Mike Carroll on the future of Crailtap

[Still Tippin]

devil's advocate...

but Jenkem's MJ original "bad sports" interview could be seen as a puff-piece for Lakai as well. Of course when he's skating their shoes he's gonna say, I wouldn't skate anything corpo. ever. because that's the sales-pitch that's successfully getting people to buy "core shoes".  also, of course Jenkem is gonna fuel Carroll's fire against MJ as they have a shoe with Lakai at the moment. Jenkem actually owes a ton to MJ for giving them basically "the interview" that legitimized them as a skate site.  the Berrics, errr skatemag, article definitely reads like an advertiser-paid article (duh.  all of the skatemag reads/is written/is bought this way since the takeover)... but then, in a way, so do the Jenkem interviews.

"fueling the fire against MJ" had nothing to do with the carroll interview. his interview was in the works for a good bit before the adidas announcement came out of nowhere and blindsided carroll and everyone else. it was a follow up topic that couldn't be ignored/

[Winking Starfish]

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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?

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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash

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Well, Yankee Candle already exists and my brand has yet to launch. I'm coming in to their space. And yes, at some point, Yankee Candle was NOTHING, like my brand is now. And they worked their way to being massive and have stayed there. I don't neccesarily think they have a great product but that doesn't mean they didn't earn their space or work their asses off to stay there. Good for them. Maybe one day I'll earn it too and I'll send you all free candles if I do 😉

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I'd rather buy your candles anyway, Brink.  Much better to support a candle maker owned candle company than the soulless corpo giant of Yankee Candle

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Awfully sweet of you 😘 And if you bought Yankee Candles and liked them, I wouldn't judge. Just make sure they are soy and not polluting your air 😂

I literally went to your etsy store to put my money where my mouth was but you don't have any candles for sale.  Now I don't know what's real anymore 

[midevilco]

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Call me next time your employer reduces your pay twice, you put in 2 weeks, then get asked to stick around for a bit longer to train your replacement.

Sticking around through the lean times is one thing if you are an owner, quite another as an employee.

MJ was paid reasonably well I'm sure, but when you have to slash people's pay, don't be surprised if they lose loyalty.

Asking him to stick around a bit longer and a bit longer and a bit longer. When does it end? Oh, just after Away Days... Just after Summer... Just until we can clear enough shoes out...

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ive been hearing things along these lines so many times in this thread...

1. mike clearly said that mj was immune from paycuts until one at the very end
2. When does it end? It ends at the precise moment stated on the termination agreement that mj agreed to.
3. how do you not understand that putting in your two weeks at a restaurant and having hundreds of thousands of dollars of product made with your name on it(and subsequent marketing campaign) and then dipping before they can sell the product ARE IN NO WAY THE SAME FUCKING THING

1. From the interview- �"Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again."

He left before the 2nd pay cut took place. �

2. Doesn't sound like he signed the termination agreement, so your point is moot.

I'm guessing Altamont Capital has access to some pretty good lawyers who know how to write a termination agreement that is 100% to their liking, complete with rubber dildo. If they are demanding a 6 mo. no compete so they can clear out inventory, YET pay him his newly reduced rate during that time, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves too.

3. Your right, they are different. But if Adidas has been chasing him for years and you know you are eventually going to lose him, why continue to invest in him? To keep him happy? If he has been a liar all this time, why did you try to hold onto him so bad?

Did anyone really think Crail/Lakai was going to be able to hold onto MJ after losing Gino, Koston, Guy and Biebel?

[Righteous Victim]

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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?

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You're probably busting my balls but I'll throw this out there for fun. There was a time when I questioned it. Not because anything ever happened between another man and I, but because for so long I was kinda bullied and insulted about it, going all the way back back to grade school. So I thought, "Maybe I'm the last to know?" I tend to watch MILF porn and I have never actually thought about it but I imagine if I were gay, I would prefer a large penis on a man? Shit, why not? I have had a gay thought, which made me realize ai wasn't gay, and that's the thought or making out with a dude and how it isn't appealing to me ...

Aren't most porn milfs younger than you?

[swag nollies]

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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?

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You're probably busting my balls but I'll throw this out there for fun. There was a time when I questioned it. Not because anything ever happened between another man and I, but because for so long I was kinda bullied and insulted about it, going all the way back back to grade school. So I thought, "Maybe I'm the last to know?" I tend to watch MILF porn and I have never actually thought about it but I imagine if I were gay, I would prefer a large penis on a man? Shit, why not? I have had a gay thought, which made me realize ai wasn't gay, and that's the thought or making out with a dude and how it isn't appealing to me ...

I will accept that answer. And yeah, big cocks all the way.

[French manicure]

Damn! It's still going nuts in here, 20 page thread incoming.

[Fongstarr.]

Where is ISUCK for his opinions on this. I'd like to hear just cause he sort of went through this with Trevor Colden and him having pro boards for Mystery only to leave to go to Skate Mental. Didn't he have tons of stock left as well and that is where that $30K check came from? MJ should pay Carroll out.

[rideflannel]

2. Doesn't sound like he signed the termination agreement, so your point is moot.

I'm guessing Altamont Capital has access to some pretty good lawyers who know how to write a termination agreement that is 100% to their liking, complete with rubber dildo. If they are demanding a 6 mo. no compete so they can clear out inventory, YET pay him his newly reduced rate during that time, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves too.

Well if everything Carroll say's is correct then why didn't MJ say something?

Mike mentioned several times during the interview that he told MJ he was open to change anything in the termination agreement "I would have done anything to make that agreement what he wanted." and "I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything".

You don't grease the wheel that doesn't squeak. If MJ didn't like the way something was shaking out he's an adult and should speak up. Sounds like Carroll gave him multiple chances to voice any concerns he had regarding the agreement and it fell on deaf ears.

[Monkey_Mcpott]

MJ looks like he's doing just fine....

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brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response

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Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?

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Stupid dipshit, no kidding it said passive aggressive. Please explain to me how calling you a "stupid dipshit" and other insults is passive in any way. I'll give you a clue, its not. I'm not being passive aggressive towards your stupidity, I'm being just plain aggressive

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The whole I'm talking through you instead of directly to you thing is pretty passive. You're on one hell of a roll right now, partner.

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You don' t know what passive aggressive means. Just acknowledge it, even if it is privately to yourself, look it up if you are curious, and move on. Directly calling somebody wrong and stupid is not passive at all.
If I was being passive aggressive I would say something insulting in a way in a subtle, almost hidden way. If I said, "gee, you sure are one smart child!" That would be passive aggressive. Sounds like I am being complimentary, but since you aren't a child, when you think it through, you realize I'm calling you a stupid adult. I'm sending an aggressive message in a passive way.
When I talk about you, I aggressively send an aggressive message about you being a moron.

And Brink- the whole "may not know entirely what they are talking about" line is so lame. Can you clear anything up? If not, its just a lame way of saying "only the opinions of insiders are valid." Ironically, the skateboard buying market is made up of more than just "insiders" so maybe we should consider the opinion of the market as valid?

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   that's not ironic at all

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[ICUSUCKA]

This feels like 2016 BradJolina moment for SLAP. Good from MJ for having the balls to say "Fuck you" in the biggest way to his long standing sponsor in the most dynamic fashion. Good for MC for having the balls and rebuttal to say "Fuck you" in the biggest way to his long standing riding in the most surprising way. Sometimes skating needs this type of shit to move it forward and keep things from going stale. Glad to see some people still appreciate a good throw down and back stabbing. C'mon ya'll love it and you know it.

[LesbianPUNCH]

 For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.

[RCB3]

Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.

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all we are is dust in the wind, have fun with skateboarding and love your families.

[trillytrill]

Something I haven't seen said yet, maybe I missed it, is that mj  was obviously still under contract with Lakai and Carroll was being a good dude and letting him out of it so he could go get more money. All he asked was that he be able to get the already made product out and not have his other employees blindsided and their work in designing and promoting Marc flushed down the shitter as a blindside in front of their faces. So shame on mj for allowing that to happen and fucking over someone who was trying to do right by him.

[Koozin]

Brink love your work over the years, but tell me, is eating ass better than drinking piss?

[Green Bastard]

Something I haven't seen said yet, maybe I missed it, is that mj  was obviously still under contract with Lakai and Carroll was being a good dude and letting him out of it so he could go get more money. All he asked was that he be able to get the already made product out and not have his other employees blindsided and their work in designing and promoting Marc flushed down the shitter as a blindside in front of their faces. So shame on mj for allowing that to happen and fucking over someone who was trying to do right by him.

[SodaJerk]

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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?

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You're probably busting my balls but I'll throw this out there for fun. There was a time when I questioned it. Not because anything ever happened between another man and I, but because for so long I was kinda bullied and insulted about it, going all the way back back to grade school. So I thought, "Maybe I'm the last to know?" I tend to watch MILF porn and I have never actually thought about it but I imagine if I were gay, I would prefer a large penis on a man? Shit, why not? I have had a gay thought, which made me realize ai wasn't gay, and that's the thought or making out with a dude and how it isn't appealing to me ...

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I will accept that answer. And yeah, big cocks all the way.

Hi Brink, I'm sure you don't remember this but this thread reminded me of this exchange.

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Man, I wish you guys had more transparency into the inner workings of the skate industry ...

Never forget MJ's Jenkem interview ...

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Sorry Brink but MJ made it seem like he was saying something but he was really saying nothing. He was spitting feathers and sewing seeds of doubt hoping to sprout dissonance but fell short of naming names or citing actual events. I understand he has a career to maintain and didnt want to throw people or business's under the bus but in the slew of interviews he did around that time his mantra was "trust no one but Lakai are cool". He's payed by Lakai right? Just because you have a more informed perspective from which to read the context of what MJ did or didn't say doesn't mean "we" should be able to correctly connect the dots. Feel free to step into the void and clear it up for us or fall back and cool industry guy us like "oh man if only you knew and if only I could tell you".

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He said what needs to be said, but with class. To your point ... not dropping names. You don't have to believe or trust it. But that doesn't mean he isn't right. Or isn't providing an insider view and perspective of truth.

I know I've personally explained to people or friend to avoid something ... let's just say a chick they like. You don't always want to give a whole list of info and negativity and facts. You just go, "Hey man, I dunno, she's kinda bad news." They can then do what they will with that info.

Buy what you like. Because no company is exempt from doing something that would make you go, "Man, FUCK THAT COMPANY." And I think that is important enough information to know, without someone like MJ or me going into a whole slew of facts and name dropping.

I'm not trying to cool guy anything or back any company or slam any company. I'm just trying to add some perspective to make people consider multiple angles. I enjoy that part of any topic/discussion/etc.


 

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Why bother replying at all if your still gonna industry cool guy us?

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That's what I got from it too Hufs calf muscles. I'm not asking for names (although if you wanna go there), I'm asking why we should give any validity to MJ or Mark Waters and yes even you just because you're  in the industry and say your version of the truth but don't back it up. I'm in no way saying MJ, Waters or you are not telling the truth but why won't someone lift the veil with what they do know? I stayed out of this thread until your "if you only knew" post so give us something here. Anything.

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Yeah Brink, quit talking in circles.

I'm not trying to come at you or anything but just wanted to see if you think there is anything in the quotes above that has changed due to the events discussed in this thread or if it all still reads true? I've never met you but I like what I have seen and read of you so I'm not shit stirring just interested in your opinions. And yeah big cocks all the way, who would want a small cock in their mouth?

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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.

Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.

[Fongstarr.]

For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.

It was a total lifestyle commercial. Dennis and Silas riding in a car that is clearly not theres, picks up Daewon and then ride to a school where you happen to see MJ. It felt so unnatural.

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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.

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Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.

If you think Nike is popular because of the quality of their product and their image and not unlimited capitol, you're delusional. And I disagree with you about Lakai. I think they've added some of their most unique riders in the last several years.

[JB]

Has MJ spoke on this at all yet? This thread is way too hard to follow.

[Tyroneshoelaces]

Has MJ spoke on this at all yet? This thread is way too hard to follow.

probs too shitfaced. 

[wake and bacon]

i see lots of talk lumping adidas into nike/cons/NB/etc saying that they swooped in and bought up all the best riders, y'all realize that adidas has been in it since the late 90's, initially supporting gonz, matt beach, lance mountain, etc? they've earned there spot based on that alone, in my opinion. no huge marketing campaign, just low key supporting dope dudes. i mean yeah, the shoes were shit back then, but it's not like they came in for a cash grab and dipped. they've been in it almost as long as lakai has. i still would rather support lakai, and do, but people are getting it twisted.

[Jordick]

So is it not obvious that Adidas will probably buy all of the lakai back stock so that Marc doesn't get sued?

[Deucifer]

So is it not obvious that Adidas will probably buy all of the lakai back stock so that Marc doesn't get sued?

http://garagedayscollection.com/

 

[Fecal Fury]

Glad we're on the same page. Y'all are crazy. We are talking about candles and my sexuality in a Carroll/MJ thread of the century. I'm outta this one but ya'll know how to get in touch with me one on one if you like ... 👍🏻

Yooo

For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.

It was an introduction to the team, not a showcase of their skating...

[Jordick]

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So is it not obvious that Adidas will probably buy all of the lakai back stock so that Marc doesn't get sued?

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http://garagedayscollection.com/

 

what was the point of that