My friend skates loose as fuck trucks, and he last September he bought some Indys, I dont know which stage, but they were 149, back when they were still 8.25. He was skating them for about 3 weeks, and all the time he was complaining about the turning. I tried to roll on his board few times, but I almost wasnt able to drop the quarter in skatepark, they were that shitty. I have never had Indys myself, I rode a lot of friends boards with them, and never liked them. On the other side, I skate Thunders, with those white stock bushings, I dont know if they are soft or whatever, but they are super sick, and they broke in on the first session. And this is my fourth pair of Thunders in a row, and bushings were always great.