K gets it.
Realdeal- YOU ARE FUCKING regular. It is very clear that the north DID NOT FIGHT TO END SLAVERY. The South fought to preserve it. The north fought to preserve the union and to prevent all of the economic and political issues that would come of secession. In fact, the Emancipation Proclamation was given with the reason that freeing slaves would destroy the economic engine of the southern war effort, and as everybody knows, it only applied to states in rebellion. To say that slavery was a manufactured reason for the war invented by the north is completely ignorant of fact. It was the real reason the SOUTH started the civil war, as the Vice President of the Confederacy stated several posts of mine ago. You know that right? The south started it? Seems like a basic thing but your narrative ignores that entirely. Go start a regular conspiracy thread about the Rothschilds and stop arguing about real history.
Lincoln didn't ignore the constitution with habeas corpus, which clearly states that it must remain during peace time though it can, and has, been lifted during war, even though I do agree it was not a good move and was very authoritarian. Drafts suck, and like every other American war, the civil war was a rich man's fight but a poor man's battle and there were tons of class related rebellions on BOTH sides. But If you think the south was doing anything different you are crazy. Again though, the reason it was a rich man's war was because of the relationship of slavery to the economy in both the north and south. It was considered total war, meaning all of the resources and manpower of both sides went to the war. I'm not saying it was a wonderful thing and that war is awesome. I've been pretty consistent in not thinking that. What I am saying is that this war was fought to maintain the "Peculiar institution" by the south.
AOL/Time Warner is a foreign company? Really? AOL/Time Warner is American as fuck, and definitely is one of the small interests that controls a great deal of American media. Saying its all lies is a stupid conspiracy theorist approach to it though. I could get into the proper way to read documents like that, but it would take a lot of text. It comes down to this- the media doesn't lie to maintain MIC control and all of that, they simply only tell the parts of the story they like to further their agenda. If there is other information, it should also be presented. If it is as flawed as you think it is, then you should be able to actually take it down point by point, but if you can't, simply saying "don't trust that" isn't really fair. Besides, it wasn't the main point of my argument.
If you want though I could get into support of my point by people like prize winning Civil War historian Eric Foner, who I believe is the head of the history department at Columbia, specializes in the civil war, was named the head of the American Historical association in 2000, as well as one of the "500 professors who hate America" for his teach-ins at Columbia against the Iraq war. No links though, I actually read his books.
Not that any of that matters though, as you still can't explain why the south didn't fight the civil war over slavery, even though the Vice President of the Confederacy claimed it did. I just tend to believe the guy who was 2nd in command of their government a bit more than a guy obsessed with the Rothschilds living 150 years later. Just me though.
In a similar way that supporting or validating the Nazis is supporting and validating the holocaust, supporting or validating the confederacy is supporting and validating slavery.That was the beginning of this argument- Does supporting the confederacy mean supporting slavery? The answer is a clear YES.
And yes, there were all sorts of economic reasons the south supported slavery, including the value of using 100% stolen labor to produce goods that would be lost, but that is still slavery as a reason.
In the end, SLAVERY was the reason the Confederate states.
Oh, and this "I'm not ridiculing others for not learning..." bullshit is stupid. I personally believe people should have to defend their claims, and if you don't know what is being discussed, I go with "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you the fool than open it and remove all doubt." I don't know shit about music, hence, no arguments from me in music
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