Author Topic: Name a rapper better than Mos Def in his prime (Read 7705 times)

beatifk · « **Reply #30 on:** April 01, 2019, 05:12:45 AM »

I'm gonna get a lot of hate but at his peak Cam'ron was something special. He created a whole lifestyle which dominated NYC for years. I still listen to Purple Haze often. His rhymes are simple and pretty stupid most of the time, but every once in a while he'll throw something into a verse that shows just how sharp he actually is. That's what I think is great about Cam, his ignorance is all a show and he was the best at boasting about shit which is a cornerstone of rap.

OH, and Big L was great too.

Also, how are people talking about wu-tang but not mentioning GZA. Liquid Swords is easily lyrically/conceptually my favorite wu record.

to me Mos Def was always more of a musician than a rapper, if that makes any sense. He's a great lyricist, don't get me wrong, but he used his voice to create melody more often than to display his clever wordplay or imagery.

jerrygurneyscream · « **Reply #31 on:** April 02, 2019, 12:31:19 PM »

well off gs era TK

feedmeseymour · « **Reply #32 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:25:20 PM »

personal taste but del. im sure someone will get upset by that one.

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #33 on:** April 02, 2019, 01:32:22 PM »

Thread title sounds like there'd be no mumble rap allowed.

Gray Imp Sausage Metal · « **Reply #34 on:** April 02, 2019, 06:12:05 PM »

Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on April 02, 2019, 01:32:22 PM

Thread title sounds like there'd be no mumble rap allowed.

well, we surely aren't letting people mention riff riff in here!

Iceman · « **Reply #35 on:** April 02, 2019, 06:18:45 PM »

a+ for the thread idea. hip hop is a topic deeply connected to my heart. mos def never caught my attention, probably because he's after my time, but i appreciate vhs' passion for him along with some of the mentions by other slappers. here's a sampling of some that i would consider for the best lyricist crown:

rakim
kool g
krs
big l
slick rick
mc lyte
big daddy kane
nas
ll cool j
biggie

topblagger · « **Reply #36 on:** April 06, 2019, 04:36:29 AM »

Jehst.
Lyrically his stuff on Dragon of an Ordinary Family is amazing.
In my opinion a lot of his stuff has yet to be bettered.

hip bruise · « **Reply #37 on:** April 06, 2019, 05:26:15 AM »

way too much singing for a “rapper” not named Biz, Nas, or Q-tip.
that slick rick cover was an atrocity.
had to be in a group with one of the most overrated mcs of all time to sound good.
come on.

Abyss1 · « **Reply #38 on:** April 08, 2019, 08:36:17 AM »

Quote from: Iceman on April 02, 2019, 06:18:45 PM

a+ for the thread idea. hip hop is a topic deeply connected to my heart. mos def never caught my attention, probably because he's after my time, but i appreciate vhs' passion for him along with some of the mentions by other slappers. here's a sampling of some that i would consider for the best lyricist crown:

rakim
kool g
krs
big l
slick rick
mc lyte
big daddy kane
nas
ll cool j
biggie

Slick Rick has some of the best underated rymes this track he does with mos is pretty sick

Probably my favorite all time slick rick tune (think is was in transworld part for Pontus Alv)

puff daddy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 09, 2019, 12:17:17 AM »

Quote from: beatifk on April 01, 2019, 05:12:45 AM

I'm gonna get a lot of hate but at his peak Cam'ron was something special. He created a whole lifestyle which dominated NYC for years. I still listen to Purple Haze often. His rhymes are simple and pretty stupid most of the time, but every once in a while he'll throw something into a verse that shows just how sharp he actually is. That's what I think is great about Cam, his ignorance is all a show and he was the best at boasting about shit which is a cornerstone of rap.

OH, and Big L was great too.

Also, how are people talking about wu-tang but not mentioning GZA. Liquid Swords is easily lyrically/conceptually my favorite wu record.

to me Mos Def was always more of a musician than a rapper, if that makes any sense. He's a great lyricist, don't get me wrong, but he used his voice to create melody more often than to display his clever wordplay or imagery.

im glad someone brought up camron he never gets enough credit for actually being a talented rapper

the obvious answer is playboi carti tho

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #40 on:** April 09, 2019, 02:48:01 AM »

Quote from: puff daddy on April 09, 2019, 12:17:17 AM

Quote from: beatifk on April 01, 2019, 05:12:45 AM
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I'm gonna get a lot of hate but at his peak Cam'ron was something special. He created a whole lifestyle which dominated NYC for years. I still listen to Purple Haze often. His rhymes are simple and pretty stupid most of the time, but every once in a while he'll throw something into a verse that shows just how sharp he actually is. That's what I think is great about Cam, his ignorance is all a show and he was the best at boasting about shit which is a cornerstone of rap.

OH, and Big L was great too.

Also, how are people talking about wu-tang but not mentioning GZA. Liquid Swords is easily lyrically/conceptually my favorite wu record.

to me Mos Def was always more of a musician than a rapper, if that makes any sense. He's a great lyricist, don't get me wrong, but he used his voice to create melody more often than to display his clever wordplay or imagery.
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im glad someone brought up camron he never gets enough credit for actually being a talented rapper

the obvious answer is playboi carti tho

Right?

casper · « **Reply #41 on:** April 09, 2019, 05:55:26 PM »

Mac Dre

ChuckRamone · « **Reply #42 on:** April 09, 2019, 06:14:07 PM »

JB · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2019, 10:05:36 AM »

straight · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2019, 10:22:29 AM »

roba · « **Reply #45 on:** April 17, 2019, 11:20:15 PM »

andre 3k

Black Frycook · « **Reply #46 on:** April 26, 2019, 11:52:12 PM »

Retchy P

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #47 on:** April 27, 2019, 02:40:15 AM »

Quote from: silhouette on March 28, 2019, 04:46:21 PM

No KRS mention?

Cant believe people can like Krs1. -such a cock!-
For entertainment check out Stars podcast on yt. He exposes Krs1's massive fuck ups. Krs1 gave an interview talking about teen age victims in the Africa Boombata case and gave some eye opening quotes. Go watch Krs1s video "13 and good" -that shit is quite a bit 'off' too. He was close to Boombata too all thru those times in question. I always hated krs1 since the late 80s so i was giddy about his bad press.

_UniversalTruth_ · « **Reply #48 on:** April 27, 2019, 04:58:37 AM »

I like the social criticism in these lyrics, so deep and poetic

givecigstosurfgroms · « **Reply #49 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:02:07 AM »

People get tounge in cheek about lil b but he was a visionary. More influence on the last 8 years of rap then anyone.

waltercronkite · « **Reply #50 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:21:53 AM »

Wild idea that mos def is the best mc even though I like him.

3 stacks end thread

Also how many wu members are people going to say before they say Gza wtf somebody really said Rza

SpankerChief · « **Reply #51 on:** May 07, 2019, 12:02:27 PM »

okay i'll give this a shot Big L he had skills and such a shorter career the Mos Def

Deputy Wendell · « **Reply #52 on:** May 07, 2019, 12:37:14 PM »

not sure how you landed on Mos Def for this, seems pretty random, but we all have our own perspectives--i'm sure generation and location tie into this...either way, as far as i'm concerned, Freddie Gibbs is the best since Nas on Illmatic and Mobb Deep on The Infamous...grown-ass man stories, the most solid rhymes ever, and all framed in the experienced space of a deindustrialized city (Gary, IN) which those of us in Detroit can't help but to feel here in the "Rust Belt"...Pinata has been on repeat since it fucking came out...

SpankerChief · « **Reply #53 on:** May 07, 2019, 05:21:43 PM »

Quote from: givecigstosurfgroms on April 27, 2019, 02:40:15 AM

Quote from: silhouette on March 28, 2019, 04:46:21 PM
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No KRS mention?
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Cant believe people can like Krs1. -such a cock!-
For entertainment check out Stars podcast on yt. He exposes Krs1's massive fuck ups. Krs1 gave an interview talking about teen age victims in the Africa Boombata case and gave some eye opening quotes. Go watch Krs1s video "13 and good" -that shit is quite a bit 'off' too. He was close to Boombata too all thru those times in question. I always hated krs1 since the late 80s so i was giddy about his bad press.

link please
I am lazy and tried and am frustrated, i don't give a shit about celebrity but that podcast sounds interesting

Crack Whore · « **Reply #54 on:** May 09, 2019, 06:25:32 PM »

anybody in wu tang

VHS ERA · « **Reply #55 on:** May 12, 2019, 05:55:54 PM »

Black Thought, Biggie, and Andre 3000 are solid responses. I almost made this thread for Black Thought. I think Mos could keep up with any one of them. I only have proof for one.

Actually I feel robbed that we never got a 3 Stacks x Mos Def collab because they are a perfect match of creativity lyricism and flow

VHS ERA · « **Reply #56 on:** May 12, 2019, 06:00:35 PM »

Quote from: Crack Whore on May 09, 2019, 06:25:32 PM

anybody in wu tang

Lmao did you forget how many people there are in Wu Tang? You could make a case for 2-3 of them tops. ODB and Rza? Gtfoh

VHS ERA · « **Reply #57 on:** May 12, 2019, 06:06:29 PM »

Quote from: Deputy Wendell on May 07, 2019, 12:37:14 PM

not sure how you landed on Mos Def for this, seems pretty random, but we all have our own perspectives--i'm sure generation and location tie into this...either way, as far as i'm concerned, Freddie Gibbs is the best since Nas on Illmatic and Mobb Deep on The Infamous...grown-ass man stories, the most solid rhymes ever, and all framed in the experienced space of a deindustrialized city (Gary, IN) which those of us in Detroit can't help but to feel here in the "Rust Belt"...Pinata has been on repeat since it fucking came out...

Nobody who’s heard Black On Both Sides or Black Star would say this is random. Dude is A1 elite MC. Freddie is a way more random name to claim as the greatest. I fuck with Piñata heavy though.

Reminder that I’m not saying Mos is the GOAT. He doesn’t have the consistency or longevity because he doesn’t care, but that in his prime, or when he’s really going in, no one is better.

VHS ERA · « **Reply #58 on:** May 12, 2019, 06:10:31 PM »

Quote from: hip bruise on April 06, 2019, 05:26:15 AM

way too much singing for a “rapper” not named Biz, Nas, or Q-tip.
that slick rick cover was an atrocity.
had to be in a group with one of the most overrated mcs of all time to sound good.
come on.

Mos sings better than most those dudes you named tho. Talib is a legend and Train of Thought is better than your favorite rap album.

theSketchLord · « **Reply #59 on:** May 17, 2019, 10:38:44 AM »

Jehst.

Author Topic: Name a rapper better than Mos Def in his prime (Read 7705 times)

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