on WiFi which it is easy to find critiques of and then from there find literature reviews substantiating that there does not appear to be health issues caused by WiFi based on exposure below regulatory limits. You and RFK are just echoing a slightly updated version of the conspiracy that cellphones cause cancer that has been around since cellphones became widely adopted in the 90s, which is bunk.
For glyphosate, just because the EU does something doesn’t make it good. The EU is pushing to expand organic farming, even though organic farming by itself offers no environmental or nutritional benefits.
Also, putting your phone on airplane mode in your pocket likely will have no effect since it’s not turning off the WiFi that is just existing around you from all of the modems and routers that are everywhere now.
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modern life is war, how old are you?
lol putting your phone on airplane mode is crazy dude
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modern life is war, how old are you?
lol putting your phone on airplane mode is crazy dude
Depends on what calendar conspiracy theorists find valid rn probably.
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glyphosphate aka Roundup isn't what I want in my water supply or in the food I eat. And, I too try to keep a cellphone and lap top not next to my nut sack.
Just like vaccines v no vaccines, however, Brogan and this Kennedy creep aren't starting a new thread of conversation. they're not spreading new info to save the masses. These have been topics of conversation for far, far longer than these clowns have been mixing them with their brand of late stage capitalist bigotry and encouragement of violence.
@oyolar
here's a fresh off the presses story concerning glyophosphate law suits
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2023/06/roundup-manufacturers-had-no-evidence-for-claiming-its-weedkillers-were-safe/ (https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2023/06/roundup-manufacturers-had-no-evidence-for-claiming-its-weedkillers-were-safe/)
there's a mixed bag on all the talk about this sort of stuff, chemical fertilizers and herbicides. Perhaps the sway and power of the chemical companies that created zyklon b and agent orange is just that powerful that they're still raking in the bucks for shareholders while fucking people up.
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Lawsuits aren’t how we settle science. Scientific reviews are how we settle science, but I’ll look into it more. Thanks.
I’d avoid the appeal to history though. Because a company previously created a dangerous chemical (in a time with less testing and regulation) does not mean that all chemicals they create (in a time with more regulation and testing) must therefore be dangerous
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some real know it all cunts in here
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Where are you finding this info on the dangers of glyphosate and WiFi?
It was revealed to him in a dream.
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fuck that guy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgBxaeHvKwk
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Someone earlier in the thread was saying how ridiculous it was for RFK Jr. to say that wifi is dangerous (or words to that effect), and while he admitted he isn't an expert on the topic he's not wrong that there are dangers to having wifi be so prevalent in our homes and on devices that we keep in pockets next to our genitals or next to our ears/brains. Google it. I always have my phone on airplane mode whenever it's in my pocket. We just don't know the dangers yet because all this shit is so new to us, and that goes for so much stuff in our current world, not just wifi. Why would you take the risk? In his Rogan podcast he talks about Glyphosate too which you can research for yourself and see how dangerous that herbicide is to your gut, and that shit is in pretty much any inorganic vegetable/vegetable product in the USA. It's on the road to being banned in several European countries. The companies developing these things clearly aren't worried about our health, they just want to make money and that's the bottom line. If you're fine with being part of the treatment group in this huge global experiment then that's on you but don't shoot people who are just trying to protect us.
I don't think he'll win but I hope his run for presidency makes a lot more people aware of just how fucked our health is becoming in the West and there are real people who can be held accountable for it.
Where are you finding this info on the dangers of glyphosate and WiFi? What are your sources? Because when I Google “glyphosate human health” and “WiFi human health,” the first things that pop up are how they’re not harmful to human health except for ML Pall’s work on WiFi which it is easy to find critiques of and then from there find literature reviews substantiating that there does not appear to be health issues caused by WiFi based on exposure below regulatory limits. You and RFK are just echoing a slightly updated version of the conspiracy that cellphones cause cancer that has been around since cellphones became widely adopted in the 90s, which is bunk.
For glyphosate, just because the EU does something doesn’t make it good. The EU is pushing to expand organic farming, even though organic farming by itself offers no environmental or nutritional benefits.
Also, putting your phone on airplane mode in your pocket likely will have no effect since it’s not turning off the WiFi that is just existing around you from all of the modems and routers that are everywhere now.
Well, first of all, I disregard almost any study on Glyphosate that is funded by Monsanto or a similar corporations with a vested interest in the product. I also don't trust the US government so I disregard any publication or anything they say on a federal website that says glyphosate is safe.
Here's an interesting study on glyphosate that found glyphosate depletes Manganese in cows. Manganese deficiency in humans leads to several neurological diseases including autism.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392553/
The author of that study, Stephanie Seneff, also appeared on this podcast which is really interesting. Ignore the clickbait title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_YsxUbUUyQ
modern life is war, how old are you?
lol putting your phone on airplane mode is crazy dude
I'm somewhere close to the average age of this forum
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She is who you trust?
Not surprising at all, Dr. Seneff is not a biologist, biochemist, or anything relatedly relevant to studying glyphosate. She's a computer scientist and electrical engineer who has decided late in her career to pivot to biological studies and publishes in middling to low-impact journals and peddles pseudoscience such as mRNA vaccines are worse for you than COVID, works with naturopaths (i.e. quacks) and COVID denialists and misinformation peddlers, claims glyphosate causes autism, and all sorts of other bullshit. Her one book seems to imply (based on the cover and Amazon description) that vaccines, sunscreen, GMOs, and EMF cause autism as well. She publishes articles that cite authors who claim that her work misquotes and misunderstands their work, and nearly every expert in the field disagrees with almost all of her claims.
She appears to have published at least two books on glyphosate and "dangerous" chemicals. Chelsea Green, one of her publishers, peddled a bunch of COVID denial, anti-vaccine, and other junk science books. New Voice Publications, the other publisher, I can't find anything about except for one Christian publisher and one self-publishing house under the same names.
This took literally 2 minutes of googling.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200611191320/https://www.alternet.org/2014/02/meet-controversial-mit-scientist-who-claims-have-discovered-cause-gluten-sensitivty/
https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/when-media-uncritically-cover-pseudoscience
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2017.00316/full
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/11/09/not-even-wrong-seneff-and-samsel-debunked-seralini-crew-12126
https://web.archive.org/web/20150419004339/http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2013/04/30/is_glyphosate_poisoning_everyone.php
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/glyphosate-the-new-bogeyman/
https://www.montereycountyweekly.com/news/cover/inside-chelsea-green-the-publishing-house-peddling-covid-19-misinformation-and-other-conspiracies/article_670bdfbc-52dd-11ec-9722-773514a11392.html
https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/12/31/oh-no-gmos-are-going-to-make-everyone-autistic
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2023/01/06/free-to-fabricate-or-barred-from-teaching-disagreements-over-covid-underscore-threats-to-science-academic-freedom-and-the-public/
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2023/01/17/viewpoint-mit-turns-blind-eye-to-misinformation-on-agricultural-biotechnology-and-vaccines-promoted-by-infamous-crank-computer-scientist-stephanie-seneff/
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience-environment/dr-stephanie-seneff-strikes-out-again-glyphosate-and-covid-19
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientific-review-articles-as-antivaccine-disinformation/
The link to the article you provided is in a journal that I can't even find ranked on a rank of impact scores to see how often it's referenced and cited, but it is open access, which is an academic journal practice plagued by issues: https://web.archive.org/web/20160606170517/https://scholarlyoa.com/2015/01/08/anti-roundup-glyphosate-researchers-use-easy-oa-journals-to-spread-their-views/
Her co-author on that paper, I can't find out much about. I found his LinkedIn but weirdly, he doesn't include any information about any degrees he holds, either in this field or any other. He does seem to have co-authored a lot of papers with Seneff, but that shouldn't mean anything.
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the following are concerned with glyphosphate and toxicity.
"Therefore, although the concentrations of glyphosate residues that persist over time are relatively low, it is possible that due to extensive use on a large scale they may accumulate and become a risk to animal and human health, as they are chronically exposed to residues in the water and food they consume"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/)
"The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classified glyphosate as “Category 2a,” which specifies probable carcinogenic to humans [14]. The United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA) classifies this herbicide as “Group E carcinogen,” which means non-cancerous for humans [4]. In contrast to the European Food Safety Authority, which determines glyphosate as a potent carcinogen for humans"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7602795/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7602795/)
"The increase in glyphosate consumption over the years has also brought increased concerns about the possible toxicity effects of this herbicide and possible consequences for human health. Therefore, in recent years, studies on the effects of glyphosate on human health have increased. This discussion has a major drawback, which is the fact that some toxicity studies have the participation of the herbicide industry, which has a commercial interest in maintaining the authorization of its best-selling herbicide. Nonetheless, there is currently no consensus among the scientific community, and there is controversy over the safety of glyphosate and its health consequences."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8622992/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8622992/)
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
Merely posting on the science of glyophosphate toxicity.
RFK, the so-called shit posters, covid-deniers and anti-vaccine hit parade, etc suck.
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Gotcha - thanks for the info! I do find what you shared genuinely helpful so I'll probably add it to my list of things I occasionally google to see what's new so I have another thing to worry about.
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yeah, no prob, dude. also, just saying about organic veggies and stuff, which i believe you mentioned, stuff such as glyophosphate isn't applied to the plants. Glyophosphate and similar chemicals however, while not quite forever chemicals, remain in soils, root systems, and watersheds for a long, long time. So, while it's not happening on the industrial level, smaller scale, regenerative organic agriculture is quite excellent for the environment/ecosystem/habitat/watershed within which it occurs.
On a slightly different note, I don't know if you like eating vegetables or fruits, but man, tomatoes are a great way to taste the difference between organic and conventional foods- snag an organic heirloom tomato variety, fresh and locally grown at a farmers market if possible, and then grab a conventional slicer or vine tomato. You could probably even get one of each from the same grocery store. In my experience, the og heirloom will blow you away.
I'm done. I can geek out about organic veggie farming and soil for days. peace ;)
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@IusedToSkateMore thanks for the studies you posted on glyphosate, I'm glad we could find some common ground. Totally agree about heirloom vegetables too, my favourites are heirloom pumpkins because they are so weird and fun to grow. I also think you had some great takes in the Wagner group thread but I don't want to get involved in that topic so I'll just say that here instead of there.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
You say this but you probably unironically believe everything Fauci says HAH
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yeah, no prob, dude. also, just saying about organic veggies and stuff, which i believe you mentioned, stuff such as glyophosphate isn't applied to the plants. Glyophosphate and similar chemicals however, while not quite forever chemicals, remain in soils, root systems, and watersheds for a long, long time. So, while it's not happening on the industrial level, smaller scale, regenerative organic agriculture is quite excellent for the environment/ecosystem/habitat/watershed within which it occurs.
On a slightly different note, I don't know if you like eating vegetables or fruits, but man, tomatoes are a great way to taste the difference between organic and conventional foods- snag an organic heirloom tomato variety, fresh and locally grown at a farmers market if possible, and then grab a conventional slicer or vine tomato. You could probably even get one of each from the same grocery store. In my experience, the og heirloom will blow you away.
I'm done. I can geek out about organic veggie farming and soil for days. peace ;)
Nah, I've done that and notice no major differences personally. Taste varies across and within organic and non-organic products too widely to consistently see a difference in my opinions. Breeds and species make a larger difference, for sure but organic vs. non-organic heirloom tomatoes means little to nothing. But that comes down to taste, so it's whatever.
My larger point is that organic food is not healthier or more nutritious than non-organic (which is a common claim) and that organic farming is less efficient than non-organic farming and so has major environmental impacts across a variety of spaces because it requires more land to be transformed and reworked into farmable land in order produce the same yield as non-organic farming. This food is also then more expensive, pricing it out of many people's budgets, furthering social and economic divisions and punishing vulnerable populations that will only get worse if adopted widescale.
But all that is to say that the agriculture space is fucked all around and drastic changes need to take place. I just don't think that shifting to "organic argiculture" will fix it. I don't know what to do, but I know that just attempting to scale up back-to-land, quasi-mystical organic or biodynamic practices won't solve the problem. This is particularly true as large agriculture businesses and monopolies will just greenwash themselves but not fundamentally change how food is produced to make it better for the environment and cheaper and more accessible to people.
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Slap on glyphosate
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@IusedToSkateMore thanks for the studies you posted on glyphosate, I'm glad we could find some common ground. Totally agree about heirloom vegetables too, my favourites are heirloom pumpkins because they are so weird and fun to grow. I also think you had some great takes in the Wagner group thread but I don't want to get involved in that topic so I'll just say that here instead of there.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
You say this but you probably unironically believe everything Fauci says HAH
Anthony Fauci is a top academic in his field of study, he’s not a politician dipshit.
You’re a Florida native, aren’t you?
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Sounds like Monsanto needs to up their media funding… people are still permitting themselves to discuss it like adults without calling each other names.
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@IusedToSkateMore thanks for the studies you posted on glyphosate, I'm glad we could find some common ground. Totally agree about heirloom vegetables too, my favourites are heirloom pumpkins because they are so weird and fun to grow. I also think you had some great takes in the Wagner group thread but I don't want to get involved in that topic so I'll just say that here instead of there.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
You say this but you probably unironically believe everything Fauci says HAH
Anthony Fauci is a top academic in his field of study, he’s not a politician dipshit.
You’re a Florida native, aren’t you?
Haha no I'm not, but I did marry one and all my best American friends are Floridian. Do you not like Florida? Geographically it is a little flat for me and parts of it are way too developed but I love the people, they're some of the most honest and friendly people I have met in the USA.
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Here's an interesting piece about the royalties public health officials receive from pharma companies.
https://youtu.be/hF5sZjIlFB0
I think it's worth checking out if you've been visiting this page, to understand some of the behind-the-scenes of the pharma industry.
Also. Florida is tight. don't be a cunt. Wherever you go, you're going to find shitty people and awesome people. Reserve judgment until you actually know a person, and even then, be kind.
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We’re just basing FL dogging off those the residents have chosen to represent them - the DeSantises, Rubios, Scotts and the politics that majority Floridians must tacitly approve of
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Here's an interesting piece about the royalties public health officials receive from pharma companies.
https://youtu.be/hF5sZjIlFB0
I think it's worth checking out if you've been visiting this page, to understand some of the behind-the-scenes of the pharma industry.
Also. Florida is tight. don't be a cunt. Wherever you go, you're going to find shitty people and awesome people. Reserve judgment until you actually know a person, and even then, be kind.
Nah, the state of Florida deserves any/all criticism and ridicule it receives. Until that state finds a way to redeem itself I’m going to continually paint it with the broad brush strokes it deserves.
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In most red states, the major cities are Democrat strongholds and the rural country folk vote Republican.
In Florida it's similar, but even in the major cities that vote blue it's typically by a pretty damn tight margin.
There are essentially no progressive strongholds in Florida, even the most diverse, metropolitan areas can turn red at any given moment.
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@IusedToSkateMore thanks for the studies you posted on glyphosate, I'm glad we could find some common ground. Totally agree about heirloom vegetables too, my favourites are heirloom pumpkins because they are so weird and fun to grow. I also think you had some great takes in the Wagner group thread but I don't want to get involved in that topic so I'll just say that here instead of there.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
You say this but you probably unironically believe everything Fauci says HAH
Anthony Fauci is a top academic in his field of study, he’s not a politician dipshit.
You’re a Florida native, aren’t you?
Is he? I thought he worked in government. Do you not think he has an agenda? I’m not indicating that he does not want the best for humanity, but he is the most protected public official I have ever seen. When he was questioned about lab leaks in Wuhan during the high of Covid he said no way. Now he claims he has an open mind. Just because you believe in Covid shots and mask wearing (which I do) does not mean you should accept what anyone part of any government agency claims it the whole truth. I believe all authority should be questioned.
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@IusedToSkateMore thanks for the studies you posted on glyphosate, I'm glad we could find some common ground. Totally agree about heirloom vegetables too, my favourites are heirloom pumpkins because they are so weird and fun to grow. I also think you had some great takes in the Wagner group thread but I don't want to get involved in that topic so I'll just say that here instead of there.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
You say this but you probably unironically believe everything Fauci says HAH
Anthony Fauci is a top academic in his field of study, he’s not a politician dipshit.
You’re a Florida native, aren’t you?
Is he?
I mean, yes, he objectively is, not that it really matters anymore. Any turd behind a computer can question the validity of anyone's expertise, call anything they want fake, and decide the only real, 100% factual source of information is REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS OF AMERICA (NO SNOWFLAKES ALLOWED!) facebook page.
"Anthony Stephen Fauci (/ˈfaʊtʃi/ FOW-chee;[3] born December 24, 1940) is an American physician-scientist and immunologist who served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) from 1984 to 2022, and the chief medical advisor to the president from 2021 to 2022.[4]
As a physician with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Fauci has served the American public health sector for more than fifty years and has acted as an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.[5] During his time as director of the NIAID, he made contributions to HIV/AIDS research and other immunodeficiency diseases, both as a research scientist and as the head of the NIAID.[6]
From 1983 to 2002, Fauci was one of the world's most frequently cited scientists across all scientific journals.[6][7] In 2008, President George W. Bush awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, for his work on the AIDS relief program PEPFAR.[8]
During the COVID-19 pandemic, he served under President Donald Trump as one of the lead members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. Fauci's advice was frequently contradicted by Trump, and Trump's supporters alleged that Fauci was trying to politically undermine Trump's run for reelection. After Joe Biden took office, Fauci began serving as one of the lead members of the White House COVID-19 Response Team and as Biden's chief medical advisor.[9][10] Fauci stepped down on December 31, 2022."
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@IusedToSkateMore thanks for the studies you posted on glyphosate, I'm glad we could find some common ground. Totally agree about heirloom vegetables too, my favourites are heirloom pumpkins because they are so weird and fun to grow. I also think you had some great takes in the Wagner group thread but I don't want to get involved in that topic so I'll just say that here instead of there.
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OK, so the science is currently debating glyphosate's toxicity. That doesn't mean, then, that RFK and people like Seneff are suddenly legitimate researchers or experts that we should listen to, particularly in the wide range of topics they portray themselves to be.
I always refer to my politician of choice to confirm my health care decisions. What kind of simple idiot doesn’t?
You say this but you probably unironically believe everything Fauci says HAH
Anthony Fauci is a top academic in his field of study, he’s not a politician dipshit.
You’re a Florida native, aren’t you?
Is he? I thought he worked in government. Do you not think he has an agenda? I’m not indicating that he does not want the best for humanity, but he is the most protected public official I have ever seen. When he was questioned about lab leaks in Wuhan during the high of Covid he said no way. Now he claims he has an open mind. Just because you believe in Covid shots and mask wearing (which I do) does not mean you should accept what anyone part of any government agency claims it the whole truth. I believe all authority should be questioned.
I’m generally untrusting of politicians and authority figures, but if we can’t trust the top experts in their scientific fields of study, then who do we have left to trust? It seems ignorant to fully question a top academic who devoted their entire life to studying their specified subject.
Stating this, I think many people (far too many) assume Dr. Fauci should automatically have had all the answers regarding Covid-19, when the reality is that the world has not seen a global pandemic the likes of Covid previously during his lifetime. He’s not going to have all the answers, especially prior to the proper investigative bodies having concluded their research into its origins.
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Stating this, I think many people (far too many) assume Dr. Fauci should automatically have had all the answers regarding Covid-19, when the reality is that the world has not seen a global pandemic the likes of Covid previously during his lifetime. He’s not going to have all the answers, especially prior to the proper investigative bodies having concluded their research into its origins.
A lot of folks think it's a bad thing when a politician or public figure (or anyone, I guess) changes their views on a subject when presented with new information. They call it "waffling" or "flip flopping" and view it as weak.
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Stating this, I think many people (far too many) assume Dr. Fauci should automatically have had all the answers regarding Covid-19, when the reality is that the world has not seen a global pandemic the likes of Covid previously during his lifetime. He’s not going to have all the answers, especially prior to the proper investigative bodies having concluded their research into its origins.
A lot of folks think it's a bad thing when a politician or public figure (or anyone, I guess) changes their views on a subject when presented with new information. They call it "waffling" or "flip flopping" and view it as weak.
If people or groups of people have trouble viewing the scope of the unknown aspects of the pandemic, and wrongly assume that anyone anywhere has all the facts from the onset of the pandemic (pre investigation, which China was uncooperative with), then I’m afraid those are people that essentially are logical lost causes.
I don’t know what people expected from Dr. Fauci that he wasn’t giving, or what they expect he had done differently. Especially given that he was being pressured by the president whom of which made a political matter of the pandemic, and safety precautions.
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Dr. Fauci was deceptive about masks from the beginning. He claimed after he was protecting the N95 stock for health care workers but he did mislead the public. It’s well documented.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html
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yeah, no prob, dude. also, just saying about organic veggies and stuff, which i believe you mentioned, stuff such as glyophosphate isn't applied to the plants. Glyophosphate and similar chemicals however, while not quite forever chemicals, remain in soils, root systems, and watersheds for a long, long time. So, while it's not happening on the industrial level, smaller scale, regenerative organic agriculture is quite excellent for the environment/ecosystem/habitat/watershed within which it occurs.
On a slightly different note, I don't know if you like eating vegetables or fruits, but man, tomatoes are a great way to taste the difference between organic and conventional foods- snag an organic heirloom tomato variety, fresh and locally grown at a farmers market if possible, and then grab a conventional slicer or vine tomato. You could probably even get one of each from the same grocery store. In my experience, the og heirloom will blow you away.
I'm done. I can geek out about organic veggie farming and soil for days. peace ;)
Nah, I've done that and notice no major differences personally. Taste varies across and within organic and non-organic products too widely to consistently see a difference in my opinions. Breeds and species make a larger difference, for sure but organic vs. non-organic heirloom tomatoes means little to nothing. But that comes down to taste, so it's whatever.
My larger point is that organic food is not healthier or more nutritious than non-organic (which is a common claim) and that organic farming is less efficient than non-organic farming and so has major environmental impacts across a variety of spaces because it requires more land to be transformed and reworked into farmable land in order produce the same yield as non-organic farming. This food is also then more expensive, pricing it out of many people's budgets, furthering social and economic divisions and punishing vulnerable populations that will only get worse if adopted widescale.
But all that is to say that the agriculture space is fucked all around and drastic changes need to take place. I just don't think that shifting to "organic argiculture" will fix it. I don't know what to do, but I know that just attempting to scale up back-to-land, quasi-mystical organic or biodynamic practices won't solve the problem. This is particularly true as large agriculture businesses and monopolies will just greenwash themselves but not fundamentally change how food is produced to make it better for the environment and cheaper and more accessible to people.
we're definitely on a different page, but do you care to share possibly peer reviewed, academic and scientific sources that aren't funded by AG and aren't written by economists? You're making claims and in the last paragraph seem to be only familiar with hogwash ideas in the patronizing statement regarding "back to the land, quasi-mystical organic or biodynamic practices." I'm just curious where your information comes from and thus informs your opinions. Mine comes from working 10+ years in various levels of organic agriculture in the pacific northwest, from small gardens to larger, still local farms, with folks both educated from through experience and advanced degrees in soils and biology.
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Here's a fun one about the lab leak theory, which looks more and more like fact every day.
https://youtu.be/WMhjR7dSw_g
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24491722/
One for the “organic is not more nutritious” crew (and also the glyphosate lovers)
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Whatever you think of the vaccine and "health" arguments aside, RFK is interesting because I think he probably understands that the party won't let him seriously challenge Biden, but he can set himself up to be a major player in the wide open 2028 primary. Like Trump, he is independently wealthy and has powerful name recognition, and he is willing to discuss third rails in American domestic politics like the constant poisoning of our food and water which goes almost completely unaddressed by regulators and politicians. And like Trump, I don't think he would ever be able to do anything about it, because at this point, capitalism is a machine on rails, but there might be a sizeable constituency for this brand of politics.
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All you need to know about RFK is who’s funding his campaign, and who’s championing him. The fact that Steve Bannon is one of those people is alarming.
He’s more of the same disrupter candidate we’ve seen of the past (Jill Stein), and the fact that so many of you lack crucial skill of discernment, and consume this bullshit is embarrassing.
I used to constantly clash with the Gipper, but I kind of wish he were still here to tell everyone how painfully dumb they are.
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yeah you fucking idiots lack the ability to discern that voting for joe biden and endorsing all of his policies is the only sound political reasoning out there, you gotta wise up like my man area 51 up here
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yeah you fucking idiots lack the ability to discern that voting for joe biden and endorsing all of his policies is the only sound political reasoning out there, you gotta wise up like my man area 51 up here
Do you have any information which will lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton?
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yeah you fucking idiots lack the ability to discern that voting for joe biden and endorsing all of his policies is the only sound political reasoning out there, you gotta wise up like my man area 51 up here
Who’s your guy? Biden sure as hell wasn’t mine, but he’s the safest least harmful option of a handful of shitty options.
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for sure. and everything he's done is the best choice out of a handful of shitty choices. anything else is unpragmatic and there's no point in thinking about it or asking why we don't try to implement it. like i said, we both have sound political reasoning and common sense
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There’s never been a President who skates, right? If a candidate were a skater would that sway you guys at all?
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There’s never been a President who skates, right? If a candidate were a skater would that sway you guys at all?
We've had a couple guys try in the past but more sidewalk surfer steez-
https://theberrics.com/andrew-yang-two-skateboarders-in-2020-presidential-race
Gotta come down to the policies and track records but you have my ear initially if you can tre.
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There’s never been a President who skates, right? If a candidate were a skater would that sway you guys at all?
Nah, we’d just wind up talking shit about their fits.
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There’s never been a President who skates, right? If a candidate were a skater would that sway you guys at all?
I’m gonna come back and gnar this in a couple months (or kook if you prefer)
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
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Stating this, I think many people (far too many) assume Dr. Fauci should automatically have had all the answers regarding Covid-19, when the reality is that the world has not seen a global pandemic the likes of Covid previously during his lifetime. He’s not going to have all the answers, especially prior to the proper investigative bodies having concluded their research into its origins.
A lot of folks think it's a bad thing when a politician or public figure (or anyone, I guess) changes their views on a subject when presented with new information. They call it "waffling" or "flip flopping" and view it as weak.
Changing your mind based on evidence shows a reigned in ego and a breadth of emotional maturity. I wish more politicians would do it. Maybe we wouldn't have this endless back and forth based on feelings and religion.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do so would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
Only people with your background don't have to pay attention to politics. Says a lot that you're being swayed by a total kook. Maybe you should pay a little more attention. You're probably into Rogan and all his easily disproven conspiracy theory bullshit too lol.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
Only people with your background don't have to pay attention to politics. Says a lot that you're being swayed by a total kook. Maybe you should pay a little more attention. You're probably into Rogan and all his easily disproven conspiracy theory bullshit too lol.
Why do you care so much about background? Why is RFK a total kook? I was only talking about the war in Ukraine. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. Are you at least curious if what he saying about the US using them in a proxy war is true.
I will say I think Covid conspiracies are terribly uninteresting and I accept all vaccines that are required or recommended by the government for my children.
If you want to keep minimizing my opinions by assuming I feel a certain way about things I cannot stop you but I dont think it is a proper way to debate. Try sticking to the topic at hand w/o reducing me to a Roganite.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
Only people with your background don't have to pay attention to politics. Says a lot that you're being swayed by a total kook. Maybe you should pay a little more attention. You're probably into Rogan and all his easily disproven conspiracy theory bullshit too lol.
Why do you care so much about background? Why is RFK a total kook? I was only talking about the war in Ukraine. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. Are you at least curious if what he saying about the US using them in a proxy war is true.
I will say I think Covid conspiracies are terribly uninteresting and I accept all vaccines that are required or recommended by the government for my children.
If you want to keep minimizing my opinions by assuming I feel a certain way about things I cannot stop you but I dont think it is a proper way to debate. Try sticking to the topic at hand w/o reducing me to a Roganite.
Background is always important, but you're right I did reduce you to a one dimensional person and ppl are more complex than that. I don't like rfk jrs theory that things in the water are making young boys transgender. I think that is some wacky shit. I need someone a little more reasonable in office. And that's just one thing he's said about the LGBTQ community that is troubling. Wonder what he thinks in private.
Anyway, my apologies. I still think anyone who takes him seriously might be a little kooky themselves.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
Only people with your background don't have to pay attention to politics. Says a lot that you're being swayed by a total kook. Maybe you should pay a little more attention. You're probably into Rogan and all his easily disproven conspiracy theory bullshit too lol.
It's actually a small subset of mostly well-to-do Americans who care about politics, and what you're describing about "paying attention to politics" is basically having an opinion on the news.
Whether they state this explicitly or not, most people correctly understand that there are no meaningful participatory politics in the US and your time is better spent doing and caring about something else.
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
Only people with your background don't have to pay attention to politics. Says a lot that you're being swayed by a total kook. Maybe you should pay a little more attention. You're probably into Rogan and all his easily disproven conspiracy theory bullshit too lol.
It's actually a small subset of mostly well-to-do Americans who care about politics, and what you're describing about "paying attention to politics" is basically having an opinion on the news.
Whether they state this explicitly or not, most people correctly understand that there are no meaningful participatory politics in the US and your time is better spent doing and caring about something else.
It's def a little less black and white than that and some people have to pay attention and speak up amongst peers and otherwise. I understand what you are saying about the government, but society needs discourse and a general social consensus on things regardless of the government or politics. Politicians play with people's lives.
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I get my news mainly from here. It’s pretty polarizing but it keeps me on my toes.
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I just listened to the first 15 minutes. By the way, before you opened this thread I never heard of this guy. I do not follow politics. That’s to say I am not interested in world events, but I am not interested in politics.
However, I like contrarians—I was raised by one. I like what he is saying about Ukraine. I feel like with every war we involve ourselves the American people are lied to. I don’t feel Ukraine can win the war and the toll it has taken on their country’s people seems unnecessary.
I may or may not listen to more of this town hall, but I do think what he is saying about Ukraine should not be dismissed. And it is hard to find any information in major publications that questions our involvement in the war. To do as would be looked at as anti-Ukrainian as if the country of Ukraine is the sum on the happiness and safety of the Ukraine people. And with that I yield my time to OP…
Politics drive world events. Love you I don't pay attention to politics people. Please don't vote. Lemme guess, straight, possibly white, male? Must be nice.
Please tell me what your definition of politics is? Is news politics? Is information? No need to personally attack my background. Pretty immature.
Only people with your background don't have to pay attention to politics. Says a lot that you're being swayed by a total kook. Maybe you should pay a little more attention. You're probably into Rogan and all his easily disproven conspiracy theory bullshit too lol.
Why do you care so much about background? Why is RFK a total kook? I was only talking about the war in Ukraine. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. Are you at least curious if what he saying about the US using them in a proxy war is true.
I will say I think Covid conspiracies are terribly uninteresting and I accept all vaccines that are required or recommended by the government for my children.
If you want to keep minimizing my opinions by assuming I feel a certain way about things I cannot stop you but I dont think it is a proper way to debate. Try sticking to the topic at hand w/o reducing me to a Roganite.
Background is always important, but you're right I did reduce you to a one dimensional person and ppl are more complex than that. I don't like rfk jrs theory that things in the water are making young boys transgender. I think that is some wacky shit. I need someone a little more reasonable in office. And that's just one thing he's said about the LGBTQ community that is troubling. Wonder what he thinks in private.
Anyway, my apologies. I still think anyone who takes him seriously might be a little kooky themselves.
I’m glad we are friends again.
I will admit background is important but it’s only a piece of the puzzle. Political discussions are impossible on a message board. I think of politics as twisted information to serve a purpose (spin). I always vote in the election but never in the primary. RFK will not win and he will have zero impact on Biden in the election.
If you want to know my background I can tell you that I was raised to be tolerant of all people but distrust authority…
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Anyone catch the Newsnation town hall he gave? What’d you guys think?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eLW9s6NpS7w
This was the first time I’ve heard him speak. Surprisingly, they address why he sounds like Steve-O right out of the gate.
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"He claims that his father wasn’t killed by Sirhan Sirhan and has pushed for his release from prison, opposed by all but one of his seven siblings."
He gives a riveting account of the assassination in this segment on Bill Maher’s podcast. Bill quotes a passage from a book setting up the case against Sirhan Sirhan.
Ultimately, RFK jr believes his father was betrayed by a security person who walked him in to an ambush and is responsible for the shots from behind that killed him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc6O4KXcHzQ
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What do you think would have happened had RFK not been assassinated? Would our world look any differently?
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What do you think would have happened had RFK not been assassinated? Would our world look any differently?
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What do you think would have happened had RFK not been assassinated? Would our world look any differently?
It prob would have taken malcolm x, king, rfk and jfk not being assassinated for anything to be different. Even then prob not that much different. Look at Clarence Thomas and his trajectory to ultra conservative. Dude used to lead the EEOC and got into college with affirmative action.
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What do you think would have happened had RFK not been assassinated? Would our world look any differently?
Could Clarence Thomas have gotten in without it, in your opinion?
Have you read what he has to say about if?
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What do you think would have happened had RFK not been assassinated? Would our world look any differently?
Could Clarence Thomas have gotten in without it, in your opinion?
Have you read what he has to say about if?
I've read a couple of articles, this is one of them
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-clarence-thomas-go-yale-under-affirmative-action-policy-1810180 (https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-clarence-thomas-go-yale-under-affirmative-action-policy-1810180)
It sounds like he benefitted from it but by 2023 doesn't like the fact that he did. But he's said things that alluded to having benefitted without any vitriol behind it. I don't think my opinion is valid as to whether he would have gotten in, but the colleges he went to seem to say he did in fact get in due to affirmative action. I will say it seems he's an extremely insecure man surrounding where he's gotten in life and why.
Have you done either of those things? Pretty easy to suss out that he's a hypocrite and imo just seems like an angry, bad person.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtBkw5uD-0&feature=share
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How you doing Sneaky? Your boy’s taking some heat.
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How you doing Sneaky? Your boy’s taking some heat.
As he should be purely over the things in the water are turning boys into trans girls thing. Like wtf even is that. Does anyone need to hear more of what this guy says to realize he's a complete kook?
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How you doing Sneaky? Your boy’s taking some heat.
I guess I just mainly feel sorry for you dullards for being stupid enough to completely fall for the mass media’s propaganda campaign against him.
I know you aren’t able to recognize that that’s what is happening. You’re just apparently easily manipulatable.
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How you doing Sneaky? Your boy’s taking some heat.
I guess I just mainly feel sorry for you dullards for being stupid enough to completely fall for the mass media’s propaganda campaign against him.
I know you aren’t able to recognize that that’s what is happening. You’re just apparently easily manipulatable.
He literally said that boys are being turned into trans girls by things in the water. It came out of his own mouth. That's not propaganda. If you don't care about that then fuck you and fuck off with your bullshit.
Why are so many people so obsessed with changing things that occur in nature that already have a solution the afflicted group is actually happy with. You think they'd be happier being like you? Fuck no! Fuck rfk jr too.
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Here’s the new new from the thinking man’s candidate:
https://apple.news/A2P3BIKv4TZCS28AE5ADiZg
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Here’s the new new from the thinking man’s candidate:
https://apple.news/A2P3BIKv4TZCS28AE5ADiZg
Wow what'll it take for smart white men to turn against this dullard? Probably nothing. Everyone's favorite candidate is some white guy who has zero expertise in any of the things he talks about.
Is it satisfying knowing that a piece of shit has the same opinion as you who is also an uneducated piece of shit? The answer is yes and that's why you're unbelievably pathetic.
Can't wait til he starts talking about women's bodies and what they can and can't do with them based on his cis hetero white male opinion.
He's already going after transwomen. What's next, race theories based on athleticism? If you can't see that this guy is an unhinged kook then you're also an unhinged kook.
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Even if you're cool with the conspiracy theory shit, all his policies are trash too. Here's the ex-environmental lawyer giving his genius plans to curb climate change. https://www.instagram.com/p/CuVALORreT0/
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We've reached the point of statue pfps? Shit's about to get enlightened up in here.
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
Because enough idiots fall for the "anti-establishment" card. If I was 18 again, I'd probably be in love with this idiot too. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul and Andrew Yang, I fell for both. I never gave a shit about Tulsi Gabbard, but you could lump her in there too.
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but seriously if money isnt the biggest issue facing your life your pretty lucky. i dont even see a point to politics anymore, all the laws are there to protect people, what more laws or policies do you want? everything is a fair playingfield now. we need to just move on and focus solely on economics so we actually improve our lives.
Are you high or something? They're literally trying to roll back LGBTQ rights across the entire country, negate same sex marriage and are harassing trans people for sport using laws and bans.
The supreme court just ruled in favor of business owners being able to discriminate against LGBTQ customers by just saying MAH RELIGION!!!!
Either you don't care or aren't paying attention and your take is just some shit you dreamed up that you thought sounded revolutionary. It doesn't.
If I didn't know any better I'd assume this is a troll post. I actually hope it is.
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
Because enough idiots fall for the "anti-establishment" card. If I was 18 again, I'd probably be in love with this idiot too. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul and Andrew Yang, I fell for both. I never gave a shit about Tulsi Gabbard, but you could lump her in there too.
Agreed, I guess I meant more of why did this topic pop back up after the novelty wore off
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
Because enough idiots fall for the "anti-establishment" card. If I was 18 again, I'd probably be in love with this idiot too. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul and Andrew Yang, I fell for both. I never gave a shit about Tulsi Gabbard, but you could lump her in there too.
Agreed, I guess I meant more of why did this topic pop back up after the novelty wore off
Because of slap's demographic more than likely.
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im more excited to not vote then i have been in years
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im more excited to not vote then i have been in years
More things to vote for than just President
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i hope my city comptroller can pull through and make it possible to go to the doctor without being drawn and quartered by billing loopholes
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im more excited to not vote then i have been in years
Another election, another vote wasted on the PSL.
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im more excited to not vote then i have been in years
Another election, another vote wasted on the PSL.
Pumpkin Spice Latte?
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i hope my city comptroller can pull through and make it possible to go to the doctor without being drawn and quartered by billing loopholes
Governors, judges, state and federal congressmen, city council, sheriffs
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great, ill vote (D) straight ticket and anxiously await the glorious turnaround of american society
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great, ill vote (D) straight ticket and anxiously await the glorious turnaround of american society
Can you at least vote for one of the finalists in the Herrs Flavored by Philly competition?
https://www.herrs.com/the-latest/flavored-by-philly-local-eats-voting/
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great, ill vote (D) straight ticket and anxiously await the glorious turnaround of american society
the most important election of our lives
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great, ill vote (D) straight ticket and anxiously await the glorious turnaround of american society
I would love it if we could go full on french revolution at some point; but sadly since the entire country is so divided it would def turn into a civil war if the federal government ceased to exist. It'd be nice if Canada would accept more immigrants from the USA in that event. I'd go in a second. Shit tbh I'd go right now if their requirements weren't so stringent... Weather sucks but their major cities are cool.
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great, ill vote (D) straight ticket and anxiously await the glorious turnaround of american society
Can you at least vote for one of the finalists in the Herrs Flavored by Philly competition?
https://www.herrs.com/the-latest/flavored-by-philly-local-eats-voting/
i dont live there anymore so it would be stolen valor, i'd vote for a bahn mi flavored chip to salute my east side south philly friends doe
edit: damn they're making a johns roast pork chip? my dad's hella problems finna skyrocket
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
Because enough idiots fall for the "anti-establishment" card. If I was 18 again, I'd probably be in love with this idiot too. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul and Andrew Yang, I fell for both. I never gave a shit about Tulsi Gabbard, but you could lump her in there too.
Agreed, I guess I meant more of why did this topic pop back up after the novelty wore off
it came up within an instant of my posting a thoughtful Jacobin article in the Wagner Group Coup thread about the so-called opportunity for "progressive dissent" against the use/sale of cluster bombs in Ukraine. Hmmmm. thought provoking
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It’s not that deep, story popped up on my phone and I just wanted to roast Sneaky for being a massive kook.
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
Because enough idiots fall for the "anti-establishment" card. If I was 18 again, I'd probably be in love with this idiot too. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul and Andrew Yang, I fell for both. I never gave a shit about Tulsi Gabbard, but you could lump her in there too.
Agreed, I guess I meant more of why did this topic pop back up after the novelty wore off
it came up within an instant of my posting a thoughtful Jacobin article in the Wagner Group Coup thread about the so-called opportunity for "progressive dissent" against the use/sale of cluster bombs in Ukraine. Hmmmm. thought provoking
Psyops at work on Slap
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Why are we even humoring his run? It’s not like he’s even be a spoiler candidate in the general
Because enough idiots fall for the "anti-establishment" card. If I was 18 again, I'd probably be in love with this idiot too. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul and Andrew Yang, I fell for both. I never gave a shit about Tulsi Gabbard, but you could lump her in there too.
Agreed, I guess I meant more of why did this topic pop back up after the novelty wore off
it came up within an instant of my posting a thoughtful Jacobin article in the Wagner Group Coup thread about the so-called opportunity for "progressive dissent" against the use/sale of cluster bombs in Ukraine. Hmmmm. thought provoking
Psyops at work on Slap
if you don't know, now you know
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great, ill vote (D) straight ticket and anxiously await the glorious turnaround of american society
Heh it’s more like just stemming the flow of evil (R) is trying to inflict upon us
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heh they're doing an awesome job arent they heh
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/politics/rfk-jr-covid-jewish-groups/index.html
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Dude’s head gives me Lurch vibes
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Fester_lurch_1966_cropped_Lurch.jpg/230px-Fester_lurch_1966_cropped_Lurch.jpg)
Or maybe Frankenstein’s monster?
(https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/2ae0dde1ddca2c2be45b4dbcdff62a7e5dd3c7f5/hub/2017/06/02/38adc99f-57fb-4682-b56c-d910f2b9360d/frankenstein-1931.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=675&width=1200)
Also, I’m genuinely curious about what PSL means. Search engines were not very helpful.
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Dude’s head gives me Lurch vibes
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Fester_lurch_1966_cropped_Lurch.jpg/230px-Fester_lurch_1966_cropped_Lurch.jpg)
Or maybe Frankenstein’s monster?
(https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/2ae0dde1ddca2c2be45b4dbcdff62a7e5dd3c7f5/hub/2017/06/02/38adc99f-57fb-4682-b56c-d910f2b9360d/frankenstein-1931.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=675&width=1200)
Also, I’m genuinely curious about what PSL means. Search engines were not very helpful.
Party for Socialism and Liberation, which was the first crank party which sprang to mind.
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Ah, thank you.
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
this is actually a cornerstone of american hierarchy, sorry to break the bad news
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
Next think you know, you're going to say that Bill Gates' role founding a software company and using his mom's connections with the board of IBM to make it successful doesn't qualify him to decide worldwide vaccination policy.
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
this is actually a cornerstone of american hierarchy, sorry to break the bad news
It’ll be “interesting” to see if the SC rules in favor of it after their ruling against Affirmative Action. (And a heh to you)
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
this is actually a cornerstone of american hierarchy, sorry to break the bad news
It’ll be “interesting” to see if the SC rules in favor of it after their ruling against Affirmative Action. (And a heh to you)
Is there a relevant case? The Supreme Court ruling on Affirmative Action specifically left in place the "black box" policy by which colleges can basically accept or deny any person at all for any reason whatsoever and never have to state a reason why.
I figure it's a third rail they'll never touch because that's how half of them got into college in the first place, and it's certainly how 100% of their children or grandchildren will get into college.
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
this is actually a cornerstone of american hierarchy, sorry to break the bad news
It’ll be “interesting” to see if the SC rules in favor of it after their ruling against Affirmative Action. (And a heh to you)
Is there a relevant case? The Supreme Court ruling on Affirmative Action specifically left in place the "black box" policy by which colleges can basically accept or deny any person at all for any reason whatsoever and never have to state a reason why.
I figure it's a third rail they'll never touch because that's how half of them got into college in the first place, and it's certainly how 100% of their children or grandchildren will get into college.
A minority activist group started a lawsuit in the wake of the Affirmative Action decision. Think it’ll take some time to reach SCOTUS
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https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-17-2023/jordan-gop-rfk-covid/
What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
this is actually a cornerstone of american hierarchy, sorry to break the bad news
It’ll be “interesting” to see if the SC rules in favor of it after their ruling against Affirmative Action. (And a heh to you)
Is there a relevant case? The Supreme Court ruling on Affirmative Action specifically left in place the "black box" policy by which colleges can basically accept or deny any person at all for any reason whatsoever and never have to state a reason why.
I figure it's a third rail they'll never touch because that's how half of them got into college in the first place, and it's certainly how 100% of their children or grandchildren will get into college.
A minority activist group started a lawsuit in the wake of the Affirmative Action decision. Think it’ll take some time to reach SCOTUS
The fact that they didn't touch this part of the admissions issues makes me think that the court will simply refuse to hear the case, but we will see.
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What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
this is actually a cornerstone of american hierarchy, sorry to break the bad news
It’ll be “interesting” to see if the SC rules in favor of it after their ruling against Affirmative Action. (And a heh to you)
Is there a relevant case? The Supreme Court ruling on Affirmative Action specifically left in place the "black box" policy by which colleges can basically accept or deny any person at all for any reason whatsoever and never have to state a reason why.
I figure it's a third rail they'll never touch because that's how half of them got into college in the first place, and it's certainly how 100% of their children or grandchildren will get into college.
A minority activist group started a lawsuit in the wake of the Affirmative Action decision. Think it’ll take some time to reach SCOTUS
The fact that they didn't touch this part of the admissions issues makes me think that the court will simply refuse to hear the case, but we will see.
If I remember, I think the suit against legacy admissions is being framed as affirmative action for rich whiteys
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Not gonna look into it or read all these pages, but what's up with his voice? Did he have throat cancer or something? He sounds like the Cookie Monster.
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Not gonna look into it or read all these pages, but what's up with his voice? Did he have throat cancer or something? He sounds like the Cookie Monster.
I was curious too so I looked it up.
"I had a very very strong voice until I was 42 years old,” RFK began. “In 1996 I had an injury that caused a neurological disorder called spasmodic dysphonia. And it make my voice like this – I cannot listen to my voice. When I go home I will not listen to this program"
Tell you what though...the more I hear about this guy the less I like 'em. No sir. Not a fan.
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Not gonna look into it or read all these pages, but what's up with his voice? Did he have throat cancer or something? He sounds like the Cookie Monster.
side effect of spewing bullshit out your mouth
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Are we platforming this guy. Is some weirdo gonna see this and think that RFK is the new messiah? If so, we’re all guilty here.
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If only they'd have let Bernie do his thing, y'all wouldn't have to be giving this fella one iota of brain power
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If only they'd have let Bernie do his thing, y'all wouldn't have to be giving this fella one iota of brain power
Yeah, I bet he’d have had an easier time getting even more progressive agenda getting passed. I like Bernie, but guys/gals like him I think are best suited for the Senate and that shouldn’t be seen as lesser.
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What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
Next think you know, you're going to say that Bill Gates' role founding a software company and using his mom's connections with the board of IBM to make it successful doesn't qualify him to decide worldwide vaccination policy.
Testimony in congress should only be from experts of the field. Bill Gates runs different charities and bases his views on scientific evidence. RFK Jr. is an environmental lawyer who says that vaccines cause autism and that COVID is designed to not attack Chinese or Jewish people, without providing any information to back it up. Having said that, Bill Gates shouldn’t decide worldwide vaccination policy. That’s something that doctors and immunologists should decide.
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Are we platforming this guy. Is some weirdo gonna see this and think that RFK is the new messiah? If so, we’re all guilty here.
No, not pLaTfOrMiNg!!!!
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What credentials does he have to talk about a virus? If it wasn’t for his family name, there is no fucking way he would have gotten a degree from Harvard.
Legacy admissions allow idiots like him to get degrees from prestigious universities and spout bullshit that gets taken seriously.
Next think you know, you're going to say that Bill Gates' role founding a software company and using his mom's connections with the board of IBM to make it successful doesn't qualify him to decide worldwide vaccination policy.
Policy should be decided by politics voted for by the people. I know it is not very popular right now, but you know: Democracy.