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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Shtonk on December 02, 2023, 03:22:54 AM
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I'm a little too young to have memories of Baker's beginnings. Didn't know Bootleg existed until a couple years ago. I came in at Baker 2G and it defined my outlook on skating for years. I was wondering what J Strickland's role was with the company and how he dropped out of the picture? Was he still around for Baker 2G? I've checked a few search results but I got the strong feeling there's a lot of glossing over and covering up in those "public" accounts.
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firdthabd
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Thank you so much
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Thank you so much
This made me laugh. Wish I could help.
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graffiti dude turned skate art dude turned industry dude who i think kept it too real for some people.
baker robbed him of his whole shit wholesale tho. he invented that whole look. he deserves more than he's gotten for sure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoX3Yy-ou2E&ab googled him after writing that and there's this.. mad hip hop son
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoX3Yy-ou2E&ab googled him after writing that and there's this.. mad hip hop son
Yeah no info on Baker tho. Some articles make it sound like he may have piled out big-time?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoX3Yy-ou2E&ab googled him after writing that and there's this.. mad hip hop son
Yeah no info on Baker tho. Some articles make it sound like he may have piled out big-time?
articles written by industry dickheads who ripped him off.. cant trust em
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How much he paying you Shtonk?
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https://48blocks.com/j-strickland/
https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2012/03/19/hijinx-with-j-strickland/
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https://48blocks.com/j-strickland/
https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2012/03/19/hijinx-with-j-strickland/
And those are an accurate depiction of what went down yeah? Why do I feel like there's a bit more behind it? Has Reynolds ever spoken on this?
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https://48blocks.com/j-strickland/
https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2012/03/19/hijinx-with-j-strickland/
And those are an accurate depiction of what went down yeah? Why do I feel like there's a bit more behind it? Has Reynolds ever spoken on this?
not really, which actually speaks volumes imo
i think andrew did great things with baker, i mean he's been running it for over 20 years now and it's always been relevant. i don't doubt that their general art direction was stolen from j though, that was back in the piss drunx era, they were all probably fucked up making these choices.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
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Thank for those links and Info, I always think about this type of people in the industry, I really want to know more about Daniel Harold Sturt too.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
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Strickland’s a real one. A real cool cat.
One of the most solid dudes that the industry needed more of.
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I think ellington talked about it on a ride channel interview briefly.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
I think you mean, "life extending."
damn, ive gotten in 2 life extenion posts this past week. life is good.
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Dude was friends with Kirchart I don't know about Fred Galll
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
I’m too old to have ever cared about Baker. It’s just funny to read the 15-year old ramblings of another bitter dude who got burned out of the skate industry and conclude that the career of a legendary skater and his brand would be nothing without him.
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Ayo, that's amazing
Gun in your mouth talk, verbal foul hawk
Connect thoughts to make my man child walk
Swift notarizer, Blue-Tang, all up in the high-riser
New York Yank visor, word tranquilizer
Adjust the dosage, delegate my Clan with explosives
While, my pen blow lines ferocious
Mediterranean, see y'all, the number one draft pick
Tear down the beat, God, then delegate the God to see God
The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala
Max mostly, undivided then slide in sickening
Guaranteed made 'em jump like J Strickland
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
Wasn't this what steve jobs was famous for, taking other peoples work and make it look like it was his. btw i don't know anything about the allegations on here, but it will not be the first time a person becoming a millionary over some one elses idea.
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Ayo, that's amazing
Gun in your mouth talk, verbal foul hawk
Connect thoughts to make my man child walk
Swift notarizer, Blue-Tang, all up in the high-riser
New York Yank visor, word tranquilizer
Adjust the dosage, delegate my Clan with explosives
While, my pen blow lines ferocious
Mediterranean, see y'all, the number one draft pick
Tear down the beat, God, then delegate the God to see God
The swift chancellor, flex the white gold tarantula
Track truck diesel, play the weed God substantiala
Max mostly, undivided then slide in sickening
Guaranteed made 'em jump like J Strickland
Spitting hot fiyah 🔥🔥🔥
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He was Buck Strickland's brother. He never won the Blue Flame of Valor.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
j was around for the first 3-4 years of the brand, everything that came after is andrew mostly. he kept the logo and fonts.
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Thank you so much
You shouldn't have edited your post! It made my day.
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CHEVY MSK the best writer of all time..
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"I was getting pretty bummed on Andrew. He hadn’t come through on his promises he made over and over about me owning a piece of the company."
How many times has this sort of wishing-on-a-star mentality in the business world actually resulted in someone obtaining ownership? Probably pretty rarely.
And if you're not an owner, then you're most likely a work-made-for-hire, which means the owner can do whatever they want with the shit you produce for them (the results and proceeds of your services), in perpetuity.
So, what's all the whining about? They're running with your format because you created it for them while you were an employee. If folks got their shit together and negotiated their contracts correctly or, even better, hired a lawyer from jump street, there wouldn't be a need to pester someone to make good on a promise.
As far as I can tell, this guy was a w-m-f-h for Tony who became a w-m-f-h for Reynolds. End of story.
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"I invented being erroneously un-mad at the person of color negotiating my deals...its funny how people forget."
- J. Strickland
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I painted a wall with H Bomb about a decade ago.
Nice guy
Dunno why him and Chevy are here, did J take that flick?
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
this is mind-blowingly regular
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I'm a little too young to have memories of Baker's beginnings. Didn't know Bootleg existed until a couple years ago. I came in at Baker 2G and it defined my outlook on skating for years. I was wondering what J Strickland's role was with the company and how he dropped out of the picture? Was he still around for Baker 2G? I've checked a few search results but I got the strong feeling there's a lot of glossing over and covering up in those "public" accounts.
I’ve been holding my tongue for a while about J, but after a while in the industry I think some things need to be said on here, so here’s my story about J Strickland and why I think things went the way they did.
It was just around the time we were filming for Baker 2G- we saw J Strickland at a grocery store in Los Angeles. I told him how cool it was to see him shop for groceries and spray paint in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos of the session or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Anyway hope this clears some things up.
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Ellington talks about it on weekend buzz, it’s the only episode missing from the internet.
Mumford, trainwreck, Ellington ep.
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Ellington talks about it on weekend buzz, it’s the only episode missing from the internet.
Mumford, trainwreck, Ellington ep.
The plot thickens! The boss pulling stricks, I mean strings?
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(https://buffedandgone.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/chevybone.jpg)
It belongs in a museum
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"I think it was some Piss Drunks darkman" - Greco?? Quote was in Baker Bootleg. In an old Transworld interview with Greco (March 2001, Backside noseblunt down Wilshire 10 cover), Greco had a whole page that explained his slang. He refers to J. Strickland as Suge Knight.
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
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does writing on bar restroom walls count as graffiti?
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It’s odd that Reynolds doesn’t talk about him much in any of the countless interviews he’s done in recent years talking about his career and starting baker. If Strickland came up with the whole aesthetic for Baker one would think you would want to give credit where it’s due. Especially considering this has contributed a lot to it’s longevity, hard to think of another brand with such a distinct identity as Baker. Reynolds obviously did a great job editing Baker 3, my favorite of all them, but you can see he really just ran with the style already set from bootleg and 2g. After reading that 48 blocks interview it’s seems like Reynolds might feel a little guilty for whatever went down behind the scenes and wants to sweep his influence under the rug. Also very interesting that buzz interview got taken down where this was discussed.
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From what I've heard, most of the stuff stated in here is true. J came up with a lot of the aesthetic and art direction of the brand in the early years, including the video style (Baker Bootleg and 2g). Kept it too real with people at the company and got into arguments, eventually got booted. They told him there was nothing he could do about it, that the brand owned this art/look and he had no grounds for a lawsuit. I think the main argument is that Reynolds was piling out during this era, and hadn't put in as much work as J had. So he felt cheated out of the company/any money that was deserved. J is a great guy, I feel like he was just too abrasive and didn't play nice like everyone does nowadays
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according to my friends who like graffiti everything cool in skateboarding was made by guys who like graffiti
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xPk did the first 900 under a bridge in seacaucus in 1991
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
As much as I admire and respect both, maybe not graffiti, but Beagle, definitely Shane Heyl.
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I love his landscapes with the elephant in them. Dudes dope
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
no, i live in an efficiency by myself and work in middle management like you, loser
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
no, i live in an efficiency by myself and work in middle management like you, loser
We're well aware that you spraypaint mattresses and donate plasma to survive i wasn't talking to you babygirl
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I'm a little too young to have memories of Baker's beginnings. Didn't know Bootleg existed until a couple years ago. I came in at Baker 2G and it defined my outlook on skating for years. I was wondering what J Strickland's role was with the company and how he dropped out of the picture? Was he still around for Baker 2G? I've checked a few search results but I got the strong feeling there's a lot of glossing over and covering up in those "public" accounts.
I’ve been holding my tongue for a while about J, but after a while in the industry I think some things need to be said on here, so here’s my story about J Strickland and why I think things went the way they did.
It was just around the time we were filming for Baker 2G- we saw J Strickland at a grocery store in Los Angeles. I told him how cool it was to see him shop for groceries and spray paint in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos of the session or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Anyway hope this clears some things up.
Do you copy and paste this every time or waste your time and write it out?
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
i’m not 40 yet but does doing presto pen tags every time i leave the house count as actively doing graffiti?
life is hard and confusing
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someone should ask reynolds about his elephant tattoo next time they see him..
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
no, i live in an efficiency by myself and work in middle management like you, loser
new bio just dropped lol
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
I try not to sag but I got foul formerly septic hips. Nearly all my partners have pointed out my lack of hips.
Sagging especially with a thicker belt is not good for skating.
I write sometimes. Mostly stickers tho. It's hard to stop communicating with the street.
I don't feel like we're losers. I feel like we're lucky.
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
life is hard and confusing
I know
Presto tags are to graff
As "freestyle is what I do when I'm not skating." -Frank
In 2024 new borns should be assigned and nom de plume at birth.
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I realize we're lo[bst]sers on a skateboarding forum but I gotta poll: do yall guys sag your pants and actively graffiti as 40 - 50 year olds?
life is hard and confusing
presto tags are the best
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I just know all of you are wearing bucket caps
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https://48blocks.com/j-strickland/
https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2012/03/19/hijinx-with-j-strickland/
And those are an accurate depiction of what went down yeah? Why do I feel like there's a bit more behind it? Has Reynolds ever spoken on this?
not really, which actually speaks volumes imo
i think andrew did great things with baker, i mean he's been running it for over 20 years now and it's always been relevant. i don't doubt that their general art direction was stolen from j though, that was back in the piss drunx era, they were all probably fucked up making these choices.
We interviewed Jay Strickland a couple years ago (Baker’s former creative director) and he was still unhappy about how things ended with him. Are you guys on good terms now?
I saw him in New York a few years ago. I don’t think it’s so much the situation that he got let go from Baker or whatever. I think it’s more of a personality thing that he’s not really able to let it go. It seems like he’s the type of person who, if someone dissed him at a taco shop or whatever he might never go there again. Like that whole situation was 15 years ago, it’s crazy. In New York we had a long, good talk but I don’t know, I’d totally be open to being cool again or whatever.
I mean regardless of whatever happened and what the truth is I think Andrew has absolutely nothing to gain and lots to lose by talking about the Strickland stuff, so I'm not surprised he hasn't. He either says "Yeah J was very important to the brand and I took his schtick and fired him" which looks awful or he says "actually J didn't do shit it was all me" which also looks awful. At this point J is just an ex-employee.
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I just know all of you are wearing bucket caps
I cannot. It's a bad look for me. I do Scully caps beanies. Those jeep hats are my number one.
When I do commit to a period of getting up I dress in clothes I'd never rock usually.
Graffiti and Street skating are kissing cousins.
Neither should be illegal
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I just know all of you are wearing bucket caps
+100% inability to allow another crew to dance near their laundromat
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fuck that guy
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
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I thought Andrew and J were maybe patching things up recently or did. J was posting a lot of old footy on his 1999Cult page on Instagram. He recently did a Transworld interview and he might not speak highly of Andrew but he didn’t show much or any resentment. Does everyone in this thread realize the 48 Blocks interview is from 2008? Not saying all their history should be brushed under the rug but things happen and people change over the years. Maybe the BAKER font was done as a project or bought from Strickland and we don’t have those exact details. Baker doesn't use the elephant logo and Strickland still runs it with a lot of his artwork. Reynolds was wearing a vintage Baker elephant shirt not too long ago. Thought maybe it was a subliminal message to a possible re release or him and J being cool.
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He used to post on here back in the day under his real name
Bootleg the company and the videos he produced under that banner were rad as hell.
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Paul Rand wasn't made an equal partner in IBM despite designing their iconic logo.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
lol. I love Reynolds at least as much as the next guy, but people really think he's a "visionary genius" - I find that a little hard to believe. Obviously he's a good business-man and has an eye for up and coming talent, but I'm not sure that puts one in the rank of "visionary genius."
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hasnt reynolds been kinda hit n miss with the "eye for up and coming talent" thing?
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Paul Rand wasn't made an equal partner in IBM despite designing their iconic logo.
Yep. And the reason people like the Baker logo is because of who and what it is associated with. Other companies could have better logos, but much less people care about them.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
lol. I love Reynolds at least as much as the next guy, but people really think he's a "visionary genius" - I find that a little hard to believe. Obviously he's a good business-man and has an eye for up and coming talent, but I'm not sure that puts one in the rank of "visionary genius."
I think at this point in time you could say that considering his legacy. You can be a visionary whether it's business, skateboarding, the business of skateboarding, etc. He's been pretty synonymous with the best talent in skateboarding since 2003 and it's 2023 and he's still showing he knows how to pick em and has influence let alone still shredding. Seems like a visionary to me.
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Sure, but the font isn't what's kept the business successful. No one gets by for decades just because they have a cool logo.
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In that case, should we rename this thread "Andrew Reynolds kook rip-off confirmed"? If all of what Steickland is saying is true, 90% of what makes Baker and is the basis for Reynolds' status is stolen.
This is a hilarious conclusion to arrive at.
It's only hilarious if you're a fanboy and have no real clue about the workings of the industry and what creates a brand. Reynolds without Baker would be what? Another really good skater in the pantheon, fading into oblivion. Instead, he's "The Boss" and everything from the Logo to the video opening melody is directly associated with him. People not only see him as a great skater but as a visionary genius who built one of if not the longest-relevant brand in skate history. If neither the logo nor the melody nor pretty much everything else what made Baker videos instantly unique is his creation, then he's not a visionary but just successfully copying and extending the formula he stole from somebody who's not getting anything out of it. That's also an achievement in itself, sure, but nowhere near as impressive, let alone anywhere near the genius status with which he is regarded.
I was assuming Strickland was lying in those interviews or at least omitting some pivotal moments. If that's not the case, well...
What melody are you referring to specifically? If it’s the one from Baker 3 on, that’s from Lou Reed “Street Hassle” and had nothing to do with J. Strickland. It’s associated with Reynolds/Baker, but they/he didn’t come up with that. It’s just another case of creative appropriation and juxtaposition.
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I thought Andrew and J were maybe patching things up recently or did. J was posting a lot of old footy on his 1999Cult page on Instagram. He recently did a Transworld interview and he might not speak highly of Andrew but he didn’t show much or any resentment. Does everyone in this thread realize the 48 Blocks interview is from 2008? Not saying all their history should be brushed under the rug but things happen and people change over the years. Maybe the BAKER font was done as a project or bought from Strickland and we don’t have those exact details. Baker doesn't use the elephant logo and Strickland still runs it with a lot of his artwork. Reynolds was wearing a vintage Baker elephant shirt not too long ago. Thought maybe it was a subliminal message to a possible re release or him and J being cool.
Not sure about his current relationship with Reynolds, but J is most definitely on good terms with Greco.
Almost every interview J does where the topic of the origins of Baker is brought up, he always makes a point to mention that Greco was one of the only people who had a hand in conceptualizing the overall aesthetic of the brand.
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I’m a Baker 2G guy but it’s seems like Baker 3 is most people’s favorite and cemented them in as a top brand. Strickland had nothing to do with that. And nothing since. They sell plenty of boards without the font. If Strickland was such a genius, and Reynolds wasn’t, then shouldn’t Bootleg still be around?
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Sure, but the font isn't what's kept the business successful. No one gets by for decades just because they have a cool logo.
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That’s fucked, man. But talk a little about your part in Baker2G? You definitely pulled out some shit on that one we’d never really seen from you before, was there a bit of a new spark there?
Yeah, there were a couple things in there that I was super psyched on but then there was some stuff in there that was just me skating.
I think a lot of my problems after Jump Off A Building came from just living in L.A. as I had never really intended to live there. It was never my plan to move to Cali. It just so happened that Erik was moving out of Elissa’s spot and he needed a roommate. Shit was kinda stale out in West Chester and I didn’t want to leave him hanging so I just did it. But living out in Cali was so unproductive for me. I could never really get into a rhythm. Not having a car for so long and having to depend on other people…. Add to that getting caught up in that lifestyle of chilling and partying, it gets you.
So what ended up happening to you and Baker? Why’d you switch over to their rival, Bootleg?
Things were just getting sour at Baker for me. The whole beef between Baker and Bootleg had started getting in-between the riders and it sucked. I knew all of the Bootleg dudes. I skated with Eldridge and the Team Manager all the time. Those were my homies. I lived with Elissa. Just about the whole damn Bootleg team were friends of mine, which started to become this thing with me and the Baker dudes. They started shitting on me.
I remember I was about to go on a trip to SF with Elissa to meet up with some dudes up there. But since it was technically a Bootleg trip, Baker started tripping on me.
Why did it turn so confrontational between those two companies?
Honestly, I don’t really know for certain. I just go off of what I’ve been able to piece together from everyone and what I got out of it was that it wasn’t even so much Drew as it was a few other dudes. The main sticking point was the fact that kids weren’t able to decipher the difference between the two companies. Art directors make way more fucking money than the pros do and these guys were pissed that J was basically getting paid twice to make the same graphics for both companies. They felt like what they were paying him to make graphics, he was making the same amount or more at Bootleg and kids still can’t tell them apart. They were hurt he was making all this dough and it was getting in Drew’s ear.
Things just got to a point where Drew had to do something about it so he cut J and that’s when shit got bitter. But it sucked because the whole thing when it started was Baker Bootleg. That’s was it was. It was always to be those two companies.
Looking back on it now, things probably started to turn early on when mugs wanted to put money into Bootleg and J refused, wanting to keep things separate. Keep Baker and Bootleg the same, but separate. That’s what really put a monkey wrench in the whole thing because it seemed like to those guys that this dude was out to fuck ‘em over. It just grew from there.
Read the entire interview
https://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/search/label/mike%20maldonado?m=0 (https://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/search/label/mike%20maldonado?m=0)
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Sure, but the font isn't what's kept the business successful. No one gets by for decades just because they have a cool logo.
Sure, but would it even be a brand without Jay making the logo and videos in the first place?
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
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yes i agree bootleg should still be around
It got a Life Extension (unfortunately)
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hasnt reynolds been kinda hit n miss with the "eye for up and coming talent" thing?
Sure there’s been some misses but I feel like the hits outweigh those easily. Random side note ; KB just posted on his story and tagged Baker saying they kicked of or let go Theotis. KB is also posting a lot of other random stuff that’s interesting if anyone wants to take a look.
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hasnt reynolds been kinda hit n miss with the "eye for up and coming talent" thing?
Sure there’s been some misses but I feel like the hits outweigh those easily. Random side note ; KB just posted on his story and tagged Baker saying they kicked of or let go Theotis. KB is also posting a lot of other random stuff that’s interesting if anyone wants to take a look.
Theo is blessed to have had a pro career as long as he has, let alone on Baker, but his time is up. Kader took his spot.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Eh.. to each his own.. Reynolds doesn’t have that “it” factor By himself.. pretty boring personality. Baker and PD crew give him an identity cause before he was doing his best to be like Muska and Penny.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Eh.. to each his own.. Reynolds doesn’t have that “it” factor By himself.. pretty boring personality. Baker and PD crew give him an identity cause before he was doing his best to be like Muska and Penny.
Bowl cut, bucket hat, baggey pants and beautiful kickflips Reynolds? I thought he had “it” when I was 14. He was also what 19 maybe 20 in the footy from The End.
He hadn’t even started hucking frontside flips of everything yet and he was already a G.
I’ll admit he doesn’t have much of a personality and personally I would call him a nerd from the outside looking in. But his skating does the talking period.
As lame as it sounds Reynolds was in the first THPS with Muska you can’t say he didn’t have “it.”
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Have to agree- look at how many companies have sunk without some sort of instantly recognisable branding, I think regardless of team and steering the vibe in a certain direction, especially for kids who are buying the most shit (I’ve always assumed) sometbing like that big B and the logo text boards are a massive part of the company.
I think that’s why companies like Uma haven’t boomed, numbers etc- whilst FA and affiliates have. You instantly recognise that stuff in videos.
In the eta baker got big it was all kinda similar, simple but noticeable branding- Flip, Zero, Toy, etc
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Every couple years the same discussion.
Got Strickland get enough money for his sketches/ filming - absolutely not.
Going back to 1998 you guys think Baker Bootleg video
become a classic because of Stricklands art work, & filming.
No! I know nobody back then who really cared about the logo / filming.
It was interesting because it was a posse approach - not the next birdhouse video - some homies skating together - dirty and rough - no matter the team, pro or not.
Greco, Boulala, Reynolds, Kirchard, Dollin, Warner Ave Mob, Elissa - you think all this people got properly paid for the skating and lifestyle shots. Not at all.
So since Reynolds had no property on the logo - Strickland had any on the footage?
It was just documentation of a period of time.
And some of the parties involved agreed to publish without no rewards or compensation.
Majority of the people didn’t get anything out of it: Lil Eric, Ali Cairns, Brian Sumner, Jeff Lenoce, Willy Santos, Atiba, Coung, Tung, Marcelle, Brad Hayes, Tony Hawk, Sammy Baptista, Primo, Brian Emmers and manny more where also part of that „hype“.
At one point Andrew and Strickland decide to create a company out of it. So both put on the table what they had: The logo, the face, the backside flip.
One becomes the owner - one the team manager and filmer. Then they decide to split. Andrew was staying as a owner - and Strickland is pissed because he think he gave more then he receive from the company.
This is the story of every disillusional employee ever.
You can not discuss / complain your salary after leaving. You need to fix it before starting.
If it was all about his creative output - why he didn’t start the company himself without Reynolds- or why he just didn’t hired Reynolds - as Tony / birdhouse have done it.
Because Strickland didt had the money to start it himself and because just the label is not enough.
The team behind baker has defined baker.
For sure he didn’t get enough money out from one of skateboarding strongest iconic labels.
But this is the story of every graphic designer and his first good works they have done.
To be honest I was not a fan of the video 1998 - because I was surrounded by harder and tougher Lifestyle back then. I was already focused to getting my stuff done properly. Kids showing off being pissdrunk was plain stupid to me.
But later the development of Baker as a team and brand - Reynolds character development.
But also Stricklands feel for new way of documentation got me.
Looking back I appreciate the work of both.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Eh.. to each his own.. Reynolds doesn’t have that “it” factor By himself.. pretty boring personality. Baker and PD crew give him an identity cause before he was doing his best to be like Muska and Penny.
Bowl cut, bucket hat, baggey pants and beautiful kickflips Reynolds? I thought he had “it” when I was 14. He was also what 19 maybe 20 in the footy from The End.
He hadn’t even started hucking frontside flips of everything yet and he was already a G.
I’ll admit he doesn’t have much of a personality and personally I would call him a nerd from the outside looking in. But his skating does the talking period.
As lame as it sounds Reynolds was in the first THPS with Muska you can’t say he didn’t have “it.”
Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I never said he didn’t have “it” skating wise… I’m talking about personality and marketability wise… He’s just a good skater but other than that boring… Baker scene helped him tremendously.
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Sure, but the font isn't what's kept the business successful. No one gets by for decades just because they have a cool logo.
Sure, but would it even be a brand without Jay making the logo and videos in the first place?
Yeah, I think so, would just be different
The logo is iconic now but that's because it's stood the test of time. People weren't wowed by it when it came out, it was just a shitty stencil graphic that fit the vibe. How come this argument only comes up with Baker and J and not the countless other companies that had their logos designed by artists?
Should J have been taken care of more financially and probably been given some sort of ownership percentage because of his work early in the brand? Yeah, probably, but to act like the brands entire success came solely from him is silly.
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Majority of the people didn’t get anything out of it: Lil Eric, Ali Cairns, Brian Sumner, Jeff Lenoce, Willy Santos, Atiba, Coung, Tung, Marcelle, Brad Hayes, Tony Hawk, Sammy Baptista, Primo, Brian Emmers and manny more where also part of that „hype“.
lol u really know that video well! I havent seen it in a long time but i remember all of these parts ;D
boulala's part actually really good in that video but the rest of it is whatever
the bootleg 3000 video was WAY ahead of its time imo, way more long lense shots and the way its edited with so much slo mo was really dope. its mostly all instrumentals too which is dope. OH also the most key thing about this video - it doesnt use hardly ANY known spots. most of the spots from that video THEY put on the map.
I wouldnt say reynolds OWES J or anything silly like that but i think reynolds himself several times has acknowledged that the entire Baker brand idea wouldnt have happened without J. as someone else said if J was truly this amazing businessman or w/e then bootleg would have still been around. You cant say he didnt have top talent, trepasso, grant patterson, scott kane, etc.
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Every couple years the same discussion.
Got Strickland get enough money for his sketches/ filming - absolutely not.
Going back to 1998 you guys think Baker Bootleg video
become a classic because of Stricklands art work, & filming.
No! I know nobody back then who really cared about the logo / filming.
It was interesting because it was a posse approach - not the next birdhouse video - some homies skating together - dirty and rough - no matter the team, pro or not.
Greco, Boulala, Reynolds, Kirchard, Dollin, Warner Ave Mob, Elissa - you think all this people got properly paid for the skating and lifestyle shots. Not at all.
So since Reynolds had no property on the logo - Strickland had any on the footage?
It was just documentation of a period of time.
And some of the parties involved agreed to publish without no rewards or compensation.
Majority of the people didn’t get anything out of it: Lil Eric, Ali Cairns, Brian Sumner, Jeff Lenoce, Willy Santos, Atiba, Coung, Tung, Marcelle, Brad Hayes, Tony Hawk, Sammy Baptista, Primo, Brian Emmers and manny more where also part of that „hype“.
At one point Andrew and Strickland decide to create a company out of it. So both put on the table what they had: The logo, the face, the backside flip.
One becomes the owner - one the team manager and filmer. Then they decide to split. Andrew was staying as a owner - and Strickland is pissed because he think he gave more then he receive from the company.
This is the story of every disillusional employee ever.
You can not discuss / complain your salary after leaving. You need to fix it before starting.
If it was all about his creative output - why he didn’t start the company himself without Reynolds- or why he just didn’t hired Reynolds - as Tony / birdhouse have done it.
Because Strickland didt had the money to start it himself and because just the label is not enough.
The team behind baker has defined baker.
For sure he didn’t get enough money out from one of skateboarding strongest iconic labels.
But this is the story of every graphic designer and his first good works they have done.
To be honest I was not a fan of the video 1998 - because I was surrounded by harder and tougher Lifestyle back then. I was already focused to getting my stuff done properly. Kids showing off being pissdrunk was plain stupid to me.
But later the development of Baker as a team and brand - Reynolds character development.
But also Stricklands feel for new way of documentation got me.
Looking back I appreciate the work of both.
This is pretty much how I saw it from my perspective as a random teenaged skater at that time.
Birdhouse came through my town around '98, Reynolds, Kirchart, Appleyard, a couple others, and J Strickland was the BH TM maybe? They partied at a house we were at and me and my friends were beyond hyped to be hanging out with those dudes. Heath clowned me for my Volcom t-shirt, pretty legendary move.
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I dont think Appleyard was ever on birdhouse...? he was on habitat flow and then went to flip...
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I dont think Appleyard was ever on birdhouse...? he was on habitat flow and then went to flip...
Yeah, he was mingling with the Birdhouse team for a bit. Don't think he was ever announced as am officially, though. This was when he was coming up and was getting courted by different sponsors.
Appleyard told a story in an am checkout interview about how he went to the Birdhouse TM (who was most likely Strickland at the time) and asked him for a bit of money to get by (this when he was the talk of the town), and Strickland laughed at him in return. That in turn soured Appleyard on the Birdhouse team.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Eh.. to each his own.. Reynolds doesn’t have that “it” factor By himself.. pretty boring personality. Baker and PD crew give him an identity cause before he was doing his best to be like Muska and Penny.
Bowl cut, bucket hat, baggey pants and beautiful kickflips Reynolds? I thought he had “it” when I was 14. He was also what 19 maybe 20 in the footy from The End.
He hadn’t even started hucking frontside flips of everything yet and he was already a G.
I’ll admit he doesn’t have much of a personality and personally I would call him a nerd from the outside looking in. But his skating does the talking period.
As lame as it sounds Reynolds was in the first THPS with Muska you can’t say he didn’t have “it.”
Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I never said he didn’t have “it” skating wise… I’m talking about personality and marketability wise… He’s just a good skater but other than that boring… Baker scene helped him tremendously.
You don’t need personality or marketing when you’re the best at something
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/TSVTBuKrALI/AAAAAAAAMCA/Rmt-8qSts-o/s1600/bossatibacoverseqchrome.jpg)
This shit sells itself.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Thank you.
When Birdhouse - The End dropped, his part was everybody’s favourite that I spoke to. Certainly mine.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
This is some revisionist history shit here
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It's clearly bullshit posted by someone who wasn't alive at the time or paid no attention to turn of the millennium era skateboarding.
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Reynolds had the eye for talented skaters that kept the brand thriving long after Strickland was out of the picture, though. Baker’s beginning image was just silly without great skating to go with it anyway.
Agree with reynolds having the eye for talent, but the actual font was Jays creation and it’s undoubtedly the most iconic logo board the brand has. This is coming from a massive reynolds fan, but facts are facts.
Sure, but the font isn't what's kept the business successful. No one gets by for decades just because they have a cool logo.
Sure, but would it even be a brand without Jay making the logo and videos in the first place?
Yeah, I think so, would just be different
The logo is iconic now but that's because it's stood the test of time. People weren't wowed by it when it came out, it was just a shitty stencil graphic that fit the vibe. How come this argument only comes up with Baker and J and not the countless other companies that had their logos designed by artists?
Should J have been taken care of more financially and probably been given some sort of ownership percentage because of his work early in the brand? Yeah, probably, but to act like the brands entire success came solely from him is silly.
I agree mate, I just think that J having zero recognition is quite disingenuous on Bakers behalf. You are absolutely right though, of course the brand’s success is not all because of him.
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Majority of the people didn’t get anything out of it: Lil Eric, Ali Cairns, Brian Sumner, Jeff Lenoce, Willy Santos, Atiba, Coung, Tung, Marcelle, Brad Hayes, Tony Hawk, Sammy Baptista, Primo, Brian Emmers and manny more where also part of that „hype“.
lol u really know that video well! I havent seen it in a long time but i remember all of these parts ;D
boulala's part actually really good in that video but the rest of it is whatever
May I was not clear - I mean financial- they didn’t get anything out of it. because Strickland is/ or was claiming Reynolds ripped him off.
May they had fun doing it. I hope so.
This video was done by Strickland before the company was a thing - and all this people didn’t get any financial
kick back. This was the special thing it was a homie video with some not so known and some superstars fooling around - that was making it - back then a Feeling good video. Not for me - but for my friends in the skate house I lived - they watch the video on heavy rotation.
As said before back then I was not interested in Strickland, Birdhouse, Baker or Reynolds. No daubt some good tricks in it - but I don’t gave a fuck about the vibe - I was busy praising Cardiel, Senn, Stranger, Gonz, Alan. New guys on the radar 1998 was Arto - lucky me was witnessing live his first contest summer in Basel, Montpellier and Munster - had s couple of sessions at the same time / place he got better and better each week it was incredible. same summer I was lucky to skate some 5 stairs in a night session with Ed and Brian who won later Munster. This where the new guys to me I was hyped about.
Reynolds was like Willy Santos with an alcohol problem. Supergood but some ugly fool skating for Tony. I exactly remember that some kid in my local park walks up to me and told me straight in the face that in his opinion Willy santos and Reynolds where the best skaters - I was thinking he just said that to provocate me.
I was thinking about to beat him - but he was smaller and younger then me - so this was not an option - so I choose to leave the park in disagreement.
I am not proud about it but my approach to skateboarding back then was as Bo Turner as possible.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Eh.. to each his own.. Reynolds doesn’t have that “it” factor By himself.. pretty boring personality. Baker and PD crew give him an identity cause before he was doing his best to be like Muska and Penny.
Bowl cut, bucket hat, baggey pants and beautiful kickflips Reynolds? I thought he had “it” when I was 14. He was also what 19 maybe 20 in the footy from The End.
He hadn’t even started hucking frontside flips of everything yet and he was already a G.
I’ll admit he doesn’t have much of a personality and personally I would call him a nerd from the outside looking in. But his skating does the talking period.
As lame as it sounds Reynolds was in the first THPS with Muska you can’t say he didn’t have “it.”
Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I never said he didn’t have “it” skating wise… I’m talking about personality and marketability wise… He’s just a good skater but other than that boring… Baker scene helped him tremendously.
You don’t need personality or marketing when you’re the best at something
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This shit sells itself.
I’d say Reynolds is a pretty interesting guy and a skate rat/nerd which is probably why most of us like him besides his talent. I get what you’re saying though. Even Reynolds himself though has said he surrounds himself with exciting and different people so he’s not so boring. He might not have the flare of Muska or the mystique of Tom but Reynolds skating and crew is definitely gravitating.
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I always found the fact that Reynolds didn’t have some phony, affected look to be one of the more interesting things about him.
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They changed the logo for about year around Baker 3 era
https://bakerskateboards.com/pages/ads-04
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They changed the logo for about year around Baker 3 era
https://bakerskateboards.com/pages/ads-04
Not saying Strickland deserves all the credit but that logo does look like ass. There's a reason they went back.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
There is literally a skateboarding hall of fame already.
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Reynolds could have created a board company with literally any art direction and it would have been successful. He's been one of, if not THE most productive pro from his era, and he's widely considered one of the best to ever do it. J Strickland should consider himself lucky to have been involved in Baker at all, but taking any credit for its success is straight tomfoolery.
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Reynolds will be in the hall of fame if there ever is one but dude really doesn’t have the “it” factor like Muska or Penny (both of whom he wanted to be like) did. He only became “cool” during the whole Baker2g PD era until Baker 3. He’s a pretty boring dude and the J.Strickland era Baker helped his skate career enormously, after that it’s whatever.
Reynolds has been cool as fuck since around the time he had the Scream, Resident Evil and Goosebumps boards, or, alternatively, the first notes of organ doner hit.
Eh.. to each his own.. Reynolds doesn’t have that “it” factor By himself.. pretty boring personality. Baker and PD crew give him an identity cause before he was doing his best to be like Muska and Penny.
Bowl cut, bucket hat, baggey pants and beautiful kickflips Reynolds? I thought he had “it” when I was 14. He was also what 19 maybe 20 in the footy from The End.
He hadn’t even started hucking frontside flips of everything yet and he was already a G.
I’ll admit he doesn’t have much of a personality and personally I would call him a nerd from the outside looking in. But his skating does the talking period.
As lame as it sounds Reynolds was in the first THPS with Muska you can’t say he didn’t have “it.”
Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I never said he didn’t have “it” skating wise… I’m talking about personality and marketability wise… He’s just a good skater but other than that boring… Baker scene helped him tremendously.
You don’t need personality or marketing when you’re the best at something
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/TSVTBuKrALI/AAAAAAAAMCA/Rmt-8qSts-o/s1600/bossatibacoverseqchrome.jpg)
This shit sells itself.
yeah, with Muska I can kinda see your point, but it’s not like Penny was ever out there with his personality; he just let his skating do the talking …
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I always found the fact that Reynolds didn’t have some phony, affected look to be one of the more interesting things about him.
What do you think PissDrunx was? All them dudes went from Muska and Penny impersonators to Johnny Thunders, Sid Vicious, and Johnny Rotten wannabes overnight. I’m not hating on Drew or PD whatsoever, I’m just saying without that image they portrayed Baker wouldn’t have lasted as long as it has. After J left the company the skating carried them along to where it is today. When it came out it was something different for kids to identify with who weren’t into hip-hop (Philly shit), metal (zero), or hesh (anti-hero). All I’m saying is without the EARLY “baker/PD” thing and Js vision Drew wouldn’t have been able to carry a company for this long… Baker was cool in the early days but imo fell off when Baker 3 came out… it wasn’t raw anymore and too “polished” the skating was good but you can tell they tried to keep the same vision J had when making 2g but that shit wasn’t the same… J does have a hand in the early success of Baker. Shit is what it is. I’m rolling with what Maldonado said tho. It was initially “Baker Bootleg” when it just came out and was a sticker… it was supposed to be two different companies yet separate but since J was doing the artwork for both you really couldn’t tell the two apart. They were that similar and J was making double the money so Drew had to let him go and that’s that.
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I dont think Appleyard was ever on birdhouse...? he was on habitat flow and then went to flip...
that's true, I should've clarified. They were definitely all on a trip together but maybe not strictly Birdhouse guys.
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He was on birdhouse
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there was a story on someone's (lenoce's?) nine club about apples wearing basketball shorts all the time while traveling w/ birdhouse and then heath hiding them or throwing them away or something and apples getting butthurt.
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Bummed I misspelt donor
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organ doner
Bummed I misspelt donor
Gonna be honest, Organ Doner sounds pretty offal to me. 🤮
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He was on birdhouse
Thank you. I have definitely seen it mentioned in other interviews as well. Quality control on Slap skate nerd facts is going downhill.
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Majority of the people didn’t get anything out of it: Lil Eric, Ali Cairns, Brian Sumner, Jeff Lenoce, Willy Santos, Atiba, Coung, Tung, Marcelle, Brad Hayes, Tony Hawk, Sammy Baptista, Primo, Brian Emmers and manny more where also part of that „hype“.
lol u really know that video well! I havent seen it in a long time but i remember all of these parts ;D
boulala's part actually really good in that video but the rest of it is whatever
May I was not clear - I mean financial- they didn’t get anything out of it. because Strickland is/ or was claiming Reynolds ripped him off.
May they had fun doing it. I hope so.
This video was done by Strickland before the company was a thing - and all this people didn’t get any financial
kick back. This was the special thing it was a homie video with some not so known and some superstars fooling around - that was making it - back then a Feeling good video. Not for me - but for my friends in the skate house I lived - they watch the video on heavy rotation.
As said before back then I was not interested in Strickland, Birdhouse, Baker or Reynolds. No daubt some good tricks in it - but I don’t gave a fuck about the vibe - I was busy praising Cardiel, Senn, Stranger, Gonz, Alan. New guys on the radar 1998 was Arto - lucky me was witnessing live his first contest summer in Basel, Montpellier and Munster - had s couple of sessions at the same time / place he got better and better each week it was incredible. same summer I was lucky to skate some 5 stairs in a night session with Ed and Brian who won later Munster. This where the new guys to me I was hyped about.
Reynolds was like Willy Santos with an alcohol problem. Supergood but some ugly fool skating for Tony. I exactly remember that some kid in my local park walks up to me and told me straight in the face that in his opinion Willy santos and Reynolds where the best skaters - I was thinking he just said that to provocate me.
I was thinking about to beat him - but he was smaller and younger then me - so this was not an option - so I choose to leave the park in disagreement.
I am not proud about it but my approach to skateboarding back then was as Bo Turner as possible.
So you would say your skating was Bo Turner-esque?
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Majority of the people didn’t get anything out of it: Lil Eric, Ali Cairns, Brian Sumner, Jeff Lenoce, Willy Santos, Atiba, Coung, Tung, Marcelle, Brad Hayes, Tony Hawk, Sammy Baptista, Primo, Brian Emmers and manny more where also part of that „hype“.
lol u really know that video well! I havent seen it in a long time but i remember all of these parts ;D
boulala's part actually really good in that video but the rest of it is whatever
May I was not clear - I mean financial- they didn’t get anything out of it. because Strickland is/ or was claiming Reynolds ripped him off.
May they had fun doing it. I hope so.
This video was done by Strickland before the company was a thing - and all this people didn’t get any financial
kick back. This was the special thing it was a homie video with some not so known and some superstars fooling around - that was making it - back then a Feeling good video. Not for me - but for my friends in the skate house I lived - they watch the video on heavy rotation.
As said before back then I was not interested in Strickland, Birdhouse, Baker or Reynolds. No daubt some good tricks in it - but I don’t gave a fuck about the vibe - I was busy praising Cardiel, Senn, Stranger, Gonz, Alan. New guys on the radar 1998 was Arto - lucky me was witnessing live his first contest summer in Basel, Montpellier and Munster - had s couple of sessions at the same time / place he got better and better each week it was incredible. same summer I was lucky to skate some 5 stairs in a night session with Ed and Brian who won later Munster. This where the new guys to me I was hyped about.
Reynolds was like Willy Santos with an alcohol problem. Supergood but some ugly fool skating for Tony. I exactly remember that some kid in my local park walks up to me and told me straight in the face that in his opinion Willy santos and Reynolds where the best skaters - I was thinking he just said that to provocate me.
I was thinking about to beat him - but he was smaller and younger then me - so this was not an option - so I choose to leave the park in disagreement.
I am not proud about it but my approach to skateboarding back then was as Bo Turner as possible.
No I woud not say it that way.
I thought more about my approach being very Anti concerning new trends, outspoken, and having anger issues.
But if I compare my 98 skating with his 91 memory screen part - fakie ollies down everything, big Ollie’s and backside Ollie’s - i can see some parallel.
Everything which really matters to me happen between 87-94. - after that it took me 10 years to accept that skateboarding have changed… and get interested again into new kids.
Now I am old - skating only with kids half my age - having big fun and think it was never better then today.
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He was on birdhouse
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I have seen this so many times too
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