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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: tom on September 22, 2020, 12:08:59 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CFbfmUZAbrA/?igshid=1iw24tdmap3h
(https://i.ibb.co/DL5cFSW/6-DE7-E9-FE-CC9-E-40-CF-888-F-65-A51-BCE4-E60.png)
Maybe I’m late to the party and it’s been brought up before? Maybe Ishod replaced his kingpin? Maybe Thunder is getting in the downlow kingpin game and coming out with a redesigned truck too?
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Judging by the colour of the bushings they look like hollow light ii's with different kingpin.
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Judging by the colour of the bushings they look like hollow light ii's with different kingpin.
those baseplates look kinda tall for forged...might just be me
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Judging by the colour of the bushings they look like hollow light ii's with different kingpin.
They look cast to me, not much real estate to play with inside the forged for nut and pin if you tighten them past the nylock.
I know from personal pain getting krux dl's in there. Stoked for the resurgence of inverted kingpins.
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I posted in truck set up thread last night from ishod’s story. As others mentioned.. how about the baseplate extension.
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He's using riserpads?
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Nah
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Jah ah!
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Clear risers
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I've put the krux downlow kingpins in my thunders for a few years now. They work great. I'll be happy if I never have to knock another stock kingpin out again.
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looks like barrel bushings too
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huh he is actually using 1/8" risers. first video it looked like a shadow
(https://i.ibb.co/56JX5rY/image.png) (https://ibb.co/56JX5rY)
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Judging by the colour of the bushings they look like hollow light ii's with different kingpin.
I know from personal pain getting krux dl's in there. Stoked for the resurgence of inverted kingpins.
Cast for sure:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sU4A-KCbp9nO2eDhGWjRNwniYrsUw2aUofyQPLaCWu1P5uGIO_CShE21_Bmzz0_kH-YVDwr_8zb9sFoZz4DB01Ee7IaaWHN6ksll1Zr_W1e4vpKXRekKRZ4FuVCk48hDGsp_q2RI34Q)
The forged plates are too low to support standard nuts for an inverted pin.
The finish looks different (lighting?); depending on what method they went with they might have had to make a different mold in order to hold onto the nut/sleeve they're using for the inverted pin, unless they just used a sleeve/nut with more meat on it as the cast thunder plates are almost capable of holding onto a regular nut..but at that point why not tweak the plate length...but maybe those risers stick out helping the baseplate slide issue :P (I kid)...or they're needed to keep the nut from digging into the deck ;)
looks like barrel bushings too
Conicals with a small washer on the bottom.
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inverted kingpins on their way to being the norm?
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inverted kingpins on their way to being the norm?
Seems like it...Krux been doing it for years....and now that indy jumped on it (presumably due to making a mid, they needed a lower pin) so now Thunder has to play catch-up...Team Venture next up!
Thing is they're all custom parts (even krux) as I've searched for years for stock shit that would do this.
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he's been using risers for a while actually, you can see it in his stories and lots of videos.
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inverted kingpins on their way to being the norm?
Big difference now is that they are using a threaded insert in the baseplate (ala G&S 1990) vs a regular nylock nut.
The nylock nut wouldn't provide enough resistance to side to side movement of the kingpin. Royals rattled like hell. I tried the Krux in a number of trucks and they never felt quite solid.
Indy mid, next version of Krux and I hear this thunder all have threaded inserts.
(I was riding G&S in 1990 and still have two sets)
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These look great but I have to admit I kind of enjoy destroying my kingpins as I grind down my trucks.
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These look great but I have to admit I kind of enjoy destroying my kingpins as I grind down my trucks.
You'll still be able to, it will just take a bit longer ;)
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inverted kingpins on their way to being the norm?
Big difference now is that they are using a threaded insert in the baseplate (ala G&S 1990) vs a regular nylock nut.
The nylock nut wouldn't provide enough resistance to side to side movement of the kingpin. Royals rattled like hell. I tried the Krux in a number of trucks and they never felt quite solid.
Indy mid, next version of Krux and I hear this thunder all have threaded inserts.
(I was riding G&S in 1990 and still have two sets)
Could you post pics of what it looks like under the baseplates where the inserts are?
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This was what was told to me a few weeks back albeit Jim T. Changes are coming to Thunder's and I'm hyped for it
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Could you post pics of what it looks like under the baseplates where the inserts are?
I saw a pic somewhere last month, but cant find it now. They pretty much look like Powell Rat Nuts.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/quMAAOSw8j1dM3Bi/s-l400.jpg)
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I am not sure if these are 1/8 risers, maybe 2mm polycarbonate as he might took some inspiration from the thread here :)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3349885#msg3349885
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I am not sure if these are 1/8 risers, maybe 2mm polycarbonate as he might took some inspiration from the thread here :)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3349885#msg3349885
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/1832/9147/products/827059008227-1.1569963293_600x.jpg?v=1596827760)
https://exodusrideshop.com/products/pig-piles-1-8-shock-skateboard-riser-pads-clear?gclid=CjwKCAjwwab7BRBAEiwAapqpTNWDrP1ZTUIBjio_V2PjDLrZ4mQFFFk0IGFc1PLkJupOSo0oI19kRhoC7TMQAvD_BwE (https://exodusrideshop.com/products/pig-piles-1-8-shock-skateboard-riser-pads-clear?gclid=CjwKCAjwwab7BRBAEiwAapqpTNWDrP1ZTUIBjio_V2PjDLrZ4mQFFFk0IGFc1PLkJupOSo0oI19kRhoC7TMQAvD_BwE)
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damn those look good. definitely will try a pair when they pop up. though I also like to destroy my kingpin nut from grinds. really satisfying when it turns into an unturnable blob.
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Could you post pics of what it looks like under the baseplates where the inserts are?
I saw a pic somewhere last month, but cant find it now. They pretty much look like Powell Rat Nuts.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/quMAAOSw8j1dM3Bi/s-l400.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xOw6E8Jl.jpg)
pulled some old grind king nut inserts out of my gear bin.
looks like indy is going with something along this style based on the various insta shots.
@backinaction.... not sure if this is what you're thinking of, but i posted this pic over in the indy mids thread.
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If Ace did this with their purported forged trucks coming eventually, it would be next level shit.
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Still like the look of how krux' drops into the washer but I'm sure these will work fine. If there's a truck that needs clearance it's thunders....so much less truck....im OK with the cast....drop these into team hollows... Psyched...
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This was what was told to me a few weeks back albeit Jim T. Changes are coming to Thunder's and I'm hyped for it
Baseplate changes maybe??
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(https://i.imgur.com/bKOOCIe.jpg)
Thunder's new baseplate cavity will now secure a locknut for inverted kingpins, so no more spinning.
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(https://i.imgur.com/bKOOCIe.jpg)
Thunder's new baseplate cavity will now secure a locknut for inverted kingpins, so no more spinning.
yeah the newer thunders have these baseplates opposed to the square one from before.
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I’ve been holding out on switching to Venture hoping that they’ll be running DL’s next drop.
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(https://i.imgur.com/bKOOCIe.jpg)
Thunder's new baseplate cavity will now secure a locknut for inverted kingpins, so no more spinning.
Do they extend a bit now?
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Do they extend a bit now?
Just checked, and they don't. Same as before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Do they extend a bit now?
Just checked, and they don't. Same as before ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ventures it is. At least I won’t have truck madness!
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i saw these baseplates with a shorter king pin.. the bottom of the kingpin is flush with the base plate...thunder will probably release a kingpin soon
(https://i.imgur.com/OAbG6pr.jpg)
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I prayed to the truck gods and they answered(https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png)
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LOL bet lots of people will be looking up "how to remove a kingpin"
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So there will now be more kingpin clearance on future Thunder batches? Need more pics!
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147s with more clearance and extended baseplate let’s gooooo. But I’ll still continue to ride em anyways so whatever.
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
I never really understood the hardware issue with ventures, I’ve had many sets both his and los and never had an issue tightening my bolts. I haven’t tried cast tho
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
The Spitfire or Silver tool are skinny enough to reach the bolts on Ventures.
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
I never really understood the hardware issue with ventures, I’ve had many sets both his and los and never had an issue tightening my bolts. I haven’t tried cast tho
If you do it the proper way (holding the bolt from the bit side, spinning the nut to tighten (the grip doesn't twist this way)), then you will know what a pain Ventures are to mount. Especially if you are using power tools.
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The Spitfire or Silver tool are skinny enough to reach the bolts on Ventures.
DLX would be stupid to design a tool that didn't work on their own trucks. A standard socket wrench will fit on any truck. Except Venture. You shouldn't need a special tool to tighten a 3/8" nut.
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
I never really understood the hardware issue with ventures, I’ve had many sets both his and los and never had an issue tightening my bolts. I haven’t tried cast tho
If you do it the proper way (holding the bolt from the bit side, spinning the nut to tighten (the grip doesn't twist this way)), then you will know what a pain Ventures are to mount. Especially if you are using power tools.
Power tools are unnecessary as hell for setting up skateboards, you’re asking for stripped hardware and pressure cracks. Either throw an extension on a socket wrench or use an open ended wrench to tighten the harder to reach nuts, problem solved
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
I never really understood the hardware issue with ventures, I’ve had many sets both his and los and never had an issue tightening my bolts. I haven’t tried cast tho
If you do it the proper way (holding the bolt from the bit side, spinning the nut to tighten (the grip doesn't twist this way)), then you will know what a pain Ventures are to mount. Especially if you are using power tools.
Power tools are unnecessary as hell for setting up skateboards, you’re asking for stripped hardware and pressure cracks. Either throw an extension on a socket wrench or use an open ended wrench to tighten the harder to reach nuts, problem solved
open ended wrench sucks still! I have that unit tool. pretty generic design multiple companies use and it’s a pain.
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Like thunders except the wheelbite. Will these new ones wheelbite less?
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I'm edging right now with these cliffhanger new thunder updates.
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Do they extend a bit now?
I so wish Thunder would fix that obtuse design. DLX just can't seem to make a normal baseplate. Thunder is too short. Ventures have the holes too far under the hanger to get a decent tool on. This shouldn't be so difficult.
I've loved being on a set of Thunder that I DIY'd with inverted kinpin these past couple years. The only downside has been my noseslides.
Even if this inverted one comes out, if they don't extend their baseplate by the time I'm off the sets of trucks I have in line after these, a set of Tensor ATG's to try and some Indy titaniums to fall back on, then I might have to go DIY and TIG weld some aluminum filler to that area on the baseplates to bump it out 3mm. That would be my perfect truck.
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I'm edging right now with these cliffhanger new thunder updates.
Me too. Shit like this makes me want to buy new Thunders. I fucking hate it (my perfectionism, not Thunders evolving in that direction).
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If Indy is any indication.....which it is.....they won't be great....
I'm skating krux down-lo's in team hollows and I think it's pretty much as good as it gets....
Already decided to make a very 'stable' left turn and skate ventures next....
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I dunno I'm all for innovation but I'm really happy with team 149s
Would be happy if they just left them alone.
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(https://i.imgur.com/bKOOCIe.jpg)
Thunder's new baseplate cavity will now secure a locknut for inverted kingpins, so no more spinning.
Do all thunders have the baseplate design like that? I’m wondering if the standards will have it because I prefer a standard of the mega light trucks.
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If Indy is any indication.....which it is.....they won't be great....
I'm skating krux down-lo's in team hollows and I think it's pretty much as good as it gets....
Already decided to make a very 'stable' left turn and skate ventures next....
The only issue is grinding down that allen hole and they you are totally fucked if you ever want to tweak, salvage bushings, etc. At least with a bolt you can still vice grip that shit off if you're lucky.
It's too bad so much depth is needed for the allen key to grab without stripping so they could make the hex portion thinner/lower.
After many an attempt I've given up on modding plates for the krux pins but will fuck with the ti mindys+krux pins.
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Any update on when these are coming out?
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I saw someone at my curb spot last night with a set of these. I think they're coming out soon.
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I've seen 2 pairs now- 1 in the wild and 1 in photos. They have different geo and the baseplate issue seems fixed.
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No way they are extending the baseplate? My truck madness will finally be resolved. Where did you get this info?
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I've seen 2 pairs now- 1 in the wild and 1 in photos. They have different geo and the baseplate issue seems fixed.
Damn, exciting
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this is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Does anyone have any updated photos of these?
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Anyone have any info about how the geometry is changing? Bringing wheelbase in? Better turn? And is the baseplate issue the whole catching on slides problem that many people have? I’m definitely curious as to what the changes are
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Yeah curious to see whatever happens, any which way.
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I cannot share photos. I didn't get details as to how the geo was changing just that they felt very loose.
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Oh shit. This is starting to sound good.
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I think I saw the new thunders in the wild? If they have that new baseplate design it means they're new right?
(https://system.costaldeanzuelos.com/assets/img/multimedia/14626214967/trucksthunderchrystienyc.webp)
If so here's links to more photos of them:
https://costaldeanzuelos.com/store/14626214967
https://www.wearedropouts.com.au/products/thunder-x-chrystie-trucks-team-edition
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nah those are just standard thunders. the new ones will look pretty different imo
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From looking over history of Thunder posts, it seems the hex head baseplate came out / was first posted here around mid 2020, so that design has been on all new Thunders for a while now.
For those who wanted the inverted kingpin option, at least they didn't have to JB weld the nut in place with that one, but I haven't seen anything since then apart from the special secret versions of trucks from Ishod or Ben DG or similar.
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nah those are just standard thunders. the new ones will look pretty different imo
Ah ok that makes a lot more sense, mb
From looking over history of Thunder posts, it seems the hex head baseplate came out / was first posted here around mid 2020, so that design has been on all new Thunders for a while now.
For those who wanted the inverted kingpin option, at least they didn't have to JB weld the nut in place with that one, but I haven't seen anything since then apart from the special secret versions of trucks from Ishod or Ben DG or similar.
Thanks for clarifying. So no actual geo change on those. Excited to see them eventually. Gonna be interesting to hear what people say if the baseplate stuff changes
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Thanks for clarifying. So no actual geo change on those. Excited to see them eventually. Gonna be interesting to hear what people say if the baseplate stuff changes
Yeah for sure.
On one hand it is a "No don't change a thing" from some people, but on the other hand, it is "About time they fixed them" from others, so depending on your perspective, it could be a very interesting situation all round.
Even looking at some older versions, they have definitely changed from when they had the Hi or Lo options, as well as the older 149ers when they first came out.
I keep meaning to take pics of these really old six hole baseplate Thunders I have, one set that are almost untouched with what the guy said had stock inverted kingpin from back in the day, of which I have never seen any exactly like it, but don't know how true that is, given the six hole baseplates were a thing more from around 1993 to about 1998, all still with hex kingpins anyway, they are definitely old and narrow for truck width.
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Thanks for clarifying. So no actual geo change on those. Excited to see them eventually. Gonna be interesting to hear what people say if the baseplate stuff changes
Yeah for sure.
On one hand it is a "No don't change a thing" from some people, but on the other hand, it is "About time they fixed them" from others, so depending on your perspective, it could be a very interesting situation all round.
Even looking at some older versions, they have definitely changed from when they had the Hi or Lo options, as well as the older 149ers when they first came out.
I keep meaning to take pics of these really old six hole baseplate Thunders I have, one set that are almost untouched with what the guy said had stock inverted kingpin from back in the day, of which I have never seen any exactly like it, but don't know how true that is, given the six hole baseplates were a thing more from around 1993 to about 1998, all still with hex kingpins anyway, they are definitely old and narrow for truck width.
I would be hyped to see these.
I’ve been skating inverted (kreper) kingpin thunders this year, and it’s a nice combo. I have the cast plate with the updated nut holder and that works pretty well
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I keep meaning to take pics of these really old six hole baseplate Thunders I have, one set that are almost untouched with what the guy said had stock inverted kingpin from back in the day, of which I have never seen any exactly like it, but don't know how true that is, given the six hole baseplates were a thing more from around 1993 to about 1998, all still with hex kingpins anyway, they are definitely old and narrow for truck width.
I would be hyped to see these.
I’ve been skating inverted (kreper) kingpin thunders this year, and it’s a nice combo. I have the cast plate with the updated nut holder and that works pretty well
I cleaned out some stuff the other day, so knew exactly where they were.
Also took pics of the normal kingpin Thunders of the same period, as well as some Grind King with their standard assembly inverted kingpin for reference, so can post those as well.
Three pics of each, hopefully showing everything with enough detail.
The main thing I noted was there was still minimal clearance on these, similar clearance to the normal kingpin, whereas the Grind King trucks had ridiculous clearance.
(https://i.ibb.co/56zrfdw/Thunder-vintage-inverted-kp-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/56zrfdw)
(https://i.ibb.co/b3JmtJd/Thunder-vintage-inverted-kp-02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b3JmtJd)
(https://i.ibb.co/NmRxY16/Thunder-vintage-inverted-kp-03.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmRxY16)
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From a search and this came up, which is probably one of the best DIY fixes of all.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3287436#msg3287436
FULL POST BELOW without quote so easier to see
So I got nerdy on some Thunder with a Grindking conversion. (Actually Krēpēr conversion technically?) A friend showed me the method, it involves installing a threaded 3/8-24 insert. You drill out the kingpin hole to a certain slightly larger size, thread it with a course tap for the teeth on the outside of the insert, and then epoxy set it. No need for a nut! Though you do have to put some threadlock liquid on the kingpin threads from time to time.
Been skating them for almost 2 years, favorite truck set-up I have skated. Clearance for days, even after hitting axle.
Thunder 149 Ti, switched to older cast baseplates early on, Krēpēr kingpin, recently replaced original shot bushings with Thunder 94a bushings and Riptide pivot cup.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49869113063_93dc0451cd_c.jpg)
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Adriano Fiore has a vid with Ben Degros, where he is skating IKP Thunder's. They just look like they have IKP, no extended baseplate or anything. But his pair might just be modded
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can these just come out ASAP and cure my truck madness already. or just make it worse it doesnt matter anymore i am in too deep
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can these just come out ASAP and cure my truck madness already. or just make it worse it doesnt matter anymore i am in too deep
I'm the opposite, I want these to come out 2 years from now so I can skate through some of my trucks and not feel like I'm missing out on something that might work for me.
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can these just come out ASAP and cure my truck madness already. or just make it worse it doesnt matter anymore i am in too deep
good point but personally I think I can only cure this disease if I get rid of all my trucks and force myself to stay on one set
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So in summary are we looking at:
inverted kingpin
new geo with a hanger set further in
looser turn
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Na, I dont think the geo's changed... This is a snap from Ben Degros board with trucks he is not suppose to talk about
(https://i.imgur.com/SNqnkHg.jpg)
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According to @LebowskisRug The geo might feel a little different...
A slightly higher Thunder with a deeper turn would be insane.
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I don’t think so….I think KP only….it’s possible I’ve stood on that board and didn’t notice much difference..,
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Good to know. I won't froth as much.
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So these 'new' Thunders just offer an 'inverted KP?"
No change to geo despite some reports?
No change to baseplate position/size?