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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: GMann on May 13, 2020, 07:43:21 AM
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I am making month by month video timelines of the main events in street skateboarding history from the 1980s and 1990s.
Here is 1989 month by month:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline89:1
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/jJlVkP8pHZsY_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline89:1)
Here is 1990:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline90:4
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/zNX6oxdXi63r_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline90:4)
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This is a really cool project and props for using BitChute over YouTube.
How did you source the dates for when the footage was filmed, rather than released? Must've taken some deep research.
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I didn't remember the Valley deck was back in 89 although many people I knew skated it. I remember skating across town to see Rubbish Heap. I'm fucking old 👀
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Im glad this started off with Frank Hill
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Very cool.
Between projects like this and the NBD Archive on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/nbd_archive/ (https://www.instagram.com/nbd_archive/)), some folks are going to great efforts to figure this all out and track the many, many innovations in street skating in the 1990s. Awesome.
But, I would so appreciate this information being available in a searchable format. While not as aesthetically pleasing or fun to watch as video clips, it would be great to just be able to look some of these innovations up without having to comb through comments and interviews and such. I really hope the folks going to all this trouble to edit these videos are actually recording the data as well.
But still, fun videos. Great job and keep them coming.
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This is awesome great idea
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Kudos to you.
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Im glad this started off with Frank Hill
first, to GMann, this is a truly noble endeavor, and respect for taking it on.
i haven't had a chance to look yet, but You's comment here, has me wondering if inevitably a lot of "street skateboarding history" is being overlooked, because for some of us "street skaters," Frankie Hill was a bit down the line historically.
not sure how you're determining a starting point for this history, but if the ollie is a criterion for mapping the earliest points of street skating, Vision's NSA videos at Oceanside were formative for some of us--dare i say--first generation street skaters. specifically Mark Gonzales' parts--in the first one, him ollieing to axle stall on the seat of that picnic table at the end of his run, was a serious historical event in street skating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72sAUG5eRgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_aDl5T7PF0
there weren't many "video" videos just yet, so if you were a "street skater" at this early time, and wanted to ollie and do other early incarnations of modern street skating, these videos were where you looked for stoke.
same with the original Savanah Slamma and/or the Ohio Skateout--it really was mainly Mark Gonzales and a couple of others, making shit up quicker than the mags could even name the tricks (for instance, Gonz 180 ollie to fakie 50-50 at Ohio skateout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KOl_txKQXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHODpvbp1xk&t=105s
of course, "Sick Boys" was significant as well, and Julien Stranger's front board's on that Mission handrail were absolutely a "main event in street skateboarding history."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzx5Ji3Yyas
apologies, if i'm carrying on like some old dude, and you may not have intended to go this far back anyway, since "skate videos" devoted to street skating weren't completely a thing yet...
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I am making month by month video timelines of the main events in street skateboarding history from the 1980s and 1990s.
Here is 1989 month by month:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jJlVkP8pHZsY/
Here is 1990:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zNX6oxdXi63r/
Great stuff. Thanks for doing this. Post new the new videos up here when you upload them.
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Thanks for the positive feedback everyone.
How did you source the dates for when the footage was filmed, rather than released? Must've taken some deep research.
Mainly from interviews and the thrasher archive. Certain people are very meticulous with dates, such as Mike Vallely, Socrates Leal, and Jacob Rosenberg. So the content is somewhat slanted to stuff those people were involved with.
Sometimes tricks from a video part are released early in a magazine ad, so you can kind of assume that was close to the date it was actually done, or sometimes its a different trick, but the same outfit at the same spot as in the video part.
Thrasher issues were consistently released 3 months early, so for example an April issue was released in January. And this can be confirmed on a case by case basis by looking at the contest results and upcoming events section.
Some of the dates are approximate but should be right give or take 1 month.
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This is one of the best ideas I've seen in a while. I hope you have time to continue with the project. I'm sure you could recruit some people to do the month-by-month research and save you some legwork.
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Im glad this started off with Frank Hill
first, to GMann, this is a truly noble endeavor, and respect for taking it on.
i haven't had a chance to look yet, but You's comment here, has me wondering if inevitably a lot of "street skateboarding history" is being overlooked, because for some of us "street skaters," Frankie Hill was a bit down the line historically.
not sure how you're determining a starting point for this history, but if the ollie is a criterion for mapping the earliest points of street skating, Vision's NSA videos at Oceanside were formative for some of us--dare i say--first generation street skaters. specifically Mark Gonzales' parts--in the first one, him ollieing to axle stall on the seat of that picnic table at the end of his run, was a serious historical event in street skating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72sAUG5eRgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_aDl5T7PF0
there weren't many "video" videos just yet, so if you were a "street skater" at this early time, and wanted to ollie and do other early incarnations of modern street skating, these videos were where you looked for stoke.
same with the original Savanah Slamma and/or the Ohio Skateout--it really was mainly Mark Gonzales and a couple of others, making shit up quicker than the mags could even name the tricks (for instance, Gonz 180 ollie to fakie 50-50 at Ohio skateout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KOl_txKQXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHODpvbp1xk&t=105s
of course, "Sick Boys" was significant as well, and Julien Stranger's front board's on that Mission handrail were absolutely a "main event in street skateboarding history."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzx5Ji3Yyas
apologies, if i'm carrying on like some old dude, and you may not have intended to go this far back anyway, since "skate videos" devoted to street skating weren't completely a thing yet...
idk I feel like “streetstyle” and “street skatin” are kinda different. Imo Frank was first “hesh” street skater in the modern sense. No doubt Gonz, Natas, Blender, and Lance were shreddin streets first but Hill was straight huckin.
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idk I feel like “streetstyle” and “street skatin” are kinda different. Imo Frank was first “hesh” street skater in the modern sense. No doubt Gonz, Natas, Blender, and Lance were shreddin streets first but Hill was straight huckin.
i totally get this, and these kinds of designations can seem pretty arbitrary at times--as i mentioned above, if a kind of early-modern street-skating based upon the ollie is going to be a starting point, you definitely have to go further back than Frankie Hill.
if plain "hucking" is one end of the historical trajectory, then Hill is one of them for sure. did you happen to watch the Ohio Skateout video? if not, watch the last minute or so--Mark Gonzales' 180 to fakie 50-50 down the contest handrail was absolutely mind-blowing and game-changing at that point, and would still be gnarly today.
Hill was important, but in a very fleeting way, which i guess is all the more reason to document him in this history. the way i understand it, he didn't roll away from a lot of things, which is why his parts are edited the way they are, but i could be wrong--not sure if that has anything to do with what we're talking about here.
edit: i'm too busy (and lazy) right now to do the research myself, but i'm sure a number of these points in time overlap in ways as well. also, to really get an idea of how far ahead of everyone else Mark Gonzales was, watch some of the other skaters--for instance, at that second Oceanside contest, he falls on a number of things, but they're all ollie tricks, including a kickflip, a backtail (stall), and ollieing over an oil drum...
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first, to GMann, this is a truly noble endeavor, and respect for taking it on.
i haven't had a chance to look yet, but You's comment here, has me wondering if inevitably a lot of "street skateboarding history" is being overlooked, because for some of us "street skaters," Frankie Hill was a bit down the line historically.
not sure how you're determining a starting point for this history, but if the ollie is a criterion for mapping the earliest points of street skating, Vision's NSA videos at Oceanside were formative for some of us--dare i say--first generation street skaters. specifically Mark Gonzales' parts--in the first one, him ollieing to axle stall on the seat of that picnic table at the end of his run, was a serious historical event in street skating:
Man I am totally with you Deputy. However the hard part is reconstructing the dates for each important moment.
I originally wanted to start with 1988, but Thrasher magazine is so focused on Vert in 1988 that it is hard to get any precise dates for what was going on.
From my notes for 1988 all I have is:
"October 1988 - Public Domain is released and Jason lee is on SMA Rocco division."
Even the first half of 1989 was hard to do, really it is only because of Mike Vallely's "Street Plant" website and youtube channel that I was able to get many dates by month for early 1989 because Thrasher is still mainly focused on the vert scene.
But yes 1988 and 1987 could be added later if the research is available, and if anyone can contribute any research on a month by month basis, I'd be happy to incorporate it.
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This is awesome. Please keep making these.
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Very cool.
Between projects like this and the NBD Archive on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/nbd_archive/ (https://www.instagram.com/nbd_archive/)), some folks are going to great efforts to figure this all out and track the many, many innovations in street skating in the 1990s. Awesome.
But, I would so appreciate this information being available in a searchable format. While not as aesthetically pleasing or fun to watch as video clips, it would be great to just be able to look some of these innovations up without having to comb through comments and interviews and such. I really hope the folks going to all this trouble to edit these videos are actually recording the data as well.
But still, fun videos. Great job and keep them coming.
yeah, i'm jonesing for a data dork to log all the nbd instagram stuff and make some kind of browsable graph / family tree / timeline that links through to clips and stories that are relevant.
I also just want a chronological list of every skate video.
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Hmm, these don't load for me. Just some bouncing red lines.
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1989 one will play for me but the 1990 one wont
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Had to turn off ad blocker for the site to load
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also, to really get an idea of how far ahead of everyone else Mark Gonzales was, watch some of the other skaters--for instance, at that second Oceanside contest, he falls on a number of things, but they're all ollie tricks, including a kickflip, a backtail (stall), and ollieing over an oil drum...
I'd argue that Natas Kaupas was the first progressive "street-style" skater, more so than Mark Gonzales.
The September 1984 issue of Thrasher had a street-style sequences section, and Natas was the only one featured who did an ollie trick, Blender, Lucero et al were doing no-complys, boneless variations. And Natas is on the cover doing a wall ride thing, which is such a break from the past, if you can ride walls you can ride anything. And this is on a board with 9" trucks, big wheels, copers, and rails, must have weighed a ton. This is before they were all street pros, Gonz isn't featured, and Tommy Guerrero is in a freestyle comp in the mag. https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/september-1984/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/september-1984/)
And moving on a couple of years, at Sacto comp, it's Natas who is doing ollie variations, and trying to boardslide the car, presaging the future, while Mark goes for a more traditional roll on the car bonnet. Not that I'm arguing that Gonz is anyway overrated, but Natas was there too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zEE3FC7kQ
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also, to really get an idea of how far ahead of everyone else Mark Gonzales was, watch some of the other skaters--for instance, at that second Oceanside contest, he falls on a number of things, but they're all ollie tricks, including a kickflip, a backtail (stall), and ollieing over an oil drum...
I'd argue that Natas Kaupas was the first progressive "street-style" skater, more so than Mark Gonzales.
The September 1984 issue of Thrasher had a street-style sequences section, and Natas was the only one featured who did an ollie trick, Blender, Lucero et al were doing no-complys, boneless variations. And Natas is on the cover doing a wall ride thing, which is such a break from the past, if you can ride walls you can ride anything. And this is on a board with 9" trucks, big wheels, copers, and rails, must have weighed a ton. This is before they were all street pros, Gonz isn't featured, and Tommy Guerrero is in a freestyle comp in the mag. https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/september-1984/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/september-1984/)
And moving on a couple of years, at Sacto comp, it's Natas who is doing ollie variations, and trying to boardslide the car, presaging the future, while Mark goes for a more traditional roll on the car bonnet. Not that I'm arguing that Gonz is anyway overrated, but Natas was there too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zEE3FC7kQ
I reckon Gonz would agree.
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also, to really get an idea of how far ahead of everyone else Mark Gonzales was, watch some of the other skaters--for instance, at that second Oceanside contest, he falls on a number of things, but they're all ollie tricks, including a kickflip, a backtail (stall), and ollieing over an oil drum...
I'd argue that Natas Kaupas was the first progressive "street-style" skater, more so than Mark Gonzales.
The September 1984 issue of Thrasher had a street-style sequences section, and Natas was the only one featured who did an ollie trick, Blender, Lucero et al were doing no-complys, boneless variations. And Natas is on the cover doing a wall ride thing, which is such a break from the past, if you can ride walls you can ride anything. And this is on a board with 9" trucks, big wheels, copers, and rails, must have weighed a ton. This is before they were all street pros, Gonz isn't featured, and Tommy Guerrero is in a freestyle comp in the mag. https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/september-1984/ (https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/september-1984/)
And moving on a couple of years, at Sacto comp, it's Natas who is doing ollie variations, and trying to boardslide the car, presaging the future, while Mark goes for a more traditional roll on the car bonnet. Not that I'm arguing that Gonz is anyway overrated, but Natas was there too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zEE3FC7kQ
I reckon Gonz would agree.
i do to, and i agree with you 606, Natas was absolutely right there too--i figure (and i've read) that those two were essentially feeding off of each other's creativity at that point.
the fact that they were pushing things is exactly why they'd fall so much and place low at a lot of those contests--heads like Christian would win by just doing methods and g-turns, while Gonz and Natas (and a couple of others perhaps) were creating an early-modern form of street-skating based on the ollie.
and both of the Sacto contests were definitely important too, thanks for putting that up.
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Just finished 1991, wow what a year! Its a little bit longer than the last 2 because there was a huge amount of progression:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/SkateTimeline91:f
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/5Yu7KczCRBIsLWVNvbk8udPO_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/SkateTimeline91:f)
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What a crazy fuckin year
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Here is 1992:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding-1992:8
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/aeQU63d9bHjb_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding-1992:8)
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1993:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1993:8
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/h4F3F8GOdSLq_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1993:8)
Similar to 1991 in that the end of the year is very different from the start in terms of the evolution of the style and culture of skateboarding.
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these are great - thank you
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Just found this thread, and holy shit. Dude, this is awesome.
Thank you for putting this together.
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So good. Thanks for the walk down memory lane
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Fantastic. I can't wait for 1994!
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Legendary to see an archived chronicle of street skating. This, combined with Evan Hay's commentary review of Vinnie Bahn Dr. Bahn, has made for a great week of content
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I never knew STREET LEAGUE WAS AROUND IN THE 1980S. THAT GONZ RUN SCORED A 8.9 WHICH IS GREAT FOR BACK THEN. I HEARD GAY USED TO SUCK MAD DICKS BACK THEN
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Hmm, these don't load for me. Just some bouncing red lines.
Try going back on your browser and then go back in again. Then it should load.
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1994, the year of khaki pants, stone washed jeans, and big flips over trash cans, tables, and blocks.
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1994:4
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/YijXDA7NVONr_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1994:4)
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thank you. that McNatt footage is gold
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Wow. I never realized how saturated 1994 is with switch mongo pushes.
Especially when both Eastern Exposure 2 and Sub Zero Real Life aren't included.
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first, to GMann, this is a truly noble endeavor, and respect for taking it on.
i haven't had a chance to look yet, but You's comment here, has me wondering if inevitably a lot of "street skateboarding history" is being overlooked, because for some of us "street skaters," Frankie Hill was a bit down the line historically.
not sure how you're determining a starting point for this history, but if the ollie is a criterion for mapping the earliest points of street skating, Vision's NSA videos at Oceanside were formative for some of us--dare i say--first generation street skaters. specifically Mark Gonzales' parts--in the first one, him ollieing to axle stall on the seat of that picnic table at the end of his run, was a serious historical event in street skating:
Man I am totally with you Deputy. However the hard part is reconstructing the dates for each important moment.
I originally wanted to start with 1988, but Thrasher magazine is so focused on Vert in 1988 that it is hard to get any precise dates for what was going on.
From my notes for 1988 all I have is:
"October 1988 - Public Domain is released and Jason lee is on SMA Rocco division."
Even the first half of 1989 was hard to do, really it is only because of Mike Vallely's "Street Plant" website and youtube channel that I was able to get many dates by month for early 1989 because Thrasher is still mainly focused on the vert scene.
But yes 1988 and 1987 could be added later if the research is available, and if anyone can contribute any research on a month by month basis, I'd be happy to incorporate it.
Good news Deputy Wendell
After further research, I have found plenty of dates for 1988. So I am going to now work on 1988 as the next video. I was unable to find a date for that 1988 Ohio Skateout contest you posted (surprisingly it was not reported in Thrasher) so unfortunately that will not be included, unless someone else knows the date....
But on the plus side, I have found footage and precise monthly dates for at least 3 other cool street contests in 1988: 1) Munster, 2) Savanna Slamma II, and 3) the first SF Civic Center Contest (in 88' it was called "Disco in Frisco" but in later years it was called the "Back to the City" contest) So there will be plenty of contest footage.
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For your viewing pleasure, here is 1987:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline87FixUp2:9
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/6cYkEs8RyQnE_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline87FixUp2:9)
The height of the jump ramp era. The summer of 1987 also saw the first frontside boardslides down handrails by two skaters: Julian Stranger in San Francisco, that would end up in the 1988 video release "Sick Boys" and Mark Gonzalez in the August Savanna Slamma competition. A few months later Gonz films another one in the streets of New York City.
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1988
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/timeline88c:e
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/PVoPx6NI9x9D_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/timeline88c:e)
1988 sees the rise of young street skaters, mainly amateurs, trying out many of the tricks invented by freestyle skater Rodney Mullen on street boards for the first time. Tricks like 360 flip (by Steve Ortega), double kickflip (by Ron Allen), kickflip manual (by Ray Barbee), kickflip 50-50 (by both Frankie Hill and Ray Barbee), and kickflips over gaps and stairs (by Frankie Hill) are filmed for the first time.
Meanwhile the competition circuit is still being dominated by the older established pros from the launch ramp era, such as Christian Hosoi and the Bones Brigade.
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88 is a great year. I was watching that Streetskating with Rob and Natas tape today
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1995
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1995:b
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/VnjSgGCLUiEv_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1995:b)
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1996
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1996:6
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/p62YUxGUhxMP_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1996:6)
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1986
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline86a-1:e
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/xwy0Th7vPGz5_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Timeline86a-1:e)
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Hi everybody,
So far I have completed 11 month by month timeline videos of skateboarding history from 1986-1996. Unfortunately my principal source for accurate month by month dates was the Thrasher Magazine archive, which is only available until early 1997. So in order to continue the project I need help funding the purchase of old skateboard magazines from 1997 onwards. Most of these are available on Ebay and are usually priced around $10-$25 each. So the resources I need to continue each year of the project will typically be about $200-$250 per video. Any donations to allow this project to continue would be greatly appreciated and can be made here:
https://ko-fi.com/mid90s
Alternatively if someone actually has old skateboard magazines, they could scan them and email them to me. Send me a message on here and I will provide my email address.
In the meantime, on my bitchute channel I have quite a few other skateboard videos that you cannot find on youtube or that have had some of the soundtracks blocked by youtube:
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/mid90s/
Thanks and I hope you all continue to enjoy the videos.
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I am copying all the videos over to my Odysee.com channel, Odysee is a more reliable platform, all of the history timeline videos are there along with a lot of other skate videos not on youtube:
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory
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This is fucking sick! Thank you
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1997
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1997
(https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/pZDldQknZ36M/3IA3AZsb5qyP_640x360.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1997)
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Fuck yeah. First time seeing this project. Thanks!
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1998
In 1998 technical skateboarding made a comeback with skaters like Peter Smolik, Dave Mayhew, and Rob Welsh bringing back into fashion tricks like flips out of tailslides that had been pioneered in the early 90s.
https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1998:5
(https://lbry2.vanwanet.com/speech/785a18d6cd77aab7:9.jpg) (https://odysee.com/@SkateboardingHistory:6/Skateboarding1998:5)